I noticed this when I used them, you know what o did? Got good with a real gun; plasma cannon, won't touch nova knives till they get fixers.

i was thinking this too. its a rough reality, but i guess we have to.

If I recall correctly Wildman said there was going to be some fixes that improved nova knife hit detection in 1.5 maby it got pushed back?

You seem to have no problem with your grenades. Why would you need help with Nova Knives?

I agree with the OP. Until the nova knives get the love they deserve, my smg and exile assault rifle are my own two best friends for now. As for you, Patrick, we wouldn't resort to using grenades so much if the nova knives weren't so nerfed.

so you noticed? i heard that shotty gobang using grenades, so i skilled up to m1 to test how effective it was.

needless to say, its pretty effective, but i suck at aiming them
with nova knives how they ar

I felt kinda bad since he got me and left me with zero armor...

That's the thing isn't it? People like us got to you fair and square yet the system decides that we don't deserve any knifing kills and let's you get away unharmed.

with all due respect, if you don't use nova knives, then don't troll post in this thread. you can still post, but dont post crap like, "stop your QQing" or "get gud scrub."

anyway, as the title says, i'm a nova knifer looking for help. back before 1.4, i used to be so good with nova knives, but ever since, its just gone downhill...then i see awesome posts of people going like 35-2 with nova knives, which causes me to raise my head and think, "maybe nova knives still are useable."

the 2 biggest gripes for me are:

1. THE HIT DETECTION: seriously when it comes to any moving target its near impossible (at least for me) to get a hit that will actually register. its not that i'm missing, because i see the targets shields fluctuate, but no health goes down. this wasn't as much of a problem before, especially since you used to be able to sprint-charge. why they took that out is beyond me. i donnt have a problem with them removing that if THE HIT DETECTION WASN'T SO BAD. i swear, i used to love jumping into a crowd of reds with my knife bros and wreaking havoc then running for our lives (and actually being able to survive for more than a second.) can't do that anymore. earlier today i got killed by an assault rifle that did 600 damage to me in less than 2 seconds( i only have 300 health).

2. THE BACKPEDAL: again, how the hell do you deal with this now? they backpedal as fast as you walk forward, and when you finally get close enough to hit, the hit doesn't even ******* register. before, i used to jump behind them, while in mid air sprint-charge my knives, then run around a corner or something, then when they turn to kill me and try that backpedal BS, i hit them while i'm sprinting and they get good 900-1000 damage to their suit.

i've already lost nearly 10 mill isk trying to force myself to get good with them again. any help would be greatly appreciated, because i'm really losing hope for this game. i've been here since november and this is the first time i've said that. nova knives were the reason i played this game, and now i cant seem to use them anymore. i've tried the SG and i'm REALLY good with it, but i want to use nova knives. any advice, i mean ANY advice towards getting better with these is GREATLY appreciated.

I watched him undetected when he was using a scout suit. He ran behind the enemy team, put a nanohive on the ground, then started chucking grenades. The killfeed was spammed with core nade kills...

First... was I the one who killed you? I remember my last game before Downtime I killed someone who tried Nova Knifing me... I felt kinda bad since he got me and left me with zero armor... I kinda jumped back and shot him in the face after. I think he also had a Shotgun. Anyway I use my Nova Knives as a Sidearm for killing Hackers and Snipers so I can't give you any advice as a true Nova Knifer. Sorry. :3

Not really "unharmed" considering I got shot moments later. ;3 But I do see your point. Nova Knifing is hard enough without all the Hit Detection issues. They should bring back sprint charging. :P

I always think it's strange when people think Nova Knives are a direct combat weapon. Sure: you can charge at someone with NKs or jump into a flood of people and go happy hunting, but it's the same concept as using a Sniper as a direct combat weapon; you can do it, most of the time it doesn't work well and those who can use it as a combat weapon are simply masters of the art.

From my perspective, Nova Knives are a side-arm; not a light weapon, not a heavy weapon- a sidearm. Just like the Scrambler Pistol, Core Flaylock, and SMG, generally it's not the first choice when going into combat. Sidearms are situational weapons used to SUPPLEMENT the primary weapon, not be the primary weapon.

I actually haven't had hit detection problems with the Nova Knives. Why? Probably because I only use them to hit stationary targets.
Sniper? Nova Knives. Hacker? Nova Knives. Installation gunner? Nova Knives. Stationary enemy? Nova Knives.
Sprinting Assault in the middle of the road? NOT Nova Knives. Large group of enemies? NOT Nova Knives. Tank? NOT Nova Knives.

Nova Knives aren't supposed to be a weapon meant for mass murder; get an HMG if you want that. The first step to getting good with the NKs is to know the place and the appropriate time to use the NKs (and sidearms in general).

That is true but only to a certain extent.

If someone like me likes to ditch the guns completely and wants all targets (including those that move) to be killed with just the knives, then I should be able to do that. But only after I have mastered the art.

That's the thing about nova knives that sets them apart from the rest of the weapons. Sure, they are sidearms. But the nova knives are more than that. They are in a league of their own even when compared to the SMG, Flaylock and Scrambler pistols. At least with those weapons you have the advantage of distance. But with the nova knives, you don't have that advantage.

You have to be up close and personal. In their face and surprise them.

