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bamboo x Pawns and Kings 8	Posted - 2013.10.10 19:58:00 - [1] - Quote It appears to be weak VS armor, but I'm not sure. Only level 2 right now but I'm having a really hard time in close combat. Thinking about skilling into Commando with that character to max out reload speed.
Ploo-Koon Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 230	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:01:00 - [2] - Quote I don't really think the answer to using the worst weapon in the game currently is to skill into the worst suit in the game. I'm not saying the Plasma Cannon can't be used effectively(I've seen video of people who can), just that it's incredibly difficult and the Commando suit won't do you any favors.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws 1223	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:03:00 - [3] - Quote Honestly there are some people that are very good with it. I wouldn't put myself through that personally.
bamboo x Pawns and Kings 8	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:05:00 - [4] - Quote Ploo-Koon wrote: I don't really think the answer to using the worst weapon in the game currently is to skill into the worst suit in the game. I'm not saying the Plasma Cannon can't be used effectively(I've seen video of people who can), just that it's incredibly difficult and the Commando suit won't do you any favors. I'm going to try out the Advanced one and if I don't like it, I'll delete the character and build a Tanker instead.
Roldrage The Plasma Cannon Doctrine 187	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:24:00 - [5] - Quote What would you consider good? Also, Cannon Fever is a plasma cannon channel for those who wish to get tips about the plc or squad up with other plc users, could be worth joining if you're interested.
bamboo x Pawns and Kings 8	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:25:00 - [6] - Quote Roldrage wrote: What would you consider good? At least 2 or 3 hit KO on heavies. Um... ability to kill tanks. And guys, you don't really need to be fast with plasma cannon, so I'm thinking Commando will be fine.
Roldrage The Plasma Cannon Doctrine 187	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:29:00 - [7] - Quote A direct hit will 1HK a heavy unless they're obscenely tanked and you are just using STD, tanks vary but generally you can do good damage to militia tanks and gunnlogis. I would choose evasion over defense when using the plc (and complex damage mods) so I wouldn't go for the commando but I have heard that it can work.
bamboo x Pawns and Kings 9	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:33:00 - [8] - Quote Roldrage wrote: A direct hit will 1HK a heavy unless they're obscenely tanked and you are just using STD, tanks vary but generally you can do good damage to militia tanks and gunnlogis. I would choose evasion over defense when using the plc (and complex damage mods) so I wouldn't go for the commando but I have heard that it can work. Think about it. Commando is the only way to max out reload speed, just like Minmatar Logi is the only way to max out hack speed. What's STD? Standard damage?
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 430	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:37:00 - [9] - Quote I run a smg secondary. Take out most of their health with the PLC and finish them off with the smg. Theres normally a delay after you shoot where you cant switch weapons for a second or two but i know a way around it.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3780	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:40:00 - [10] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Roldrage wrote: A direct hit will 1HK a heavy unless they're obscenely tanked and you are just using STD, tanks vary but generally you can do good damage to militia tanks and gunnlogis. I would choose evasion over defense when using the plc (and complex damage mods) so I wouldn't go for the commando but I have heard that it can work. Think about it. Commando is the only way to max out reload speed, just like Minmatar Logi is the only way to max out hack speed. What's STD? Standard damage? STD as in standard item. If you're just using 'Plasma Cannon', it's weaker than the 'Allotek Plasma Cannon'. Most of the time with the PLC you don't have time to reload in a fight, even if you have reload bonuses. I would recommend going for a faster and tankier suit with a sidearm instead of a Commando.

Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 962	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:42:00 - [11] - Quote Good with a Plasma Cannon is not going 20/1. Good with a Plasma Cannon is 12/2.
Eversor Beercase Beer For Evil Mercs 36	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:52:00 - [12] - Quote Roldrage wrote: What would you consider good? You're black belt level man. bamboo x: Currently Commando is a waste of SP for the PLC, since there's a 2 second delay after firing the weapon, hence the reload speed doesn't matter as much. A commando is also more easily hit than the lighter suits, with fewer slots. Trust me, as fun as dual PLC on a commando is, it's not that effective. I've tried. I believe that close combat is where the PLC shines, as long as you get a direct hit. Heavies are a good target since they're slow and scouts are good aswell since they mostly die to the splash. You won't do much against tanks alone, since you get a shot in every 6 seconds or so, doing around 1k damage on shields. Well fitted tanks have more than enough ways to deal with the damage of a solo PLC. Then again, 6 man PLC squad does some nasty burst damage to the tanks. PLC needs some time to get used to and the other weapons do things more efficiently than it anyways. If you don't feel like the weapon is fun to use, I'd suggest you to try something else. It won't get noticeably better with proto and profiency, compared to the basic version. Few more splash kills, but still most of your kills are going to be OHK which the basic one can deliver to anyone except the tankiest of heavies. Not recommended for rookies or tryhards. It can deliver great results in pubs with balanced teams though (29/1 is my best with it).
bamboo x Pawns and Kings 9	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:07:00 - [13] - Quote Eversor Beercase wrote: Roldrage wrote: What would you consider good? I believe that close combat is where the PLC shines. Definitely a negative. Medium range, especially when they don't notice you're there. Close combat would only be good if you're hiding behind a corner. Once the enemy sees what you're using, they'll jump around and **** and you WONT hit them.
