DUST Search - We crushed the Minmatar

Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Coleman Gray wrote:

The events a botched job by offering what it did as rewards, it wasn't so much "fight for YOUR faction" rather than "Pick the faction you want the rewards for" and so everyone pretty much went Amarr lol

Harden up that's how EVE side FW always is

No, it really isn't.
In EVE FW, the economy and the LP system help to balance the warzone because if one faction starts to dominate the value of LP from the opposing faction skyrockets. There is no such mechanic here, as there is neither an LP store nor an economy.

In addition, none of the factions in EVE have nothing but useless items in their LP store.

The FW system is dominated by players exploiting the LP of a certain faction to sell their ships on the market. But I see what you mean, with the Minmatar dominating in this example does this mean Amarr Navy Ships will increase in value?

Yes. Have you not seen this? When the Minmatar militia is winning, the value of firetails drops significantly and the value of slicers increases significantly. The only variable here is the LP value.
There is no mechanic even remotely like the rewards system we are seeing here. The value of Amarr equipment did not increase when they were getting stomped, and the value of Minmatar equipment will not increase here now.

Thus, this is not how EVE side FW works.

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Aisha Ctarl PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1487	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:06:00 - [1] - Quote ...now what? Amarr owns everything and Scotty is making it known by giving constant errors since we have no districts to attack. I personally only play Amarr FW so I guess it's time for me to put down the sticks until the Minnies take some districts back eh? Another problem - since the Amarr swept in so quickly and took everything, I'm sure many players didn't get the chance to fulfill the Amarr FW award parameters. Do those possible awards simply become vaporware for those players since they didn't get the chance to play that many matches before we assumed complete control? Are we all expected to simply swap over to our allies faction and go for their rewards instead since some of us may be unable to attain the Amarr awards? IS FW SIMPLY A TOTAL MESS BOTCHED BY CCP?!? So many questions regarding FW....so little answers.
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 790	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:09:00 - [2] - Quote The events a botched job by offering what it did as rewards, it wasn't so much "fight for YOUR faction" rather than "Pick the faction you want the rewards for" and so everyone pretty much went Amarr lol
CrotchGrab 360 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 287	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:12:00 - [3] - Quote due to the small player count everyone just jumped on a tiny bandwagon and it's like "now what?" Must have been fun while it lasted..........
SickJ sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 100	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:15:00 - [4] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: ...now what? Well it's obvious isn't it? Start invading Gallente and Caldari space. Nothing could possibly go wrong.
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 428	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:16:00 - [5] - Quote all CCP did was flip whatever FW glich that was there before to the othr faction so the amarr players would be on top they never actually worked out the bug that was causing minmatar to be on top
Christiphoros von Poe PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 20	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:18:00 - [6] - Quote SickJ wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: ...now what? Well it's obvious isn't it? Start invading Gallente and Caldari space. Nothing could possibly go wrong. Heh... Yeah... That would go well.
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1965	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:20:00 - [7] - Quote Fuuuuuu- I've probably completed about 20 Amarr FW battles since the start of the event. I'm happy we took back our territory and that the Minmatar will be set back on the straight path but I would have liked those rewards nonetheless. I haven't had the chance to play yet today but I hope I'm curious why now no battles are available for the Amarr? When the Minmatar controlled all the territory it seemed like we could instantly get into battle on the Amarr side. What changed?
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 110	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:21:00 - [8] - Quote This feels like a Planet Side problem.
Rogue Saint Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 303	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:22:00 - [9] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: it wasn't so much "fight for YOUR faction" rather than "Pick the faction you want the rewards for" and so everyone pretty much went Amarr Sad but true, lots of corps that only dabble in FW for a change of scenery have aided the Amarrian conquest for the rewards. Since most will soon "achieve" the reward tiers they will leave FW. My worry now is that since we are on the reverse side of the win/loss & attack/defence before the event we may have an issue with the mechanics to take it back, only time will tell.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Robbing The Hood Public Disorder. 336	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:26:00 - [10] - Quote I'm fighting for Caldari and haven't lost a match so I'd say you could at least help your Caldari allies with the grind.

Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 641	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:31:00 - [11] - Quote XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: all CCP did was flip whatever FW glich that was there before to the othr faction so the amarr players would be on top they never actually worked out the bug that was causing minmatar to be on top Actually it's rather simple - by and large, people prefer to fight against the imperialistic slave traders; not for them. See no bug, no nefarious switch flipping, simply people switching sides to get shiny rewards.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2812	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:33:00 - [12] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: The events a botched job by offering what it did as rewards, it wasn't so much "fight for YOUR faction" rather than "Pick the faction you want the rewards for" and so everyone pretty much went Amarr lol Harden up that's how EVE side FW always is
Green Living 0uter.Heaven 899	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:36:00 - [13] - Quote Yeah, I don't get to play often and managed a total of 4 Amarr FW matches before not being able to find any.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 1695	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:43:00 - [14] - Quote Can someone link me to where it shows the standings of Amarr vs Minmitar?
Lea Silencio D3ath D3alers 403	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:43:00 - [15] - Quote We should let them take a couple of districts back and then re-take them all over again. Let's give our other brothers a chance at the rewards.
Lea Silencio D3ath D3alers 403	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:44:00 - [16] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Can someone link me to where it shows the standings of Amarr vs Minmitar? We own all of it. 100%. Now, Scotty can't find us matches.
Herli Pascal Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 76	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:47:00 - [17] - Quote I don't think Amarr victory shows FW is broken on the Dust side. Minmatar has been losing ground for a long time; the Dust FW event just sped up the process.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2699	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:49:00 - [18] - Quote XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: all CCP did was flip whatever FW glich that was there before to the othr faction so the amarr players would be on top they never actually worked out the bug that was causing minmatar to be on top It wasn't a glitch or a bug, it was a design flaw. And it wasn't specifically making the Minmatar and Gallente win FW, it was making it so whichever team held a slight majority of districts would create a snowball effect until they own all districts and then hold them in a virtual lock down. From what it appears, this design flaw has yet to be fixed. Nonetheless, that doesn't mean Amarr or Caldari don't deserve credits. Both factions have rallied enough forces to somehow climb out of that hole they've been in for a month. The problem is that now for the Minmatar or Gallente to come back, they're going to need a similarly monstrous effort. Pretty much it turns into an "all or nothing" thing which really isn't how FW should be. There should be long periods of time where everything is mostly contested, with only brief moments where one team is able to make a push and secure all districts.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 1695	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:50:00 - [19] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Can someone link me to where it shows the standings of Amarr vs Minmitar? We own all of it. 100%. Now, Scotty can't find us matches. Link? Wait if we own 100%... I still have to do like 20-30 more wins lol. I'm gonna have trouble finding fw games then :(
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2699	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:52:00 - [20] - Quote Herli Pascal wrote: I don't think Amarr victory shows FW is broken on the Dust side. Minmatar has been losing ground for a long time; the Dust FW event just sped up the process. Well it's a little of both. Again, Amarr and Caldari both deserve massive credit for their accomplishments on getting out of their hole they've dug themselves. Still, an obvious sign that the FW system is still not working correctly is the fact that you get "scotty" errors when your faction has no districts to attack. You should at least be put into a defensive contract.

GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 603	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:04:00 - [21] - Quote Lol MINMITAR JUST WON TWO RIGHT now so all u obviously dont play in all the matches to know
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3781	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:12:00 - [22] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: The events a botched job by offering what it did as rewards, it wasn't so much "fight for YOUR faction" rather than "Pick the faction you want the rewards for" and so everyone pretty much went Amarr lol Harden up that's how EVE side FW always is No, it really isn't. In EVE FW, the economy and the LP system help to balance the warzone because if one faction starts to dominate the value of LP from the opposing faction skyrockets. There is no such mechanic here, as there is neither an LP store nor an economy. In addition, none of the factions in EVE have nothing but useless items in their LP store.
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers EoN. 1529	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:21:00 - [23] - Quote a someone what impressive turn out, but completely semgs the event because i cant run matches now to earn the wins i need i work full time so its not like i just play when less people are on. in character AHHA i NEW OUR FAITH WOULD BE REWARDED
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2816	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:46:00 - [24] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: The events a botched job by offering what it did as rewards, it wasn't so much "fight for YOUR faction" rather than "Pick the faction you want the rewards for" and so everyone pretty much went Amarr lol Harden up that's how EVE side FW always is No, it really isn't. In EVE FW, the economy and the LP system help to balance the warzone because if one faction starts to dominate the value of LP from the opposing faction skyrockets. There is no such mechanic here, as there is neither an LP store nor an economy. In addition, none of the factions in EVE have nothing but useless items in their LP store. The FW system is dominated by players exploiting the LP of a certain faction to sell their ships on the market. But I see what you mean, with the Minmatar dominating in this example does this mean Amarr Navy Ships will increase in value?
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3787	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:58:00 - [25] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: The events a botched job by offering what it did as rewards, it wasn't so much "fight for YOUR faction" rather than "Pick the faction you want the rewards for" and so everyone pretty much went Amarr lol Harden up that's how EVE side FW always is No, it really isn't. In EVE FW, the economy and the LP system help to balance the warzone because if one faction starts to dominate the value of LP from the opposing faction skyrockets. There is no such mechanic here, as there is neither an LP store nor an economy. In addition, none of the factions in EVE have nothing but useless items in their LP store. The FW system is dominated by players exploiting the LP of a certain faction to sell their ships on the market. But I see what you mean, with the Minmatar dominating in this example does this mean Amarr Navy Ships will increase in value? Yes. Have you not seen this? When the Minmatar militia is winning, the value of firetails drops significantly and the value of slicers increases significantly. The only variable here is the LP value. There is no mechanic even remotely like the rewards system we are seeing here. The value of Amarr equipment did not increase when they were getting stomped, and the value of Minmatar equipment will not increase here now. Thus, this is not how EVE side FW works.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 360	Posted - 2013.10.10 22:24:00 - [26] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: ...now what? Amarr owns everything and Scotty is making it known by giving constant errors since we have no districts to attack. I personally only play Amarr FW so I guess it's time for me to put down the sticks until the Minnies take some districts back eh? Another problem - since the Amarr swept in so quickly and took everything, I'm sure many players didn't get the chance to fulfill the Amarr FW award parameters. Do those possible awards simply become vaporware for those players since they didn't get the chance to play that many matches before we assumed complete control? Are we all expected to simply swap over to our allies faction and go for their rewards instead since some of us may be unable to attain the Amarr awards? IS FW SIMPLY A TOTAL MESS BOTCHED BY CCP?!? So many questions regarding FW....so little answers. On my tank alt I activated my nitrous and ran you over, I hope that tasted good
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2820	Posted - 2013.10.10 22:28:00 - [27] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: ...now what? Amarr owns everything and Scotty is making it known by giving constant errors since we have no districts to attack. I personally only play Amarr FW so I guess it's time for me to put down the sticks until the Minnies take some districts back eh? Another problem - since the Amarr swept in so quickly and took everything, I'm sure many players didn't get the chance to fulfill the Amarr FW award parameters. Do those possible awards simply become vaporware for those players since they didn't get the chance to play that many matches before we assumed complete control? Are we all expected to simply swap over to our allies faction and go for their rewards instead since some of us may be unable to attain the Amarr awards? IS FW SIMPLY A TOTAL MESS BOTCHED BY CCP?!? So many questions regarding FW....so little answers. On my tank alt I activated my nitrous and ran you over, I hope that tasted good Its always is funny.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2821	Posted - 2013.10.10 22:29:00 - [28] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: The events a botched job by offering what it did as rewards, it wasn't so much "fight for YOUR faction" rather than "Pick the faction you want the rewards for" and so everyone pretty much went Amarr lol Harden up that's how EVE side FW always is No, it really isn't. In EVE FW, the economy and the LP system help to balance the warzone because if one faction starts to dominate the value of LP from the opposing faction skyrockets. There is no such mechanic here, as there is neither an LP store nor an economy. In addition, none of the factions in EVE have nothing but useless items in their LP store. The FW system is dominated by players exploiting the LP of a certain faction to sell their ships on the market. But I see what you mean, with the Minmatar dominating in this example does this mean Amarr Navy Ships will increase in value? Yes. Have you not seen this? When the Minmatar militia is winning, the value of firetails drops significantly and the value of slicers increases significantly. The only variable here is the LP value. There is no mechanic even remotely like the rewards system we are seeing here. The value of Amarr equipment did not increase when they were getting stomped, and the value of Minmatar equipment will not increase here now. Thus, this is not how EVE side FW works. Not necessarily for the Amarr yet, but I do know its happening for the Minnies, oir has been.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 180	Posted - 2013.10.10 22:58:00 - [29] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: ...now what? Amarr owns everything and Scotty is making it known by giving constant errors since we have no districts to attack. I personally only play Amarr FW so I guess it's time for me to put down the sticks until the Minnies take some districts back eh? Another problem - since the Amarr swept in so quickly and took everything, I'm sure many players didn't get the chance to fulfill the Amarr FW award parameters. Do those possible awards simply become vaporware for those players since they didn't get the chance to play that many matches before we assumed complete control? Are we all expected to simply swap over to our allies faction and go for their rewards instead since some of us may be unable to attain the Amarr awards? IS FW SIMPLY A TOTAL MESS BOTCHED BY CCP?!? So many questions regarding FW....so little answers. Just another example of CCP's ability to balance even prizes... Unbalanced prizes... in even Isk value... like CCP didn't even use their calculator this time. Ultimate lazyness ftw.
Beld Errmon Evocatius 978	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:08:00 - [30] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: In addition, none of the factions in EVE have nothing but useless items in their LP store. You've obviously never seen the Syndicates LP store :D



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