DUST Search - CCP's Universal "Equalizer"

Aisha Ctarl wrote:

CCP has noted before that the weekly cap is in place to prevent die hard players from reaching end game within a few months. When I think on this, I come to realize how little I care whether a player has reached "end game" or not. For example, I wouldn't quit CoD just because some players have already reached 15th prestige, also you don't see Treyarch or Activision, or whoever the hell makes CoD bashing players over the head for reaching end game too quickly - if that's their play style, so be it.

I don't really understand your fear CCP of there being large gaps of earned "skill" between new and old players. If you were truly worried about this, then shouldn't new players not have an SP cap at all until say they hit 3 million lifetime SP?

In a universe such as New Eden where the four races are distinctly different in not only beliefs, but fighting styles, why is there a weekly SP cap to try and make sure there are no runaway high SP characters? I thought the whole premise of New Eden was to fight your own war, to be different, to make a change in your own special way. How do you go about making a change and being different or having a better skillset when CCP has the SP cap to slap you in the face for playing I guess what the deem is "too much."

Another negative aspect of the cap is that it diminishes my desire to play once capped out. No offense CCP, but DUST is nowhere near fun enough to play once you're capped out. Why continue to play when you only earn 1500 SP (2000 SP with Omega Active Boosters) per match? It would take me five matches just to earn 10,000 SP which I can do when not capped out in just about one to one and a half matches. I'm sorry, but that is just downright infuriating.

SP rollover would be a godsend if this were ever implemented in the future. I could continue to play while "capped out" but say if I earn 30K SP while capped out, that 30K SP would be awarded to me on Wednesday when the cap is reset. If it were that way, it wouldn't feel as if I am playing for no reason while capped out because I'd know I will still be awarded those SP on Wednesday.

TL;DR - Yeah I was working towards Proto Amarr Logi when I reached 1.1 mil unallocated SP and then hit the SP cap Saturday - needless to say I was pretty livid. As I brooded in my room I began to think more in depth about the SP cap and yeah churned this thread out. This is probably a T_T thread but idk really...you be the judge, but hey at least I'm honest and admit that this thread is pretty much T_T - do I get honesty points or something?

