LOL you're already doing it wrong. What the heck is a scout doing in a gunfight? That isn't its role on the battlefield. That's why scouts have low HP because they are...scouts. Scouts are deployed with the minimal for their own effectiveness.

A good scout lurks in the shadows and never go head on in confrontation. If you want that, you should be playing as an Assault player.

My Minnie Med runs .6m/s slower than my Scout.

With twice as much HP.

He can also use a Shotgun.

My Minnie Med runs .6m/s slower than my Scout.

With twice as much HP.

He can also use a Shotgun.

Get out.

How do you expect a Scout to Scout with 10m Scan Radius?

The same as every other dropsuit.

Dont say an Active Scanner, because Meds can also use that.

Meds can use a lot of things it doesn't mean other suits can't. If you don't like active scanners use modules that improve that.

And sacrifice my two Biotics in my lows?

Nope.

The most worthless role in DUST right now.

You may say that title belong to Dropships, but dropships have uses that no other class can match, like getting to high grounds.

What have Scouts got? Besides a fancy name.

We may strafe faster, but its minimal, and its useless in gunfights.

We may be able to speed tank, but, we trade a lot of HP to do so, whereas med frames can almost match our sprint, with twice, to three times our eHP.

We cant even Scout our Scan radius is the same as every other suit in the game.

Every thing we can do, it can be matched by almost every single other class in the game.

Making Scouts, the most useless role in DUST, hands down.

Dropships are in a bad position, but at least they've got some idea of where they're heading.

I know you've acknowledged that Scouts need some love, but we need to know what you plan on doing, and when you plan on doing it.

You can always convince a logy to use an active scanner with their position compromise try sneaking up on the reds. Scan dampers would really help against red active scanners.

Scouts do in fact need help, and as one I have good days with ratios of 1.5-3 and bad days of .8-1.2 ratios, its essentially a very unstable class and is entirely dependent on the fact that the enemy is not used to dealing with scouts but medium frames. Once this unfamiliarity wares off then we would be in more trouble.

I propose the following small changes

1)Scan Precision changed from 45 to 40
2)Scan Profile changed from 45 to 40
3)Scan Radius changed from 10 to 20
4)Speed Gap changed from .4+ to .7+
5)+1 Equipment Slot
6)Reduced Fall Damage
7)Improved Stamina Mechanics (since speed has an unofficial cap)
8) CPU/PG increase due to low slot count, might as well be more efficient with those slots


We also need functions that work to help us with entering/exiting hostile encounters, having an active scout module of cloaking would do just that. Also EWAR should be a scout only domain, which would make us negative logis would would be a unique role just for us.

My personal thoughts at any rate, I have more on what I think each should suit should do as well.

The most worthless role in DUST right now.

You may say that title belong to Dropships, but dropships have uses that no other class can match, like getting to high grounds.

What have Scouts got? Besides a fancy name.

We may strafe faster, but its minimal, and its useless in gunfights.

We may be able to speed tank, but, we trade a lot of HP to do so, whereas med frames can almost match our sprint, with twice, to three times our eHP.

We cant even Scout our Scan radius is the same as every other suit in the game.

Every thing we can do, it can be matched by almost every single other class in the game.

Making Scouts, the most useless role in DUST, hands down.

Dropships are in a bad position, but at least they've got some idea of where they're heading.

I know you've acknowledged that Scouts need some love, but we need to know what you plan on doing, and when you plan on doing it.

and i dont kno bout useless ... hardmode yes useless hell no

i think the op needs to go read some scouting how to's on these forums

and also read up on scan presicion vs scan radius


and i dont kno bout useless ... hardmode yes useless hell no



i went 33/11 with 2150 wp earlier and you call that useless
and all with std mini light frame and sg/ kn

bah useless
op go back to D-UNI

We are useless in the way that another role can do what we do, but better.

Calamity Jane and Anne Oakley proved how useless Scouts were, and still are.

i think the op needs to go read some scouting how to's on these forums

and also read up on scan presicion vs scan radius


and i dont kno bout useless ... hardmode yes useless hell no



i went 33/11 with 2150 wp earlier and you call that useless
and all with std mini light frame and sg/ kn

bah useless
op go back to D-UNI

LOL you're already doing it wrong. What the heck is a scout doing in a gunfight? That isn't its role on the battlefield. That's why scouts have low HP because they are...scouts. Scouts are deployed with the minimal for their own effectiveness.

