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Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 697	Posted - 2013.10.11 10:54:00 - [1] - Quote My Caldari suit has really crappy PG/CPU. Even with Electronics 5 and Engineering 4, I still run out of CPU. To fit a Proto weapon, I have to give up my 4th Complex extender and the Enhanced one is... disappointing (33 HP instead of 66 is a big step behind). What would you go for?
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1423	Posted - 2013.10.11 10:57:00 - [2] - Quote Weapon. 33hp is worth losing for a prototype weapon.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1380	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:00:00 - [3] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: Weapon. 33hp is worth losing for a prototype weapon. This MOAR POWER!!!!!!!!
Eyemakerwet R 0 N 1 N 79	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:01:00 - [4] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: My Caldari suit has really crappy PG/CPU. Even with Electronics 5 and Engineering 4, I still run out of CPU. To fit a Proto weapon, I have to give up my 4th Complex extender and the Enhanced one is... disappointing (33 HP instead of 66 is a big step behind). What would you go for? have u tried a cpu upgrade?
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 17	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:03:00 - [5] - Quote fit both and change something else.... seriously what on earth are you fitting to that thing that you even have to make this choice?
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 698	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:03:00 - [6] - Quote Eyemakerwet wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: My Caldari suit has really crappy PG/CPU. Even with Electronics 5 and Engineering 4, I still run out of CPU. To fit a Proto weapon, I have to give up my 4th Complex extender and the Enhanced one is... disappointing (33 HP instead of 66 is a big step behind). What would you go for? have u tried a cpu upgrade? I thought about it, but this way I would have a lot of unused CPU without the PG to make it useful. Using 2 slots for both upgrades is out of question.
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 698	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:06:00 - [7] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: fit both and change something else.... seriously what on earth are you fitting to that thing that you even have to make this choice? Assault CK.0 -Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle -Submachine Gun -M1 Locus Grenade -3x Complex Shield Extender -1x Enhanced Shield Extender -2x Basic Armor Plate -1x Basic Armor Repairer -Enhanced Quantum Scanner
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1229	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:09:00 - [8] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: My Caldari suit has really crappy PG/CPU. Even with Electronics 5 and Engineering 4, I still run out of CPU. To fit a Proto weapon, I have to give up my 4th Complex extender and the Enhanced one is... disappointing (33 HP instead of 66 is a big step behind). What would you go for? List your entire fitting and we might just help you...
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 698	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:10:00 - [9] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: My Caldari suit has really crappy PG/CPU. Even with Electronics 5 and Engineering 4, I still run out of CPU. To fit a Proto weapon, I have to give up my 4th Complex extender and the Enhanced one is... disappointing (33 HP instead of 66 is a big step behind). What would you go for? List your entire fitting and we might just help you... Done.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 17	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:11:00 - [10] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: fit both and change something else.... seriously what on earth are you fitting to that thing that you even have to make this choice? Assault CK.0 -Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle -Submachine Gun -M1 Locus Grenade -3x Complex Shield Extender -1x Enhanced Shield Extender -2x Basic Armor Plate -1x Basic Armor Repairer -Enhanced Quantum Scanner change rep to basic plate, change scanner to compact rep hive... problem solved, now you have more EHP, reps and ammo and are you the official "slayer" fit the pros use. bonus points if you can shove core locus granades on there with the saved cpu

Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 670	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:12:00 - [11] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: Weapon. 33hp is worth losing for a prototype weapon. I disagree. the difference from adv to proto weapon is about an enhanced dmg mod ~5%. also doesnt the proto AR/AScr have more kick than the advanced one? Ghosts Chance wrote: change rep to basic plate, change scanner to compact rep hive... problem solved, now you have more EHP, reps and ammo and are you the official "slayer" fit the pros use. bonus points if you can shove core locus granades on there with the saved cpu and cry in forums that you get less WP than logis doing their jobs because you are selfish KDR kid...
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 698	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:13:00 - [12] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: fit both and change something else.... seriously what on earth are you fitting to that thing that you even have to make this choice? Assault CK.0 -Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle -Submachine Gun -M1 Locus Grenade -3x Complex Shield Extender -1x Enhanced Shield Extender -2x Basic Armor Plate -1x Basic Armor Repairer -Enhanced Quantum Scanner change rep to basic plate, change scanner to compact rep hive... problem solved, now you have more EHP, reps and ammo and are you the official "slayer" fit the pros use. bonus points if you can shove core locus granades on there with the saved cpu But I'm a dedicated flanker, I rely quite much on the scanner. I'm not the typical run-and-gunner. Anyway, I really appreciate your suggestion.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 700	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:38:00 - [13] - Quote What about changing the M1 to Locus grenade and Armor repair to Basic Plate? Would that free up enough CPU for you? Do you NEED the repair? Also there's option to change the advanced scanner to flux active scanner. And why the hell am I helping you to get more deadly?