Eversor Beercase Beer For Evil Mercs 38	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:23:00 - [14] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Eversor Beercase wrote: Roldrage wrote: What would you consider good? I believe that close combat is where the PLC shines. Definitely a negative. Medium range, especially when they don't notice you're there. Close combat would only be good if you're hiding behind a corner. Once the enemy sees what you're using, they'll jump around and **** and you WONT hit them. Every weapon is good when the opponent doesn't notice you. In a dog fight, close combat is where your opponent has the least time to dodge the shot. It is really easy to sidestep the shot in medium+ range. People who can't make it or underestimate the weapon, deserve to get hit. And naturally as you can shoot every 6 seconds with the gun, most of the time you are somewhere in cover to reload the shot. Which makes corners your best friend.
Roldrage The Plasma Cannon Doctrine 189	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:26:00 - [15] - Quote Eversor Beercase wrote: bamboo x wrote: Eversor Beercase wrote: Roldrage wrote: What would you consider good? I believe that close combat is where the PLC shines. Definitely a negative. Medium range, especially when they don't notice you're there. Close combat would only be good if you're hiding behind a corner. Once the enemy sees what you're using, they'll jump around and **** and you WONT hit them. Every weapon is good when the opponent doesn't notice you. In a dog fight, close combat is where your opponent has the least time to dodge the shot. It is really easy to sidestep the shot in medium+ range. People who can't make it or underestimate the weapon, deserve to get hit. And naturally as you can shoot every 6 seconds with the gun, most of the time you are somewhere in cover to reload the shot. Which makes corners your best friend. This. Plus it's much easier to predict the enemy's movements at close range.
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 742	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:33:00 - [16] - Quote Plasma Cannon description has nothing to do with AV. A dev once said its an area denial and CQs weapon. I would also like to point out to FGs(I am one) that the FG is a AV weapon not AI. The SL also says anti-material.
DeadlyAztec11 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 2194	Posted - 2013.10.10 22:09:00 - [17] - Quote Xender17 wrote: Plasma Cannon description has nothing to do with AV. A dev once said its an area denial and CQs weapon. I would also like to point out to FGs(I am one) that the FG is a AV weapon not AI. The SL also says anti-material. Originally Wolfman said the Plasma Cannon was AV. Though, I think that they changed it last second. Also you have it backwards; SL is AV and the FG is anti-material. ;-)
bamboo x Pawns and Kings 9	Posted - 2013.10.10 22:12:00 - [18] - Quote Jesus people, enough with the make-believe abbreviations. The only thing I understood was AV and FG.
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 744	Posted - 2013.10.11 02:17:00 - [19] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Xender17 wrote: Plasma Cannon description has nothing to do with AV. A dev once said its an area denial and CQs weapon. I would also like to point out to FGs(I am one) that the FG is a AV weapon not AI. The SL also says anti-material. Originally Wolfman said the Plasma Cannon was AV. Though, I think that they changed it last second. Also you have it backwards; SL is AV and the FG is anti-material. ;-) http://dust514.wikia.com/wiki/Swarm_Launchers You see it in the first sentence. Of course you could also say that sense it has vehicles in the description my point is invalid. But the SL can only be used on vehicles. The FG CAN be used on both. However it say anti-material. If anti-material meant infantry also why would the SL have it?
itsmellslikefish DIOS EX. Top Men. 311	Posted - 2013.10.11 02:24:00 - [20] - Quote bamboo x wrote: It appears to be weak VS armor, but I'm not sure. Only level 2 right now but I'm having a really hard time in close combat. Thinking about skilling into Commando with that character to max out reload speed. When your in qcq aim at feet and finish them of with breach submachine.

Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2225	Posted - 2013.10.11 02:25:00 - [21] - Quote I do well with the plasma cannon but it's still a colossal joke.
fawkuima juggalo Hollowed Kings 76	Posted - 2013.10.11 02:41:00 - [22] - Quote nope...maybe.... **** yea!
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 541	Posted - 2013.10.11 03:20:00 - [23] - Quote bamboo x wrote: It appears to be weak VS armor, but I'm not sure. Only level 2 right now but I'm having a really hard time in close combat. Thinking about skilling into Commando with that character to max out reload speed. Plasma cannon isn't for close combat. Stay behind your team in whatever semblance of a "frontline" they are providing and lob it in. If you are going for CQ trolling then get a scout suit and move like a shotgunner. Jump around a lot. That's how I've seen effective CQ users do well. Also, follow a heavy and provide support. That combo works well.