A good scout lurks in the shadows and never go head on in confrontation. If you want that, you should be playing as an Assault player.

bah useless
op go back to D-UNI

Interesting choice of insult...

i think the op needs to go read some scouting how to's on these forums

and also read up on scan presicion vs scan radius


and i dont kno bout useless ... hardmode yes useless hell no



i went 33/11 with 2150 wp earlier and you call that useless
and all with std mini light frame and sg/ kn

bah useless
op go back to D-UNI

Here's the thing...

When some scouts mention their HPs, I laugh. I look at like this, a sniper and his spotter are deployed on the battlefield in a undisclosed location. They are the most vulnerable but yet the most deadly. They can demoralize the enemy for they can take out key personnel without their location spotted. Hiding in shadows, they create hysteria while providing significant intel to their allies. Scouts are to play the background, never the forefront.

Their effectiveness comes in that they are able to move at incredible speeds. Their defense is that shotty which protects them from hair raising situations.

Yes, everybody can use a scanner. But not everybody can traverse the battlefield as well as scouts.

It just seems like some scouts are trying to make the scout into something akin to a Assault/Scout class. That goes against the format of the scout. The scout is weak in general, but his power comes from lurking in shadows, communicating intel, preventing hacks, sneak and kill maneuvers and his low visibility on radar.

I don't know, I ran across some scouts that do that perfectly. I'm hacking and they drop me quickly. If I see one, they know to run for the hills for they are not equipped to take on any other classes dead on. He's looking to find cover and return to its obscurity. A scout's movements should be outside the battlefield while when it infiltrates, it shouldn't be anywhere near the reds. That's a death warrant.

So when I hear scouts complain about the roles, I often hear HP arguments, what other classes can do and such. You are defeating the purpose of the scout by your playstyle. If you wanted more HP, then you would be heavier, thus making you slower. Why else do Scout suits look like a little kid can fit into the dropsuit? You sacrifice HP for speed.

I agree with this 100%

However, we get jack crap for points doing this.

If they fix the scout the way I want, this is what will happen.

The gallente scout will use his passive scan to get behind enemy lines and to avoid contact. They are made to quickly hack objectives, and to cause havoc by eliminating lone wolves and sabotaging equipment.

The Minmatar scout will be a hit and run assassin. He will use his speed and dampening to get right behind the enemy, take out 2-3 targets QUICKLY and GTFO. They will harass the enemy by taking down lone wolves, and by causing squads to waste time by constantly watching their own backs.

Just my opinion.

intelligent things.

LOL you're already doing it wrong. What the heck is a scout doing in a gunfight? That isn't its role on the battlefield. That's why scouts have low HP because they are...scouts. Scouts are deployed with the minimal for their own effectiveness.

A good scout lurks in the shadows and never go head on in confrontation. If you want that, you should be playing as an Assault player.

actually while I do agree with you scouts kinda made a come back this last build. Since 1.4 every thing dies quick now but scouts can dodge enough to be wicked dangerous. If you notice there are more scouts on the field now then anything else. Unfortunately that's cause every thing else is broken not because the scout is fixed.

actually while I do agree with you scouts kinda made a come back this last build. Since 1.4 every thing dies quick now but scouts can dodge enough to be wicked dangerous. If you notice there are more scouts on the field now then anything else. Unfortunately that's cause every thing else is broken not because the scout is fixed.

LOL you're already doing it wrong. What the heck is a scout doing in a gunfight? That isn't its role on the battlefield. That's why scouts have low HP because they are...scouts. Scouts are deployed with the minimal for their own effectiveness.

A good scout lurks in the shadows and never go head on in confrontation. If you want that, you should be playing as an Assault player.

LOL you're already doing it wrong. What the heck is a scout doing in a gunfight? That isn't its role on the battlefield. That's why scouts have low HP because they are...scouts. Scouts are deployed with the minimal for their own effectiveness.

A good scout lurks in the shadows and never go head on in confrontation. If you want that, you should be playing as an Assault player.

I know I've stopped Dust but I'm still reading a little forum activity so should bandwidth come to me in a lost gale I can return, although there's not really a whole lot in Dust to make you want to return....


This guy made me sign in on the forums.