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 699	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:45:00 - [14] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: And why the hell am I helping you to get more deadly? Thanks. I will try what you suggest with the DUST Fitting Tool (I can't play now, my PS3 is occupied). I guess I can give up the M1... I don't NEED the repair, but when they damage me heaviliy, I lose my potential high EHP because I have no regen. I don't like the Flux Scanner, I'll stick to the Quantum because of its massive duration.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 17	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:51:00 - [15] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: fit both and change something else.... seriously what on earth are you fitting to that thing that you even have to make this choice? Assault CK.0 -Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle -Submachine Gun -M1 Locus Grenade -3x Complex Shield Extender -1x Enhanced Shield Extender -2x Basic Armor Plate -1x Basic Armor Repairer -Enhanced Quantum Scanner change rep to basic plate, change scanner to compact rep hive... problem solved, now you have more EHP, reps and ammo and are you the official "slayer" fit the pros use. bonus points if you can shove core locus granades on there with the saved cpu But I'm a dedicated flanker, I rely quite much on the scanner. I'm not the typical run-and-gunner. Anyway, I really appreciate your suggestion. shoulda went Winmatar :P my flank suit doesnt carry the scanner... maybe its just becuase im used to not being able to scan people... you get used to looking with your eyes VS looking through the scanners eyes though, and if your apart of a squad (with the main squad used as the anvil to your flanking hammer) then its one of those guys who should have the scanner. for a solo fit the hive is still better due to it providing much needed rep power AND some ammo, you also get more EHP from the deal. its a minmax fit though, so its not everyones flavor, stick with the scanner since you enjoy it and build around that. how much CPU are you over by with both the extender and your proto weapon? there might be another way to make it fit (at the cost of SP)
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1230	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:56:00 - [16] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: fit both and change something else.... seriously what on earth are you fitting to that thing that you even have to make this choice? Assault CK.0 -Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle -Submachine Gun -M1 Locus Grenade -3x Complex Shield Extender -1x Enhanced Shield Extender -2x Basic Armor Plate -1x Basic Armor Repairer -Enhanced Quantum Scanner I have a fitting much like this with my Scrambler rifle. Well I'd personally exhange one plate for a CPU uppgrade, so you'll lose roughly 50 HP but you also might get to fit better nades and/or sidearm.
Pandora Mars Afterlife Overseers 377	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:58:00 - [17] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: And why the hell am I helping you to get more deadly? My friend, I know you and you're are a solid player who plays smart. So I would say go for the most Alpha damage possible to insta-pop people with your TAR before they can shoot back.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 700	Posted - 2013.10.11 12:04:00 - [18] - Quote Pandora Mars wrote: Repe Susi wrote: And why the hell am I helping you to get more deadly? My friend, I know you and you're a solid player who plays smart. So I would say go for the most Alpha damage possible to insta-pop people with your TAR before they can shoot back. Thanks. blush :D But I think that wasn't for me.
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 699	Posted - 2013.10.11 12:12:00 - [19] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: how much CPU are you over by with both the extender and your proto weapon? there might be another way to make it fit (at the cost of SP) CPU 408 / 390 PG 75 / 75
Pandora Mars Afterlife Overseers 378	Posted - 2013.10.11 12:15:00 - [20] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: Pandora Mars wrote: Repe Susi wrote: And why the hell am I helping you to get more deadly? My friend, I know you and you're a solid player who plays smart. So I would say go for the most Alpha damage possible to insta-pop people with your TAR before they can shoot back. Thanks. blush :D But I think that wasn't for me. LOL well, I wanted to quote you because that is exactly my answer to Keri. She is a solid player and you should not help her becoming more lethal XD Now I edited my post to make it clearer. But I'm sure you're a great player too

Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 483	Posted - 2013.10.11 12:27:00 - [21] - Quote I'd say go for as many CPU upgrades as you want and i say this because the idea of dual tanking burns my eyes. hell get CPU and PG upgrades in those low slots to get proto nades and proto SMG instead of dual tanking...
