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low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:49:00 -
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you should lose your biggest skill. just as being podded in eve.
that's my opinion. anyone agree or disagree? |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2649
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:50:00 -
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The last thing this game needs is making the skill grind even worse. |
Sarcastic Dreamkiller
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:52:00 -
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if you die 20 times in a match you should be kicked from the game. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
5659
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:58:00 -
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I'd rather see individual players paying for clone packs or have this as a null sec thing. |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
1029
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:58:00 -
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You don't lose skills from being podded in EVE - unless you forgot to update your medical clone. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1864
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:59:00 -
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what if you don't have any SP spent and you do it on purpose? |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
629
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Posted - 2013.10.07 00:03:00 -
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well, that's not what I expected.
how many times would you have to die in a match before being reprimanded properly? kicked from the game is no reprimand, and there must be repercussions to suicideing yourself 20 times, or playing in such a stupid manner that you die 20 times. |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
629
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Posted - 2013.10.07 00:04:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:You don't lose skills from being podded in EVE - unless you forgot to update your medical clone.
that's certainly not the only way to lose skillpoints in eve. |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
629
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Posted - 2013.10.07 00:05:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:I'd rather see individual players paying for clone packs or have this as a null sec thing.
not even in low-sec? i'm not against high-sec being carebear land, but low-sec is serious business |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
629
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Posted - 2013.10.07 00:06:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:The last thing this game needs is making the skill grind even worse.
really? we're 9 months in and we're running out of things to skill. there are guys in my corp that are sitting on 3.5m sp just waiting for an update |
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1622
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Posted - 2013.10.07 00:07:00 -
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Ohhh, i see where all the stupid ideas are coming from now ....
Only in EvE anyone will think this is a "good" idea.
EvE forums ;
- So, guys, how can we **** Dust 514 even more ? Any suggestions ? |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
629
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Posted - 2013.10.07 00:10:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Ohhh, i see where all the stupid ideas are coming from now ....
Only in EvE anyone will think this is a "good" idea.
EvE forums ;
- So, guys, how can we **** Dust 514 even more ? Any suggestions ?
this is more of a 'can we get people to play a little smarter?' kind of a thread.
I started playing eve because they announced dust. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1622
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Posted - 2013.10.07 00:17:00 -
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low genius wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Ohhh, i see where all the stupid ideas are coming from now ....
Only in EvE anyone will think this is a "good" idea.
EvE forums ;
- So, guys, how can we **** Dust 514 even more ? Any suggestions ? this is more of a 'can we get people to play a little smarter?' kind of a thread. I started playing eve because they announced dust.
Oh.. it will definitely do that, every time people plays in a Pubstomped server they will just do the "smart" thing, and leave the battle... |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
464
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Posted - 2013.10.07 00:29:00 -
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low genius wrote:Baal Roo wrote:The last thing this game needs is making the skill grind even worse. really? we're 9 months in and we're running out of things to skill. there are guys in my corp that are sitting on 3.5m sp just waiting for an update And there are some people who have yet to get to where they want to be. This is a terrible idea. |
Keri Starlight
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
638
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Posted - 2013.10.07 00:31:00 -
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I went quite close to this result once. My final score was 46-18 with an alt character (that I made just to play with cheap gear and have fun without worrying about stats) and it was one of the most intense games I've ever played.
Game mode was Domination and the map was the new one with the underground section and the null cannon right down there. A perfect hell.
So no, I disagree, I never died that much before, but it actually *might* happen if you play very aggressively (which I do not with this character)... and even if my KDR was not great, I'm pretty sure my team would have lost without me.
It was fun.
Suicide trolling is a different story, but who does that? I can't believe someone can have fun suiciding over and over... and over... ... wow, you really must be bored...! |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
1931
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Posted - 2013.10.07 00:34:00 -
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low genius wrote:you should lose your biggest skill. just as being podded in eve.
that's my opinion. anyone agree or disagree?
Disagree - there are times when you are being seriously outmatched - in Eve this the loss of a pod is usually due to being AFK or stupidity/ignorance instead of GTFO. In Dust, it happens when you are working your ass off and trying to win. No reason to punish trying. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
1931
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Posted - 2013.10.07 00:35:00 -
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low genius wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:You don't lose skills from being podded in EVE - unless you forgot to update your medical clone. that's certainly not the only way to lose skillpoints in eve.