DeadlyAztec11 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 2194	Posted - 2013.10.11 03:40:00 - [24] - Quote Xender17 wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Xender17 wrote: Plasma Cannon description has nothing to do with AV. A dev once said its an area denial and CQs weapon. I would also like to point out to FGs(I am one) that the FG is a AV weapon not AI. The SL also says anti-material. Originally Wolfman said the Plasma Cannon was AV. Though, I think that they changed it last second. Also you have it backwards; SL is AV and the FG is anti-material. ;-) http://dust514.wikia.com/wiki/Swarm_Launchers You see it in the first sentence. Of course you could also say that sense it has vehicles in the description my point is invalid. But the SL can only be used on vehicles. The FG CAN be used on both. However it say anti-material. If anti-material meant infantry also why would the SL have it? Who ever is doing the descriptions does not really understand what they're saying. They still describe guns that shoot in bursts as "semi-automatic". At one point the SMG was said to be "semi-automatic".
DeadlyAztec11 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 2194	Posted - 2013.10.11 03:42:00 - [25] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Jesus people, enough with the make-believe abbreviations. The only thing I understood was AV and FG. PC is Plasma Cannon SL is Swarm Launcher Don't be basic now ;)
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2193	Posted - 2013.10.11 03:43:00 - [26] - Quote I am not really good with it but I've had my moments. Today I went like 5/2 with it, just fighting Nyain Chain, and you know how they fight, from above. Damn their Long Range Mass Driver spammage-cabbage
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 576	Posted - 2013.10.11 04:27:00 - [27] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Roldrage wrote: What would you consider good? At least 2 or 3 hit KO on heavies. Um... ability to kill tanks. And guys, you don't really need to be fast with plasma cannon, so I'm thinking Commando will be fine. If this is what you expect from PC you will be disappointed. No one in the game can reliably kill good armor with PC. LAVs are too fast and HAVs have too much hp and are too mobile to die to PC. You can one shot heavies with it though. But heavies are relatively rare and lighter suits are too fast to be threatened by PC. Also, PC suffers from poor hit detection. If you want to use PC for fun, by all means, spec into it. It is fun. It is not an effective weapon though.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1691	Posted - 2013.10.11 04:33:00 - [28] - Quote bamboo x wrote: It appears to be weak VS armor, but I'm not sure. Only level 2 right now but I'm having a really hard time in close combat. Thinking about skilling into Commando with that character to max out reload speed. I think Minma Logi might suit better for Plasma cannon. Considering you are minny, Play for a Minni corp; The Side arm bonus + speed might fit you very well....
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2836	Posted - 2013.10.11 04:38:00 - [29] - Quote bamboo x wrote: It appears to be weak VS armor, but I'm not sure. Only level 2 right now but I'm having a really hard time in close combat. Thinking about skilling into Commando with that character to max out reload speed. The only people I have seen who are worthy of real praise with the Plasma Cannon are Hally Tari Tari and Commander Marquess. They are both Amarr though
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1111	Posted - 2013.10.11 05:32:00 - [30] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Roldrage wrote: A direct hit will 1HK a heavy unless they're obscenely tanked and you are just using STD, tanks vary but generally you can do good damage to militia tanks and gunnlogis. I would choose evasion over defense when using the plc (and complex damage mods) so I wouldn't go for the commando but I have heard that it can work. Think about it. Commando is the only way to max out reload speed, just like Minmatar Logi is the only way to max out hack speed. What's STD? Standard damage? Stamdard level item. Catch up

dustwaffle The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 593	Posted - 2013.10.11 06:22:00 - [31] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: bamboo x wrote: It appears to be weak VS armor, but I'm not sure. Only level 2 right now but I'm having a really hard time in close combat. Thinking about skilling into Commando with that character to max out reload speed. I think Minma Logi might suit better for Plasma cannon. Considering you are minny, Play for a Minni corp; The Side arm bonus + speed might fit you very well.... MinLogi does not have a sidearm. MinLogi does not get a sidearm bonus. You probably mean Min Assault?
bamboo x Hollowed Kings 12	Posted - 2013.10.12 11:33:00 - [32] - Quote True Adamance wrote: bamboo x wrote: It appears to be weak VS armor, but I'm not sure. Only level 2 right now but I'm having a really hard time in close combat. Thinking about skilling into Commando with that character to max out reload speed. The only people I have seen who are worthy of real praise with the Plasma Cannon are Hally Tari Tari and Commander Marquess. They are both Amarr though In Soviet Russia, Minmatar enslave YOU!