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 699	Posted - 2013.10.11 12:30:00 - [22] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I'd say go for as many CPU upgrades as you want and i say this because the idea of dual tanking burns my eyes. hell get CPU and PG upgrades in those low slots to get proto nades and proto SMG instead of dual tanking... I love dual tanking But thanks for the input.
Pandora Mars Afterlife Overseers 379	Posted - 2013.10.11 13:06:00 - [23] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I'd say go for as many CPU upgrades as you want and i say this because the idea of dual tanking burns my eyes. hell get CPU and PG upgrades in those low slots to get proto nades and proto SMG instead of dual tanking... I wouldn't suggest such a radical change when the player feels comfortable with a particular kind of fitting, especially if said player is doing good with it.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 582	Posted - 2013.10.11 13:09:00 - [24] - Quote I gotta fever and the only prescription is more proto weapons.
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 702	Posted - 2013.10.11 13:12:00 - [25] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: I gotta fever and the only prescription is more proto weapons. Yes doctor, I'll be taking in my regular dose.
Cosgar ParagonX 5837	Posted - 2013.10.11 13:17:00 - [26] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I'd say go for as many CPU upgrades as you want and i say this because the idea of dual tanking burns my eyes. hell get CPU and PG upgrades in those low slots to get proto nades and proto SMG instead of dual tanking... Agreed. Shield Energizer/recharger + Extenders + Regulators on a Caldari suit goes much further than a bunch of plates that slow you down. EHP isn't everything when you can pop into cover real quick and regen 2/3 of your max shields in a couple of seconds.
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 702	Posted - 2013.10.11 13:25:00 - [27] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I'd say go for as many CPU upgrades as you want and i say this because the idea of dual tanking burns my eyes. hell get CPU and PG upgrades in those low slots to get proto nades and proto SMG instead of dual tanking... Agreed. Shield Energizer/recharger + Extenders + Regulators on a Caldari suit goes much further than a bunch of plates that slow you down. EHP isn't everything when you can pop into cover real quick and regen 2/3 of your max shields in a couple of seconds. I believe it's a matter of playstyle. I'm not looking forward to change my fitting that much, I do pretty good with my current one. What I was asking is what do you think is more useful between +5% damage and 33 HP. So far I can't tell, they both work ok.
Pandora Mars Afterlife Overseers 383	Posted - 2013.10.11 13:49:00 - [28] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Shield Energizer/recharger + Extenders + Regulators on a Caldari suit goes much further than a bunch of plates that slow you down. EHP isn't everything when you can pop into cover real quick and regen 2/3 of your max shields in a couple of seconds. Questionable...
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1424	Posted - 2013.10.11 13:57:00 - [29] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: I believe it's a matter of playstyle. I'm not looking forward to change my fitting that much, I do pretty good with my current one. What I was asking is what do you think is more useful between +5% damage and 33 HP. So far I can't tell, they both work ok. Go for the cheaper option if you really can't decide, but currently the weapon has a subset of skills which improves its functionality; something modules don't have. In that regard it's more than 5% damage.
Fist Groinpunch Goonfeet Top Men. 123	Posted - 2013.10.11 16:13:00 - [30] - Quote You fit is almost identical to mine, the H/L modules particularly. I had the same dilemma. I decided to go with the GLU instead of the Duvolle because of two things: 1. The Duvolle gets you something like 3.5 extra damage a round for around 45 extra CPU. And while that kind of increase might be worth it on a high RPM weapon like the the AR, on the TAR it's not as much bang for your buck. 2. HP trumps damage output, always. More damage is good because you're better able to kill the other guy before he kills you. On the other hand, more HP is good because the other guy needs more time to kill you in a shootout. It's symmetric. But! Outside of this one on one scenario, extra damage output is useless. Your Duvolle with its extra damage isn't going to help you when you're being shot at by a HAV, nor a sniper, nor a forge gunner, nor a turret. It's not going to help you when somebody flanks you and starts shooting you in the back. It's not going to help you tank falling damage nor locus grenade damage. It's not going to help you when you're running away from a squad of reds, bullets whizzing around you. But having that extra HP definitely will help in all those situations! Your core skills are basically maxed out, so no help there. Why use the M1 grenades? If you use standard tier grenades, get that last level of Dropsuit Core Upgrades, put some points into Explosives or whatever for the CPU reduction, you might just have enough CPU for the Duvolle, the complex shield, and the standard grenades. You'd need to open up the fitting tool to see if that's doable, I'm just spitballing here. PS Lol @ people advocating removing armor repper/bashing on dual tanking.



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