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Aisha Ctarl PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1432	Posted - 2013.10.07 17:34:00 - [1] - Quote CCP has noted before that the weekly cap is in place to prevent die hard players from reaching end game within a few months. When I think on this, I come to realize how little I care whether a player has reached "end game" or not. For example, I wouldn't quit CoD just because some players have already reached 15th prestige, also you don't see Treyarch or Activision, or whoever the hell makes CoD bashing players over the head for reaching end game too quickly - if that's their play style, so be it. I don't really understand your fear CCP of there being large gaps of earned "skill" between new and old players. If you were truly worried about this, then shouldn't new players not have an SP cap at all until say they hit 3 million lifetime SP? In a universe such as New Eden where the four races are distinctly different in not only beliefs, but fighting styles, why is there a weekly SP cap to try and make sure there are no runaway high SP characters? I thought the whole premise of New Eden was to fight your own war, to be different, to make a change in your own special way. How do you go about making a change and being different or having a better skillset when CCP has the SP cap to slap you in the face for playing I guess what the deem is "too much." Another negative aspect of the cap is that it diminishes my desire to play once capped out. No offense CCP, but DUST is nowhere near fun enough to play once you're capped out. Why continue to play when you only earn 1500 SP (2000 SP with Omega Active Boosters) per match? It would take me five matches just to earn 10,000 SP which I can do when not capped out in just about one to one and a half matches. I'm sorry, but that is just downright infuriating. SP rollover would be a godsend if this were ever implemented in the future. I could continue to play while "capped out" but say if I earn 30K SP while capped out, that 30K SP would be awarded to me on Wednesday when the cap is reset. If it were that way, it wouldn't feel as if I am playing for no reason while capped out because I'd know I will still be awarded those SP on Wednesday. TL;DR - Yeah I was working towards Proto Amarr Logi when I reached 1.1 mil unallocated SP and then hit the SP cap Saturday - needless to say I was pretty livid. As I brooded in my room I began to think more in depth about the SP cap and yeah churned this thread out. This is probably a T_T thread but idk really...you be the judge, but hey at least I'm honest and admit that this thread is pretty much T_T - do I get honesty points or something?
GTA-V FTW Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 379	Posted - 2013.10.07 17:39:00 - [2] - Quote Meh, you can have a sugar cookie.
Aisha Ctarl PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1432	Posted - 2013.10.07 17:41:00 - [3] - Quote GTA-V FTW wrote: Meh, you can have a sugar cookie. Mission accomplished.
8213 Grade No.2 336	Posted - 2013.10.07 17:43:00 - [4] - Quote SP cap only hinders new players. However, I see no point in removing it. That would hinder AURUM sales and make no differnce to a 10+million SP player. Hmm, that was short.
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 573	Posted - 2013.10.07 17:46:00 - [5] - Quote Seems more like a negative opinion that a QQ. I once said that it would be cool to give players 7 days of triple SP starting the moment they get out of academy. This would allow them to catch up (Also mentioned starting with 0 sp and making you have to work your way back to 500k to get out of academy but w/e lol) `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.
Aisha Ctarl PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1432	Posted - 2013.10.07 17:47:00 - [6] - Quote 8213 wrote: SP cap only hinders new players. However, I see no point in removing it. That would hinder AURUM sales and make no differnce to a 10+million SP player. Hmm, that was short. Hmm, I forgot about the AURUM aspect. CCP figures that players will get impatient trying to obtain a certain level item and therefore by the AUR equivalent. The chances of that actually happening increases if there is a SP cap in place preventing players from getting what they want as quickly as they want THEREFORE THE SP CAP IS A MONEY MAKING PROCESS CCP HAS IMPLEMENTED INTO THE GAME! Yeah that's how conspiracy theories get started, but I had fun playing connect the dots just then. (yeah I'm bored out of my mind at work right now)
CrotchGrab 360 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 252	Posted - 2013.10.07 17:48:00 - [7] - Quote This is not COD.
Void Echo Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 1646	Posted - 2013.10.07 17:48:00 - [8] - Quote 8213 wrote: SP cap only hinders new players. However, I see no point in removing it. That would hinder AURUM sales and make no differnce to a 10+million SP player. Hmm, that was short. I see no point in keeping it, it hinders everyone that like to play this game and punishes those that support CCP. the sp cap is so annoying, once you hit it, theres no longer a point in playing the rest of the week other than to get the isk.
Void Echo Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 1646	Posted - 2013.10.07 17:49:00 - [9] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: This is not COD. with the power hungry infantry group controlling how ccp works this game, its almost a cod
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 1134	Posted - 2013.10.07 17:51:00 - [10] - Quote There's a difference between prestige and having 50 million so. You would have all core skills+maxed out weapons+proto suits+vehicles. Someone at 10 million so would be at a giant disavataged.

