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S Park Finner wrote:

ChromeBreaker wrote:

Its the $$$ thats holding me off right GTA/BF now. I never get a game off the bat, too many issues.

Dust on the other hand... why not... not like ive lost anything lol

There are a lot of threads that agree with this.
If I understand the argument it's that being free-to-play will give DUST 514 an edge up because players will drop in once and a while for a few games or to see what's changed recently. As the game gets better they stick around longer and over the long run the player base increases.

But clone117 says

Quote:

make gta v free and ill play it instead of dust....

and void echo said

Quote:

I think that most game companies are taking the example from CCP and are creating more sandbox games, if there are more sandbox games in the market, dust wont survive the 1st week in the current state its in.

Since there is reputed to be an industry trend to free-to-play games that -- in and of itself -- isn't a sustainable differentiator.

What else about DUST 514 do you get that you don't get from other games? What has CCP promised that will keep them different in the future and will keep you playing the game?

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S Park Finner DUST University Ivy League 313	Posted - 2013.10.07 13:21:00 - [1] - Quote CEOPyrex argues that DUST 514 can't compete in it's current design with BF4 and GTAOnline. Do you agree?
Cosgar ParagonX 5681	Posted - 2013.10.07 13:31:00 - [2] - Quote Compete with BF and GTA? This game still has issues that should have been resolved in early alpha, beta at the latest. I'd rather see CCP clean up their own yard before looking at what's in their neighbor's.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1069	Posted - 2013.10.07 13:38:00 - [3] - Quote ya this game isn't even relatively in the same area to be competing with triple A games, lucikly it doesn't really matter what they do as long as they keep their player base up.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1698	Posted - 2013.10.07 13:51:00 - [4] - Quote S Park Finner wrote: CEOPyrex argues that DUST 514 can't compete in it's current design with BF4 and GTAOnline. Do you agree? And Eve can't compete with WoW. So f*ing what?
S Park Finner DUST University Ivy League 313	Posted - 2013.10.07 14:00:00 - [5] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: S Park Finner wrote: CEOPyrex argues that DUST 514 can't compete in it's current design with BF4 and GTAOnline. Do you agree? And Eve can't compete with WoW. So fing what? That's an excellent point. Does it have to? He can certainly speak for himself -- but I think the point of the video is that like it or not, with the current feature set and game types DUST 514 provides, those other games compete with it. And though EVE does not compete head-on with WoW, DUST 514 isn't different enough to avoid competition with the likes of BF4*. If I understand you correctly, it sounds like you believe DUST 514 is different enough to stand on it's own in the face of those games. Which of it's features -- current or projected -- leads you to think that?
Karl Koekwaus Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 191	Posted - 2013.10.07 14:02:00 - [6] - Quote at least in Dust your progress gets saved and logging in works. You can even start a battle and it works. GTA online has a lot going for it, but like with dust at this point it's all potential as nothing works reliable yet. Played BF4 for a bit, but for all the hype the game receives, i found it underwhelming :(
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 763	Posted - 2013.10.07 14:18:00 - [7] - Quote It's not about competition or having the biggeest E-Stick, it's about playing the games you like. BF4 and GTA are simply not my cup of Quafe.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 819	Posted - 2013.10.07 14:35:00 - [8] - Quote S Park Finner wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: S Park Finner wrote: CEOPyrex argues that DUST 514 can't compete in it's current design with BF4 and GTAOnline. Do you agree? And Eve can't compete with WoW. So fing what? That's an excellent point. Does it have to? He can certainly speak for himself -- but I think the point of the video is that like it or not, with the current feature set and game types DUST 514 provides, those other games compete with it. And though EVE does not compete head-on with WoW, DUST 514 isn't different enough to avoid competition with the likes of BF4*. If I understand you correctly, it sounds like you believe DUST 514 is different enough to stand on it's own in the face of those games. Which of it's features -- current or projected -- leads you to think that? For now, its in direct competition! The formulamis the same just with a few extra twists! Until DUST becomes truely unique, it can't compete, be when it does, it won't have to!
S Park Finner DUST University Ivy League 313	Posted - 2013.10.07 14:35:00 - [9] - Quote Anarchide wrote: It's not about competition or having the biggeest E-Stick, it's about playing the games you like. BF4 and GTA are simply not my cup of Quafe. That seems completely fair from an individual point of view. Even so, CCP is a business. Their stated intent is to continue to support DUST 514 and it's development. The smaller the number of players the lower the on-going revenue and the slower the development. Everyone has to run on a budget. While that is going on with DUST 514 the other developers are driving ahead with their own new initiatives. To return to the original question... what are the things about DUST 514 that make it attractive to you that the other games don't provide? As something of an aside... studies of free-to-play games suggest that only about 4% of players ever buy anything from the developer. Of those, 80% only buy "deals" that they feel are especially worth while. The remaining 20% -- 1% or less of total players -- are the "whales" that fund the game. I suspect all those percentages are higher for DUST 514 because the remaining players are those distilled from all the casual players.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1372	Posted - 2013.10.07 14:39:00 - [10] - Quote Its the $$$ thats holding me off right GTA/BF now. I never get a game off the bat, too many issues. Dust on the other hand... why not... not like ive lost anything lol