The only other way is losing a T3 ship. |
Meeko Fent
DUST University Ivy League
1077
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Posted - 2013.10.07 00:50:00 -
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low genius wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Ohhh, i see where all the stupid ideas are coming from now ....
Only in EvE anyone will think this is a "good" idea.
EvE forums ;
- So, guys, how can we **** Dust 514 even more ? Any suggestions ? this is more of a 'can we get people to play a little smarter?' kind of a thread. I started playing eve because they announced dust. This is just a punishment to New guys for a **** matchmaker.
Its not "Smart" for a game that's all about dieing to punish people for doing so.
It really isn't.
DUST is EVE for the console player.
And the Console player isn't into having to restart a bunch of times cause they played the game in a reckless way. If I wanted to be really careful, then I would play the Sims, but I'm not.
I'm playing a shooter, where I kill and die.
Punishing the main point of a shooter is a surefire way to kill it.
The current punishment for death is adequate. You lose a suit, which can be made back in a very short amount of time.
You lose a 500k SP skill, and it takes you weeks to train it back.
How many new guys do you think are willing to deal with **** like that? |
We are 138
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
393
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Posted - 2013.10.07 01:07:00 -
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When I am playing objective game types I push the objective with my squad, if there are heavy hitters on the opposing team then it is likely that I will have double digit deaths this does not phase me though as my load out costs about 8k. OP, did your team lose because of getting cloned out and this post is a biproduct of your rage? |
Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men.
88
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Posted - 2013.10.07 01:11:00 -
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So what if i kill 40 clones but dies 20 times... |
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Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
1404
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Posted - 2013.10.07 01:16:00 -
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i 'lol' that people actually wrote out legit responses to this thread. |
Keri Starlight
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
640
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Posted - 2013.10.07 01:23:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:i 'lol' that people actually wrote out legit responses to this thread.
You're right... and I'm among them. lol. |
deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
24
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Posted - 2013.10.07 01:32:00 -
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What if your being greifed by a melee injector exploit, where you invite someone on other team to chat channel and organize to rapid kill someone as a wp farm? It's near impossible to quit the game when this happened to me |
Thumb Green
Novashift
444
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Posted - 2013.10.07 01:33:00 -
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And then the player base dwindles even more. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1084
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Posted - 2013.10.07 01:34:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:I'd rather see individual players paying for clone packs or have this as a null sec thing.
I think this is how it should work in PVE. |
Sgt Buttscratch
SLAPHAPPY BANDITS
877
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Posted - 2013.10.07 01:38:00 -
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If you die 20 times in one match CCP should see this whilst they are looking at other server stats and maybe consider implamenting a matchmaking system, rather than just saying they implamented a matchmaking system.
As for the poor sod who died 20x, sucks to be him and I'm sure he aint to happy about it. Any other punishment than that is severe and not needd
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
461
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Posted - 2013.10.07 01:40:00 -
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If yer dyin' 20+ times per match you are doing the full ret4rd.
Or something close.
Never do the full ret4rd.
Munch |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
823
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Posted - 2013.10.07 01:47:00 -
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low genius wrote:well, that's not what I expected.
how many times would you have to die in a match before being reprimanded properly? kicked from the game is no reprimand, and there must be repercussions to suicideing yourself 20 times, or playing in such a stupid manner that you die 20 times.
Playing while wife is on phone. Topic closed. |
knight of 6
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
343
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Posted - 2013.10.07 01:55:00 -
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there are two ways to lose skill points in EvE forgetting to update your clone and getting podded or losing a tech 3. losing normal ships or up to date clones has nothing but financial repercussions.
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2662
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:05:00 -
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low genius wrote:Baal Roo wrote:The last thing this game needs is making the skill grind even worse. really? we're 9 months in and we're running out of things to skill. there are guys in my corp that are sitting on 3.5m sp just waiting for an update
Maybe slow down a bit? I mean, the game has two game modes and 5 maps, I honestly can't comprehend how some of you guys can cap every week with such little content available.
I know I'm not even anywhere vaguely close to "running out of things to skill" and the biggest thing that keeps me from playing the game is getting tired of needing to wait for weeks on end just to upgrade a skill by 2% or unlock a a new piece of gear that is only 5% better than the last piece of gear I had.