Aisha Ctarl PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1432	Posted - 2013.10.07 18:01:00 - [11] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: There's a difference between prestige and having 50 million so. You would have all core skills+maxed out weapons+proto suits+vehicles. Someone at 10 million so would be at a giant disavataged. But the one who has 50 million SP will have put in the time and earned it, the lower SP person can earn it too if they put in the time.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 1134	Posted - 2013.10.07 18:13:00 - [12] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: There's a difference between prestige and having 50 million so. You would have all core skills+maxed out weapons+proto suits+vehicles. Someone at 10 million so would be at a giant disavataged. But the one who has 50 million SP will have put in the time and earned it, the lower SP person can earn it too if they put in the time. Yeah but most players would not wanna sit there and grind to fight high SP players. New players get pup stomped now. Can you imagine if there was a 40-50 million sp gap? It would drive away new players and make the player count even lower. Edit: but I do agree that new players shoulsnt have a cap till 3-5 million sp. Maybe even give them double SP then they get there.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1875	Posted - 2013.10.07 18:14:00 - [13] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: 8213 wrote: SP cap only hinders new players. However, I see no point in removing it. That would hinder AURUM sales and make no differnce to a 10+million SP player. Hmm, that was short. Hmm, I forgot about the AURUM aspect. CCP figures that players will get impatient trying to obtain a certain level item and therefore by the AUR equivalent. The chances of that actually happening increases if there is a SP cap in place preventing players from getting what they want as quickly as they want THEREFORE THE SP CAP IS A MONEY MAKING PROCESS CCP HAS IMPLEMENTED INTO THE GAME! Yeah that's how conspiracy theories get started, but I had fun playing connect the dots just then. (yeah I'm bored out of my mind at work right now) over half of the people who use it have the skills to use it... you are over selling the sp in AUR items.
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 953	Posted - 2013.10.07 18:20:00 - [14] - Quote A good 10 million SP player can easily beat a bad 50 million player
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 352	Posted - 2013.10.07 18:27:00 - [15] - Quote If Dust was as promised there would be no end game because there would always be something to do an Eve contract to fulfill, a district to try and take over, however, CCP must realize that right now all they have developed is a grind game that they are trying desperately (in all the wrong ways) to convince us to keep playing.
Wey Yu Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.10.07 18:52:00 - [16] - Quote CCP must be in it for the long haul, so buying AUR is a false economy for you, in the corporation tree there is Transstellar Empire skill lol.
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 261	Posted - 2013.10.07 18:54:00 - [17] - Quote Slight difference in COD, all you get when you reach 15'th prestige is the stupid option to do it all over again from the start with some new shiny prestige marks. In this if you just ground like a mad man from the start (like some people do) you could easily reach full proto on everything in a couple of months.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2662	Posted - 2013.10.07 19:00:00 - [18] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: A good 10 million SP player can easily beat a bad 50 million player A Good 2 million SP tanker can beat a bad 10 million SP tanker.... mmmm tasty falchions.
Toby Flenderson research lab 84	Posted - 2013.10.07 19:13:00 - [19] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: CCP has noted before that the weekly cap is in place to prevent die hard players from reaching end game within a few months. When I think on this, I come to realize how little I care whether a player has reached "end game" or not. For example, I wouldn't quit CoD just because some players have already reached 15th prestige, also you don't see Treyarch or Activision, or whoever the hell makes CoD bashing players over the head for reaching end game too quickly - if that's their play style, so be it. I don't really understand your fear CCP of there being large gaps of earned "skill" between new and old players. If you were truly worried about this, then shouldn't new players not have an SP cap at all until say they hit 3 million lifetime SP? In a universe such as New Eden where the four races are distinctly different in not only beliefs, but fighting styles, why is there a weekly SP cap to try and make sure there are no runaway high SP characters? I thought the whole premise of New Eden was to fight your own war, to be different, to make a change in your own special way. How do you go about making a change and being different or having a better skillset when CCP has the SP cap to slap you in the face for playing I guess what the deem is "too much." Another negative aspect of the cap is that it diminishes my desire to play once capped out. No offense CCP, but DUST is nowhere near fun enough to play once you're capped out. Why continue to play when you only earn 1500 SP (2000 SP with Omega Active Boosters) per match? It would take me five matches just to earn 10,000 SP which I can do when not capped out in just about one to one and a half matches. I'm sorry, but that is just downright infuriating. SP rollover would be a godsend if this were ever implemented in the future. I could continue to play while "capped out" but say if I earn 30K SP while capped out, that 30K SP would be awarded to me on Wednesday when the cap is reset. If it were that way, it wouldn't feel as if I am playing for no reason while capped out because I'd know I will still be awarded those SP on Wednesday. TL;DR - Yeah I was working towards Proto Amarr Logi when I reached 1.1 mil unallocated SP and then hit the SP cap Saturday - needless to say I was pretty livid. As I brooded in my room I began to think more in depth about the SP cap and yeah churned this thread out. This is probably a T_T thread but idk really...you be the judge, but hey at least I'm honest and admit that this thread is pretty much T_T - do I get honesty points or something? I agree that the SP cap is more of a handicap to new players than to vets. I think the real way to do this would be either the rollover or better yet a universal cap. People are rewarded more for when they started playing rather than how much time they spend playing.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 430	Posted - 2013.10.07 19:18:00 - [20] - Quote I don't even have time to cap once in a week some weeks.