Void Echo Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 1645	Posted - 2013.10.07 14:55:00 - [11] - Quote I think that most game companies are taking the example from CCP and are creating more sandbox games, if there are more sandbox games in the market, dust wont survive the 1st week in the current state its in.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 395	Posted - 2013.10.07 14:57:00 - [12] - Quote make gta v free and ill play it instead of dust....
S Park Finner DUST University Ivy League 313	Posted - 2013.10.07 16:37:00 - [13] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: Its the $$$ thats holding me off right GTA/BF now. I never get a game off the bat, too many issues. Dust on the other hand... why not... not like ive lost anything lol There are a lot of threads that agree with this. If I understand the argument it's that being free-to-play will give DUST 514 an edge up because players will drop in once and a while for a few games or to see what's changed recently. As the game gets better they stick around longer and over the long run the player base increases. But clone117 says Quote: make gta v free and ill play it instead of dust.... and void echo said Quote: I think that most game companies are taking the example from CCP and are creating more sandbox games, if there are more sandbox games in the market, dust wont survive the 1st week in the current state its in. Since there is reputed to be an industry trend to free-to-play games that -- in and of itself -- isn't a sustainable differentiator. What else about DUST 514 do you get that you don't get from other games? What has CCP promised that will keep them different in the future and will keep you playing the game?
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 767	Posted - 2013.10.07 17:06:00 - [14] - Quote ...it's about EVE?
S Park Finner DUST University Ivy League 313	Posted - 2013.10.07 17:14:00 - [15] - Quote Anarchide wrote: ...it's about EVE? OK! The only FPS in the EVE Universe. That brings back story and with it a pile of reasons for things rather than their being magic. So people who like the idea of having a game make a kind of sense could prefer DUST 514 over other games because of that. What else?
GTA-V FTW Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 378	Posted - 2013.10.07 17:14:00 - [16] - Quote GTA V and BF4 will never be DUST's compotetion. They would have to be a garbage, broken, lobby FPS in order to be in the same league as DUST first. Considering they are both AAA's made by Devs who know what they are doing, CCP should not have to worry about them.
jin foxdale Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 67	Posted - 2013.10.07 17:22:00 - [17] - Quote <-------- he's what will will keep me coming back. I've poured blood, sweat, tears and a small amount of money into getting him to where he is today, and have no intention of leaving him to fester whilst I grind through the motions of another e-character. Its this reason I don't have an alt. I'm fully, 100% invested in jin foxdale. (as far as video games go anyway - in the real world its all about the wife and kids - now theres a time sink!)
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 218	Posted - 2013.10.07 17:24:00 - [18] - Quote No grief on CCP but i'm positive they will improve!
Cosgar ParagonX 5695	Posted - 2013.10.07 17:25:00 - [19] - Quote GTA-V FTW wrote: GTA V and BF4 will never be DUST's compotetion. They would have to be a garbage, broken, lobby FPS in order to be in the same league as DUST first. Considering they are both AAA's made by Devs who know what they are doing, CCP should not have to worry about them. Shouldn't you be struggling to get online with GTA V?
S Park Finner DUST University Ivy League 313	Posted - 2013.10.07 17:26:00 - [20] - Quote GTA-V FTW wrote: GTA V and BF4 will never be DUST's compotetion. They would have to be a garbage, broken, lobby FPS in order to be in the same league as DUST first. Considering they are both AAA's made by Devs who know what they are doing, CCP should not have to worry about them. Your underlying point about the experience of the various studios is well taken -- if not very elegantly expressed. DICE has had 21 years (I believe they started out in 1992) to polish their objectives and tools and they've been focusing on FPSs for, what, the last 10 years? With a 15 year head start, a team almost as big as all of CCP, their own game engine and tools, and several years of BF4 development there's good reason their product should be more polished than CCP's. That doesn't mean, though, that CCP can't carve out a space for itself if it delivers things people want that other entrants in the market place don't provide. It's those things -- either delivered or promised -- that I'm looking for the community to bring up.

crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1803	Posted - 2013.10.07 17:30:00 - [21] - Quote It was able to when we had skirmish 1.0 Bases would fly out the sky, matches had muliple ways to win and lose. Oh man dust WAS such a good game, like, oh man, so good.
GTA-V FTW Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 378	Posted - 2013.10.07 17:35:00 - [22] - Quote Cosgar wrote: GTA-V FTW wrote: GTA V and BF4 will never be DUST's compotetion. They would have to be a garbage, broken, lobby FPS in order to be in the same league as DUST first. Considering they are both AAA's made by Devs who know what they are doing, CCP should not have to worry about them. Shouldn't you be struggling to get online with GTA V? Nope GTA V is SP, GTA O is MP. GTA V has worked for me since day one.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1803	Posted - 2013.10.07 17:35:00 - [23] - Quote S Park Finner wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: Its the $$$ thats holding me off right GTA/BF now. I never get a game off the bat, too many issues. Dust on the other hand... why not... not like ive lost anything lol There are a lot of threads that agree with this. If I understand the argument it's that being free-to-play will give DUST 514 an edge up because players will drop in once and a while for a few games or to see what's changed recently. As the game gets better they stick around longer and over the long run the player base increases. But clone117 says Quote: make gta v free and ill play it instead of dust.... and void echo said Quote: I think that most game companies are taking the example from CCP and are creating more sandbox games, if there are more sandbox games in the market, dust wont survive the 1st week in the current state its in. Since there is reputed to be an industry trend to free-to-play games that -- in and of itself -- isn't a sustainable differentiator. What else about DUST 514 do you get that you don't get from other games? What has CCP promised that will keep them different in the future and will keep you playing the game? -A real player market -You can call in small mini turrets or large turrrets and depots, and use them to dish out some extra damage or create your own fortified base in the middle of a match -Every map you capture in PC will be different and you can run around in a huge sandbox PvE world, but it's own YOUR map hat YOU defend. It's the only one of it's kind and you learn the massive layout while cruising in your fighter jet looking over the land you've captured -Waterless world just because I can see a planet is 80% water doesn't mean I want water on the map like GTA 5 or BF4! water is dumb and far to hard to program anyways, as long as I play dust I get to play a dusty fps.
S Park Finner DUST University Ivy League 313	Posted - 2013.10.07 17:36:00 - [24] - Quote jin foxdale wrote: (Points at his character) ... he's what will will keep me coming back. I've poured blood, sweat, tears and a small amount of money into getting him to where he is today, and have no intention of leaving him to fester whilst I grind through the motions of another e-character. Its this reason I don't have an alt. I'm fully, 100% invested in jin foxdale. (as far as video games go anyway - in the real world its all about the wife and kids - now theres a time sink!) All right -- commitment to the character you create in DUST 514 in a way other games don't provide. I'd argue that comes from more flexible customization and less forced character classes tied with the SP investment and time it takes to build just the character you want so you can play just the way you want.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1186	Posted - 2013.10.07 17:57:00 - [25] - Quote What happens to my BF4 character when BF5 comes out?