What makes them be in a league of their own is the fact that their use is an art. Like an musician playing an instrument for a symphony, the true potential of the instrument is not realized until it's in the hands of a master. Of course, a regular musician can still play, but not as good as the master. Unfortunately, right now that instrument is like a violin that has a string that is out of tune. Like a dented flute, the air in the woodwind is not moving correctly as it should. And the reed in the obo is not vibrating right. Those defects will need to be addressed first before the instrument can be able to play the most beautiful music in the world.

Those defects have already been discussed in another thread:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1360569#post1360569

We're not saying that the nova knives should enable an average player to kill whole hordes on their own. On the contrary, almost all of us ninjas want the knives to still be somewhat useful to an average player just like how you used them as you described. But they should also have the ability to truly shine in the hands of a professional who is more than willing to suffer heavy losses just for the sake of the challenge and the thrill it brings to them.

And that is the ultimate challenge for us ninjas. To be able to run into a dark room filled with enemy mercs and kill everyone in it yet still walk out alive with but a sliver of armor left but only after months of dedicated training. Constantly losing expensive suits day and night perfecting our techniques and learning from our mistakes. Only then can the challenge truly be satisfying when complete.

Hell, back in 1.3, almost no one complained. There was one guy who QQ'ed about it but even those who were victims of the knives put him down like a dog. For a long time I waiting for someone to send me hate mail accusing me of being a cheater. But instead I saw something amazing. Every one of our victims saluted us. They saluted those who killed with the knives because to those victims it was super rare to see a knifer kill effectively with just that one weapon throughout the whole match. All other knifers who failed and died didn't know what they were doing and thus were just easy pickings for the gun.

But now, in 1.4 and still in 1.5, even the masters feel powerless.

There is no challenge in killing a stationary target. No fun camping a few installations and maybe an objective throughout the whole match waiting for an unsuspecting target. No thrill in killing a stupid sniper who doesn't realize that he has to move after every shot. The real challenge, fun, and thrill is from taking on the horde and surviving. I miss those days already.

That is true but only to a certain extent.

If someone like me likes to ditch the guns completely and wants all targets (including those that move) to be killed with just the knives, then I should be able to do that. But only after I have mastered the art.

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But now, in 1.4 and still in 1.5, even the masters feel powerless.

There is no challenge in killing a stationary target. No fun camping a few installations and maybe an objective throughout the whole match waiting for an unsuspecting target. No thrill in killing a stupid sniper who doesn't realize that he has to move after every shot. The real challenge, fun, and thrill is from taking on the horde and surviving. I miss those days already.

OK; I understand your points and your reasoning.

I agree my statement is true to only a certain extent, like many other generalizations.

My response to the post was meant to act as a starting point for the OP. I'm not saying this is the only way to use the NKs, just tailoring the information presented to the request of the OP.

I have not experienced the detection issues, so I cannot really comment in that regard; however, I hope the bugs will be fixed so that my NK brethren may thrive once again.

I cannot completely agree with your final statement. I find it challenging to weave between enemy fire to assassinate a key target. Sure, I don't get everyone along the way, but removing the prime target (such as a hacker) and making it out alive is challenging, especially when there is a heavy around. Because of the frequency I use my NKs, I find every kill fun and thrilling; this is just a difference in preference and play style, though.

Best of luck and I appreciate the response; happy hunting! ^.^

In uprising I was killing it with knives an no gun, then they got worse an so did the way the game could be played with them.
Leaving the house now without, armor or armor reps is foolish. Now it's better to be sneakier an slower as long as you have full health reps built into ur suit. Using a two low slot suit is the problem now.
You need reps
Damps
Red an green
Shield reg

For a mini shields drop too fast, but gallente is too clunky to me to NK but awesome to sg.
Awareness has increased in the game because of paranoid skannerfrainia!
So it's not like before when you could bust 30 kill strictly knive games.

Now it's combinations of sneakiness .
Shotty
Bombs
Knives
Nades
An always a armor rep so you can continuously be at full health when you hide, remember lots of other suits have ewar now an ours is hardly better than theirs, then add hit detection an it's close to impossible if the hit doesn't land.
If you miss, SHOOT, don't be stubborn .
90% of the time if I have enough health I can win a face on attack only if we don't lose each other by them jumping.
If I'm close enough from the moment I'm spotted I sprint an quick slash, or I sg them or, I place a r/e, run to cut, if I miss I turn an run past my re, then I turn to shoot at them an walk them to my remote then BOOM

Armor is king now which means speed means nothing.
Your better off with a shield reg an arm rep on a mini, sg bombs , nades, knives, shields an a precision mod.
An knife in cities, leave knifing as a main weapon an bring a ranged gun on the big open maps
An attacking on a 45 angle works good

I don't have any way to be sure, but I'm told that the underlining problem is overlapping hit boxes. The best you can do right now is get the right range and angle so your not too close but still try to guarantee a hit - It's worked ok for me so far but not perfect.

I believe one solution offered was to add a lunge to the animation (thereby allowing to work outside the hitboxes) which should be interesting. I also hear there is a possibility for the distant future to have takedown animations.

Hope that helps, I know it isn't much

thanks for the help. i re ently had a match where i went 24-5 in a 10k dragonfly fit. i was using a SG, SMG, and M1 nades. ive been practicing cooking my nades to get insta boom and as of late, iv been doing REALLY good with this combo. i also keep a k-2 nanohive to stay full on nades and a basic plate and enhanced rep.