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 754	Posted - 2013.10.12 11:38:00 - [33] - Quote Some people is good with it, but they would still do much better with any other weapon
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2745	Posted - 2013.10.12 12:17:00 - [34] - Quote Hally Tari-Tari and Commander Marquess are amazing plasma cannon users. They both use the Allotek on their prototype Amarr Logistics. I used to think the plasma cannon was worthless, but these two players have done some amazing things with it, many of which blow my mind.
Eversor Beercase Beer For Evil Mercs 44	Posted - 2013.10.12 17:55:00 - [35] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Hally Tari-Tari and Commander Marquess are amazing plasma cannon users. They both use the Allotek on their prototype Amarr Logistics. I used to think the plasma cannon was worthless, but these two players have done some amazing things with it, many of which blow my mind. Had the pleasure of squading up with Hally Tari-Tari and other plasmaniacs today. Needless to say, the 6 man PLC squad broke the fun meter and absolutely wrecked in all but one match. Maybe one day we'll get to play with Marquess aswell.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2759	Posted - 2013.10.12 18:04:00 - [36] - Quote Eversor Beercase wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Hally Tari-Tari and Commander Marquess are amazing plasma cannon users. They both use the Allotek on their prototype Amarr Logistics. I used to think the plasma cannon was worthless, but these two players have done some amazing things with it, many of which blow my mind. Had the pleasure of squading up with Hally Tari-Tari and other plasmaniacs today. Needless to say, the 6 man PLC squad broke the fun meter and absolutely wrecked in all but one match. Maybe one day we'll get to play with Marquess aswell. 6 man PLC squad? I can't even imagine the look on my face if I came across one of those on the enemy team . . .
Roldrage The Plasma Cannon Doctrine 204	Posted - 2013.10.12 18:29:00 - [37] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Eversor Beercase wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Hally Tari-Tari and Commander Marquess are amazing plasma cannon users. They both use the Allotek on their prototype Amarr Logistics. I used to think the plasma cannon was worthless, but these two players have done some amazing things with it, many of which blow my mind. Had the pleasure of squading up with Hally Tari-Tari and other plasmaniacs today. Needless to say, the 6 man PLC squad broke the fun meter and absolutely wrecked in all but one match. Maybe one day we'll get to play with Marquess aswell. 6 man PLC squad? I can't even imagine the look on my face if I came across one of those on the enemy team . . . This is partly why I created Cannon Fever >:)
Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 332	Posted - 2013.10.15 00:13:00 - [38] - Quote I've been playing with the Plasma Cannon for the past few days. So far my best is 11-0. It's tricky as hell but a lot of fun. So far my longest kill with the Plasma Cannon is 127.8 meters. I have been giggling like a little girl the past few days 1 shotting protos with this thing. Love it.
Chit Hoppened Venomous Rat Regeneration Vendors 49	Posted - 2013.10.15 07:26:00 - [39] - Quote It's one thing to be good with the Plasma Cannon, and it's another to be consistent with it. The allure of OHK-ing just about ANY suit is high, but damn man, have fun trying to do it all day, er'ry day. Also, if you need help using the Cannon, we in Cannon Fever (or at least me) will help you progress your skill with the Cannon. After all, there's nothing like making the best lolyou'reserious? weapon in the game be more popular.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 699	Posted - 2013.10.15 07:34:00 - [40] - Quote you can claim that you are good with the PLC if you encountered all the PLC bugs... there are quite a few, I think 6 in total Aero Yassavi wrote: Hally Tari-Tari and Commander Marquess are amazing plasma cannon users. They both use the Allotek on their prototype Amarr Logistics. I used to think the plasma cannon was worthless, but these two players have done some amazing things with it, many of which blow my mind. lol proto... get STD stuff with STD PLC, one shot proto scrubs with it and get 300-500k payout at the end of the match

Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp 320	Posted - 2013.10.15 07:41:00 - [41] - Quote Our friend Gaz I don't know about his math but look at his performance ;)
Roldrage The Plasma Cannon Doctrine 211	Posted - 2013.10.15 07:46:00 - [42] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Our friend Gaz I don't know about his math but look at his performance ;) I've seen Ghaz in game, he is very good with the plc
Eversor Beercase Beer For Evil Mercs 48	Posted - 2013.10.15 08:08:00 - [43] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Our friend Gaz I don't know about his math but look at his performance ;) Ghaz is a great representative for the Cannon community. His videos are surely creating more plasmaniacs.
Chit Hoppened Venomous Rat Regeneration Vendors 49	Posted - 2013.10.15 08:33:00 - [44] - Quote Ghaz really did bring the Cannon to the forefront as a real possibility of a weapon. He's also a maniac (read: Plasma Cannon Fanatic/Purist), using the Cannon on a LogiBro suit. I am also one of the "purists", using a LogiBro Cannoneer to just do something different that most people would have never thought of, nor have the nuts (figuratively speaking for the lady Cannoneers out there) to try.


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