The grind vs. the amount of content in this game is insanely lopsided, to the point of being laughable. |
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dogmanpig
black market bank
17
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:18:00 -
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Powerh8er wrote:So what if i kill 0 clones but die 50 times... fixed for you. |
Blake Kingston
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
109
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:22:00 -
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Perhaps we should stop talking about clone deaths and talk about kill ratio?
Someone going 20/20...tough, that's how it is. |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
633
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:30:00 -
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We are 138 wrote:When I am playing objective game types I push the objective with my squad, if there are heavy hitters on the opposing team then it is likely that I will have double digit deaths this does not phase me though as my load out costs about 8k. OP, did your team lose because of getting cloned out and this post is a biproduct of your rage?
Oh would like to add that my squad and I win games by relentlessly pushing the objective. Although there are some situations where you have to realize that you are out matched and play defensively as well
no rage, just curiosity as to what the community feels about this game. |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
633
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:31:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:low genius wrote:Baal Roo wrote:The last thing this game needs is making the skill grind even worse. really? we're 9 months in and we're running out of things to skill. there are guys in my corp that are sitting on 3.5m sp just waiting for an update Maybe slow down a bit? I mean, the game has two game modes and 5 maps, I honestly can't comprehend how some of you guys can cap every week with such little content available. I know I'm not even anywhere vaguely close to "running out of things to skill" and the biggest thing that keeps me from playing the game is getting tired of needing to wait for weeks on end just to upgrade a skill by 2% or unlock a a new piece of gear that is only 5% better than the last piece of gear I had. The grind vs. the amount of content in this game is insanely lopsided, to the point of being laughable. Having to play the same 5 maps for 10-15 hours a week, every week, for months on end, just to get a character that can properly compete with those willing to treat the game like a part time job is (IMO) why no one plays anymore.
that's fair. what about in a different game mode? if there were some hardcore gamemode where skillpoints were at stake, would you play it? |
Justice Prevails
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:33:00 -
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The elitists of this game are b****ing about blueberries not pushing for objectives. Then they break the blueberries' b***s about dying too much while pushing objectives. Give me a break dude. |
THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
195
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:34:00 -
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low genius wrote:you should lose your biggest skill. just as being podded in eve.
that's my opinion. anyone agree or disagree? Fine, if you make racial suits cost the same as a weapon to skill in to and actually have proper matchmaking. |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
633
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:35:00 -
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Blake Kingston wrote:Perhaps we should stop talking about clone deaths and talk about kill ratio?
Someone going 20/20...tough, that's how it is.
so, what's the bottom line? how negative does a guy's kdr have to be before he's not worth having on the battlefield? |
Meeko Fent
DUST University Ivy League
1081
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:36:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:low genius wrote:Baal Roo wrote:The last thing this game needs is making the skill grind even worse. really? we're 9 months in and we're running out of things to skill. there are guys in my corp that are sitting on 3.5m sp just waiting for an update Maybe slow down a bit? I mean, the game has two game modes and 5 maps, I honestly can't comprehend how some of you guys can cap every week with such little content available. I know I'm not even anywhere vaguely close to "running out of things to skill" and the biggest thing that keeps me from playing the game is getting tired of needing to wait for weeks on end just to upgrade a skill by 2% or unlock a a new piece of gear that is only 5% better than the last piece of gear I had. The grind vs. the amount of content in this game is insanely lopsided, to the point of being laughable. Having to play the same 5 maps for 10-15 hours a week, every week, for months on end, just to get a character that can properly compete with those willing to treat the game like a part time job is (IMO) why no one plays anymore. Exactly. |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
633
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:36:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:low genius wrote:you should lose your biggest skill. just as being podded in eve.
that's my opinion. anyone agree or disagree? Fine, if you make racial suits cost the same as a weapon to skill in to and actually have proper matchmaking.
so, assuming you could dictate who you play against, or at least what level you play against. also if 'major' skills were a standardized sp amount?
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low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
633
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:38:00 -
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Justice Prevails wrote: The elitists of this game are b****ing about blueberries not pushing for objectives. Then they break the blueberries' b***s about dying too much while pushing objectives. Give me a break dude.
this is a situation that does not exist. i'm not saying it should be in the next update. i'm curious as to what the community thinks a useless player looks like. among other things. |
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Void Echo
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
1643
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:40:00 -
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low genius wrote:you should lose your biggest skill. just as being podded in eve.
that's my opinion. anyone agree or disagree?
