DUST Search - Nova Knifer Looking For Help

Samuel Zelik wrote:

I always think it's strange when people think Nova Knives are a direct combat weapon. Sure: you can charge at someone with NKs or jump into a flood of people and go happy hunting, but it's the same concept as using a Sniper as a direct combat weapon; you can do it, most of the time it doesn't work well and those who can use it as a combat weapon are simply masters of the art.

From my perspective, Nova Knives are a side-arm; not a light weapon, not a heavy weapon- a sidearm. Just like the Scrambler Pistol, Core Flaylock, and SMG, generally it's not the first choice when going into combat. Sidearms are situational weapons used to SUPPLEMENT the primary weapon, not be the primary weapon.

I actually haven't had hit detection problems with the Nova Knives. Why? Probably because I only use them to hit stationary targets.
Sniper? Nova Knives. Hacker? Nova Knives. Installation gunner? Nova Knives. Stationary enemy? Nova Knives.
Sprinting Assault in the middle of the road? NOT Nova Knives. Large group of enemies? NOT Nova Knives. Tank? NOT Nova Knives.

Nova Knives aren't supposed to be a weapon meant for mass murder; get an HMG if you want that. The first step to getting good with the NKs is to know the place and the appropriate time to use the NKs (and sidearms in general).


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Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4475	Posted - 2013.10.13 16:09:00 - [1] - Quote I agree with the OP. Until the nova knives get the love they deserve, my smg and exile assault rifle are my own two best friends for now. As for you, Patrick, we wouldn't resort to using grenades so much if the nova knives weren't so nerfed.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4475	Posted - 2013.10.13 17:51:00 - [2] - Quote Frost Kitty wrote: I felt kinda bad since he got me and left me with zero armor... That's the thing isn't it? People like us got to you fair and square yet the system decides that we don't deserve any knifing kills and let's you get away unharmed.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4475	Posted - 2013.10.13 21:26:00 - [3] - Quote Samuel Zelik wrote: I always think it's strange when people think Nova Knives are a direct combat weapon. Sure: you can charge at someone with NKs or jump into a flood of people and go happy hunting, but it's the same concept as using a Sniper as a direct combat weapon; you can do it, most of the time it doesn't work well and those who can use it as a combat weapon are simply masters of the art. From my perspective, Nova Knives are a side-arm; not a light weapon, not a heavy weapon- a sidearm. Just like the Scrambler Pistol, Core Flaylock, and SMG, generally it's not the first choice when going into combat. Sidearms are situational weapons used to SUPPLEMENT the primary weapon, not be the primary weapon. I actually haven't had hit detection problems with the Nova Knives. Why? Probably because I only use them to hit stationary targets. Sniper? Nova Knives. Hacker? Nova Knives. Installation gunner? Nova Knives. Stationary enemy? Nova Knives. Sprinting Assault in the middle of the road? NOT Nova Knives. Large group of enemies? NOT Nova Knives. Tank? NOT Nova Knives. Nova Knives aren't supposed to be a weapon meant for mass murder; get an HMG if you want that. The first step to getting good with the NKs is to know the place and the appropriate time to use the NKs (and sidearms in general). That is true but only to a certain extent. If someone like me likes to ditch the guns completely and wants all targets (including those that move) to be killed with just the knives, then I should be able to do that. But only after I have mastered the art. That's the thing about nova knives that sets them apart from the rest of the weapons. Sure, they are sidearms. But the nova knives are more than that. They are in a league of their own even when compared to the SMG, Flaylock and Scrambler pistols. At least with those weapons you have the advantage of distance. But with the nova knives, you don't have that advantage. You have to be up close and personal. In their face and surprise them. What makes them be in a league of their own is the fact that their use is an art. Like an musician playing an instrument for a symphony, the true potential of the instrument is not realized until it's in the hands of a master. Of course, a regular musician can still play, but not as good as the master. Unfortunately, right now that instrument is like a violin that has a string that is out of tune. Like a dented flute, the air in the woodwind is not moving correctly as it should. And the reed in the obo is not vibrating right. Those defects will need to be addressed first before the instrument can be able to play the most beautiful music in the world. Those defects have already been discussed in another thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1360569#post1360569 We're not saying that the nova knives should enable an average player to kill whole hordes on their own. On the contrary, almost all of us ninjas want the knives to still be somewhat useful to an average player just like how you used them as you described. But they should also have the ability to truly shine in the hands of a professional who is more than willing to suffer heavy losses just for the sake of the challenge and the thrill it brings to them. And that is the ultimate challenge for us ninjas. To be able to run into a dark room filled with enemy mercs and kill everyone in it yet still walk out alive with but a sliver of armor left but only after months of dedicated training. Constantly losing expensive suits day and night perfecting our techniques and learning from our mistakes. Only then can the challenge truly be satisfying when complete. Hell, back in 1.3, almost no one complained. There was one guy who QQ'ed about it but even those who were victims of the knives put him down like a dog. For a long time I waiting for someone to send me hate mail accusing me of being a cheater. But instead I saw something amazing. Every one of our victims saluted us. They saluted those who killed with the knives because to those victims it was super rare to see a knifer kill effectively with just that one weapon throughout the whole match. All other knifers who failed and died didn't know what they were doing and thus were just easy pickings for the gun. But now, in 1.4 and still in 1.5, even the masters feel powerless. There is no challenge in killing a stationary target. No fun camping a few installations and maybe an objective throughout the whole match waiting for an unsuspecting target. No thrill in killing a stupid sniper who doesn't realize that he has to move after every shot. The real challenge, fun, and thrill is from taking on the horde and surviving. I miss those days already.