Lord Abbadd0n C A R D I N A L 1	Posted - 2013.10.07 19:41:00 - [21] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: There's a difference between prestige and having 50 million so. You would have all core skills+maxed out weapons+proto suits+vehicles. Someone at 10 million so would be at a giant disavataged. But the one who has 50 million SP will have put in the time and earned it, the lower SP person can earn it too if they put in the time. Yeah but most players would not wanna sit there and grind to fight high SP players. New players get pup stomped now. Can you imagine if there was a 40-50 million sp gap? It would drive away new players and make the player count even lower. Edit: but I do agree that new players shoulsnt have a cap till 3-5 million sp. Maybe even give them double SP then they get there. Faster SP gains actually helps newer players more than older players. If you can play with no cap and get +1,000,000 SP per week it has a much more noticeable effect when you are at 500,000 (it makes a huge difference across many core skills) than when you are at 25,000,000 (you can get uh... ALMOST get from hacking III to hacking V). That said, there is a cap because the people who are most likely to speed to end-game are also the people who are most likely to spend $$$ to eek out every last skillpoint within the weekly cap through boosters etc. So removing cap hurts the business model. A rolling cap would actually be perfect ... and is what the community wants ... whereby you have a permanent running pool that is increased by 190,000 each week as this would allow newer players to 'catch up'.
Blake Kingston Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 114	Posted - 2013.10.07 19:43:00 - [22] - Quote It helps ensure that for people who don't play as much, that the other guy who does is brooding in his bedroom rather than simply winning because of having extra spare time.
Aisha Ctarl PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1439	Posted - 2013.10.07 19:46:00 - [23] - Quote Blake Kingston wrote: It helps ensure that for people who don't play as much, that the other guy who does is brooding in his bedroom rather than simply winning because of having extra spare time. "I have more spare time, therefore I deserve more than other players who are supposed to have an equal opportunity" So in short you're saying it is a punishment imposed by CCP for liking and playing their game too much.
8213 Grade No.2 336	Posted - 2013.10.07 19:57:00 - [24] - Quote I cap in one day every time. Every other Thursday is my"DUST Day". I'll still play for ISK, fun, or if I'm squadding w/ friends. I may only make 10,000 SP in that session, but I still make few million ISK and have a good time. I won't buy a booster for this game until its a better working product; but quite frankly I have no need for boosters at this point, except maybe to better my HAV build. SP shouldn't be the only drive in this game, you'll go mad. And yes, SP is limited and tied directly to AURUM for revenue purposes. CCP deserves to have an opportunity to make money while they run the servers. Boosters are for a long term investment. I actually recommend buying them ASAP so SP can no longer hinder your fun in this game. Make friends. Make ISK. Make victory.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 245	Posted - 2013.10.07 20:01:00 - [25] - Quote Seems to me that the primary purpose of the cap is to encourage booster sales. If you are double Omega'd and play daily, you could earn upwards of 1 mil SP per week. For newer players who have money to spend and who are intent on catching up to vets, this is a worthwhile investment.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 519	Posted - 2013.10.07 20:05:00 - [26] - Quote You create too great a gulf in abilities you lose new player base. The game needs to be instantly playable and enjoyable. It needs variety not more and more power. It's a game. It's a product that needs to succeed in a market.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4439	Posted - 2013.10.07 20:19:00 - [27] - Quote I rarely reach the SP cap. So I don't care about the cap being there. However, an SP rollover system with a 1-week grace period should do the job.
Lysanna Soulreaver Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.10.07 20:29:00 - [28] - Quote I am a very new player. Got a few merc packs to help me get started and then noticed the expended sp not even a day or so later. Why would I ever buy a active booster again when I only benefit from it really like one day a week? Now I am just logging in for the login reward until Weds where I will get another day or so of SP to just stop playing again. The reason to stop is because it is not fun getting stomped by high SP players and squads and if I am not earning SP to eventually be able to compete... there is no point.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2257	Posted - 2013.10.07 21:06:00 - [29] - Quote CoD only lasts year, then you buy it all over again and everyone starts fom the beginning.
Blooticus DUST University Ivy League 37	Posted - 2013.10.07 22:56:00 - [30] - Quote Active SP was a road CCP should never have gone down. They need to give us more reasons to play. The easiest thing CCP could acomplish given the game as it is today, would be to make factional warfare somehow more interesting. It would give many players a reason to play and it would distract us from the lack of pve and the slow march of core fps mechanics and balance.

Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2120	Posted - 2013.10.07 23:26:00 - [31] - Quote CCP's greatest equalizers was making 80% of veteran players bored enough to leave DUST to allow nooberries to play the game with only minimal protoplayers.


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