I see why you named yourself that now... |
knight of 6
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
343
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:41:00 -
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low genius wrote:Blake Kingston wrote:Perhaps we should stop talking about clone deaths and talk about kill ratio?
Someone going 20/20...tough, that's how it is. so, what's the bottom line? how negative does a guy's kdr have to be before he's not worth having on the battlefield? there is not a bottom line, there is more than one way to make use of yourself on the battlefield. if he dies 50 times but hacks and defends every objective on the map then he is worth it. if he dies resing you so you can go on and fight he's worth it. if he runs around with a rep tool and gets 50 deaths 0 kills but keeps everyone up to full armor he's worth it. their is no magical point when KDR becomes more important than WP. |
dogmanpig
black market bank
17
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:42:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:low genius wrote:you should lose your biggest skill. just as being podded in eve.
that's my opinion. anyone agree or disagree? I see why you named yourself that now... my biggest skill is corp at level 1
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Void Echo
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
1643
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:45:00 -
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dogmanpig wrote:Void Echo wrote:low genius wrote:you should lose your biggest skill. just as being podded in eve.
that's my opinion. anyone agree or disagree? I see why you named yourself that now... my biggest skill is corp at level 1 I care why? |
Justice Prevails
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:53:00 -
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low genius wrote:Justice Prevails wrote: The elitists of this game are b****ing about blueberries not pushing for objectives. Then they break the blueberries' b***s about dying too much while pushing objectives. Give me a break dude. this is a situation that does not exist. i'm not saying it should be in the next update. i'm curious as to what the community thinks a useless player looks like. among other things.
Someone not trying at all would be useless. But if your not going to try, why play at all? The only people would be griefers and trolls. When I first started I died 20x a few times because I was too dumb to know when I was beat. My career kdr still suffers. But I learned over time. As long as effort is given, someone cannot be deemed useless. |
Borne Velvalor
BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY
14
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:55:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:dogmanpig wrote:Void Echo wrote:low genius wrote:you should lose your biggest skill. just as being podded in eve.
that's my opinion. anyone agree or disagree? I see why you named yourself that now... my biggest skill is corp at level 1 I care why?
You don't. Boy, that was a tough one.
Oh, wait. You meant "I should care, why?" Another tough one. You shouldn't. |
dogmanpig
black market bank
17
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:57:00 -
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might go on and mass suicide soon ish in FW. |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
633
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Posted - 2013.10.07 03:23:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:low genius wrote:Blake Kingston wrote:Perhaps we should stop talking about clone deaths and talk about kill ratio?
Someone going 20/20...tough, that's how it is. so, what's the bottom line? how negative does a guy's kdr have to be before he's not worth having on the battlefield? there is not a bottom line, there is more than one way to make use of yourself on the battlefield. if he dies 50 times but hacks and defends every objective on the map then he is worth it. if he dies resing you so you can go on and fight he's worth it. if he runs around with a rep tool and gets 50 deaths 0 kills but keeps everyone up to full armor he's worth it. their is no magical point when KDR becomes more important than WP.
if he dies 50 times he's spawning for 8 minutes. you don't mean that. |
SgtDoughnut
Red Star Jr. EoN.
258
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Posted - 2013.10.07 03:27:00 -
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Sounds like a T3 suit thing :P |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
495
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Posted - 2013.10.07 03:51:00 -
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Death is already discouraged as is since you are using fits that cost ISK to use, adding SP/skill loss to that would be stupid, really stupid.
As other people have already said, punishing people this way for trying your best to win a match is the surest way to kill a game, I would certainly be very pissed if I lost my progress on scout suits and having a bunch of invalid fits because of it.