The fact of the matter is; what is there to do besides shoot?. Absolutely nothing. The scout is like a hemophiliac thrown into the boxing ring. The scout can't take much damage at all and it's intended role does not exist. There is nothing to recon in this game, nothing that can't be done by a medium frame that a scout does better. Not enough "shadows to lurk in", besides the fact that profile has no effect on LOS. There are no WarPoints awarded to scouts for evading detection or recon.

We can't fit scouts without weapons, and this game is so about Squads that it's rare to find stragglers. If you know so much about scouts please enlighten me with infinite tales of wisdom on what exactly a scout can do in this game that proves more effective and useful than a medium frame.

EDIT: Nowhere did I say that scouts aren't killing machines... it's just that the **** I quoted literally has no idea.

LOL you're already doing it wrong. What the heck is a scout doing in a gunfight? That isn't its role on the battlefield. That's why scouts have low HP because they are...scouts. Scouts are deployed with the minimal for their own effectiveness.

A good scout lurks in the shadows and never go head on in confrontation. If you want that, you should be playing as an Assault player.

The most worthless role in DUST right now.

You may say that title belong to Dropships, but dropships have uses that no other class can match, like getting to high grounds.

What have Scouts got? Besides a fancy name.

We may strafe faster, but its minimal, and its useless in gunfights.

We may be able to speed tank, but, we trade a lot of HP to do so, whereas med frames can almost match our sprint, with twice, to three times our eHP.

We cant even Scout our Scan radius is the same as every other suit in the game.

Every thing we can do, it can be matched by almost every single other class in the game.

Making Scouts, the most useless role in DUST, hands down.

Dropships are in a bad position, but at least they've got some idea of where they're heading.

I know you've acknowledged that Scouts need some love, but we need to know what you plan on doing, and when you plan on doing it.

NB4: Gal scouts are competitive with triple plates and 600+ HP.

^Personally, I hate that I have to bastardize my stealthy assassin fits with armor. But its the only way to compete at the moment. Would be nice to have other options.

I have some scout experiece, despite never speccing into it. I ran with a dragonfly scout and toxin half the time during Chrome, now I run with it half the time with a Dren shotgun. I find it very effective, and I run it completely with BPOs. With two stamina mods I can be in and out of where I need to be before anyone can retaliate. I usually avoid fights, but when the opportunity arises or it becomes a necessity I can hold my own. I can run circles around almost every suit. Yes I have low EHP, I have no mods other than the passive suit bonuses. I also have 0 SP in both the shogun and Gal Scout.

I usually only die when I don't get the jump on people, and using passive scanning and my speed effectively I can survive a 1v1 and I almost always go positive in a match. The only times I don't are when I intentialy make suicide runs to disprupt lightly guarded enemy positions in hopes to either take a letter at least pull attention and resources away from the rest of the battlefield.

Now I know this is one "playstyle" and not everyone wants play that way. So I ask what "playstyle" do you want the scout suit to run? Because most of the whiners want it to be a faster assault, so why won't they just run assault, add some catalyzers and stamina boosters? It's like choosing a heavy because you want more EHP and then complaining that it's too slow and doesn't have enough equipment slots. The scout is great if you know what you are doing and play it to its strengths.

There is more to stealth than cloaking.

Note: If this thread is about the scout being the "most useless" than someone would have to take that spot, but I'd say it's far from useless.

As a mainly solo player, I like the scout suits a lot. The low scan profile makes a huge difference when I'm sneaking in to fast hack an objective. It was tough at first, but I made sure to put my sp where I wanted it, and I can hold my own pretty well in a pub match - I'm not real helpful to a disorganized squad, but if my other five know what they're doing, you'll be damn glad to see those charged nova knives over the shoulder of the heavy holding you off with an HMG, or when their nanohive suddenly goes up in smoke! Sneaky and ruthless is the ****...

Target practice.

And all scouts try their hardest to make practice tough for you guys.

The scout and the heavy

Still nothing, huh? I thought for sure this would be the "one" ...

Developers never respond to Scout threads. Your thread is a perfect example. Over 100+ pages and not a single comment.

I'm praying that Scouts are at least mentioned in EVE-Vegas tonight.

Events / Presentations are akin to a sales pitch ...
Focus on a product's strengths, rather than bring to light its weaknesses.
I missed the event summary; my expectations were not high as it pertains to the Scout.
Anything cool coming?