S Park Finner DUST University Ivy League 313	Posted - 2013.10.07 18:00:00 - [26] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: -A real player market -You can call in small mini turrets or large turrrets and depots, and use them to dish out some extra damage or create your own fortified base in the middle of a match -Every map you capture in PC will be different and you can run around in a huge sandbox PvE world, but it's own YOUR map hat YOU defend. It's the only one of it's kind and you learn the massive layout while cruising in your fighter jet looking over the land you've captured -Waterless world just because I can see a planet is 80% water doesn't mean I want water on the map like GTA 5 or BF4! water is dumb and far to hard to program anyways, as long as I play dust I get to play a dusty fps. Just to keep the list going... Some of these are futures but they've been discussed as "on the roadmap/backlog" Player market (in a EVE based FPS) Calling in persistent game assets - - The difference between DUST 514 and others is the difference between player control over calling in your own tank/turret/what-ever as opposed to having them spawn / respawn on the battlefield. Greater variation in maps with mix-and-match installations and terrain which will build over time as new assets are created. Potential for ownership of territory. - - Though this isn't visible to the troops on the ground in any plans I've seen. Players can't go to a location their corporation owns and just fly/walk/drive around and have the place have the same layout it had the last time they were there. Things I didn't include... Fighter jets -- certainly a thing lots of folks like and would want but not different for DUST 514 than for other similar games. Waterless world -- just because lack of an option doesn't seem like a differentiating feature.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws 1158	Posted - 2013.10.07 18:00:00 - [27] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: What happens to my BF4 character when BF5 comes out? Back to grinding for barrels, sights, and equipment. ^_^
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 1045	Posted - 2013.10.07 18:07:00 - [28] - Quote I think of GTA V and BF4 as high rpm, short-stroke, high horsepower products. I think of EVE & DUST as low rpm, long-stroke, high torque products. I like them both, but it's pretty hard to mistake one for the other, once you know what to look for.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1186	Posted - 2013.10.07 18:11:00 - [29] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: What happens to my BF4 character when BF5 comes out? Back to grinding for barrels, sights, and equipment. ^_^ Exactly... All the time I put into BF4 means nothing when BF5 comes out. Edit: Add to this the ability to leave for days, months, even years, then come back and take up exactly where you left off. No, wait, it would be beyond where you left off since you donGÇÖt have to cancel your account on a Free to Play game, my characters would be accumulating skill points while I am gone. DUST is a really easy game to come back to. You donGÇÖt have to grind for a week to become competitive again. ____________________________________________________________________________ Immortal Guides, supporting knowledge dissemination in New Eden since August 31, 2013.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1700	Posted - 2013.10.07 18:16:00 - [30] - Quote S Park Finner wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: S Park Finner wrote: CEOPyrex argues that DUST 514 can't compete in it's current design with BF4 and GTAOnline. Do you agree? And Eve can't compete with WoW. So fing what? That's an excellent point. Does it have to? He can certainly speak for himself -- but I think the point of the video is that like it or not, with the current feature set and game types DUST 514 provides, those other games compete with it. And though EVE does not compete head-on with WoW, DUST 514 isn't different enough to avoid competition with the likes of BF4. If I understand you correctly, it sounds like you believe DUST 514 is different enough to stand on it's own in the face of those games. Which of it's features -- current or projected -- leads you to think that? I don't think it has anything to set it apart right now. It's the central theme of this game to look forward to what might be, rather than accept the sub-standard there is, but its potential connection to another MMO, its potential for more meaningful team & clan-based combat, and its potential for meta-gaming & broader strategy elements sets it apart from other games. Even though right now it is just another lobby shooter, we can't go comparing it to other lobby shooters like it should be competing with them. That'd be like comparing a decathlete's performance in the 100m to Usain Bolt and telling them they'll never win gold. We still have 9 events to go yet.



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