Your idea is bad and you should feel bad about it. |
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Bannana Boat Corp
302
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Posted - 2013.10.07 03:58:00 -
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My reply is simple - Ambush sometimes the computer simply refuses to spawn you in a place where you can even look around before dying, let alone take any preventative action. Should the player be punished for that? admittedly 20 times is largely unheard of but still the game is messed up sometimes. |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
633
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Posted - 2013.10.07 04:42:00 -
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:My reply is simple - Ambush sometimes the computer simply refuses to spawn you in a place where you can even look around before dying, let alone take any preventative action. Should the player be punished for that? admittedly 20 times is largely unheard of but still the game is messed up sometimes.
ambush is high-sec stuff. what about in low sec? is it a bad idea in a real match? |
Avinash Decker
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2013.10.07 07:04:00 -
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low genius wrote:Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:My reply is simple - Ambush sometimes the computer simply refuses to spawn you in a place where you can even look around before dying, let alone take any preventative action. Should the player be punished for that? admittedly 20 times is largely unheard of but still the game is messed up sometimes. ambush is high-sec stuff. what about in low sec? is it a bad idea in a real match?
It's a bad idea all around. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
628
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Posted - 2013.10.07 07:12:00 -
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low genius wrote:you should lose your biggest skill. just as being podded in eve.
that's my opinion. anyone agree or disagree? if someone posts such stupid ideas, he should get his account deleted
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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
658
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Posted - 2013.10.07 07:52:00 -
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low genius wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:You don't lose skills from being podded in EVE - unless you forgot to update your medical clone. that's certainly not the only way to lose skillpoints in eve.
The otherway is getting killed in a Tech III Tactical cruiser where when you loose your biggest skill of said cruiser, it takes 4 days to get it back.
And thats the only way to loose SP, while having an updated clone, that said i would really like a Tech III suit here on the ground and loose SP if it meant dying in it, though going 150-0 in one would not be really hard either. |
dogmanpig
black market bank
17
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Posted - 2013.10.07 08:01:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:low genius wrote:you should lose your biggest skill. just as being podded in eve.
that's my opinion. anyone agree or disagree? if someone posts such stupid ideas, he should get his account deleted good idea, lets start with yours. |
demonkiller 12
G.U.T.Z
241
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Posted - 2013.10.07 08:08:00 -
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low genius wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Ohhh, i see where all the stupid ideas are coming from now ....
Only in EvE anyone will think this is a "good" idea.
EvE forums ;
- So, guys, how can we **** Dust 514 even more ? Any suggestions ? this is more of a 'can we get people to play a little smarter?' kind of a thread. I started playing eve because they announced dust. you dont want to make the game harder, we already have next to no players, if your team sucks then man the **** up and carry them |
dogmanpig
black market bank
17
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Posted - 2013.10.07 08:10:00 -
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low genius wrote:knight of 6 wrote:low genius wrote:Blake Kingston wrote:Perhaps we should stop talking about clone deaths and talk about kill ratio?
Someone going 20/20...tough, that's how it is. so, what's the bottom line? how negative does a guy's kdr have to be before he's not worth having on the battlefield? there is not a bottom line, there is more than one way to make use of yourself on the battlefield. if he dies 50 times but hacks and defends every objective on the map then he is worth it. if he dies resing you so you can go on and fight he's worth it. if he runs around with a rep tool and gets 50 deaths 0 kills but keeps everyone up to full armor he's worth it. their is no magical point when KDR becomes more important than WP. if he dies 50 times he's spawning for 8 minutes. you don't mean that. or was caught up in with a booster and got revived for the other side to farm kills for 2minutes |
HYENAKILLER X
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
276
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Posted - 2013.10.07 08:19:00 -
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If you die 20 times its because you are the only guy on your team trying to win a skirm/dom match. |
dogmanpig
black market bank
17
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Posted - 2013.10.07 08:21:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:If you die 20 times its because you are the only guy on your team trying to win a skirm/dom match. or your the only guy trying to lose the match. |
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Stevez Lau
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2013.10.07 08:41:00 -
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low genius wrote:you should lose your biggest skill. just as being podded in eve.
that's my opinion. anyone agree or disagree?
You are stupid, people will just leave the game at 19 deaths. Less of this crap and more posting about features that we want for the game that don't involve stuff that make the grind even more boring.
How about a skill system that makes me still want to play after I am capped? |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
515
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Posted - 2013.10.07 09:49:00 -
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If you die 20 times then you should remember it's just a stupid game and keep playing for the enjoyment.
I'm still not sure how a person's intelligence nor their skill with a joystick is supposed to dictate any f*cking thing in a video game! |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1138
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:19:00 -
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After reading this thread I thought ye hell why not awox some faction warfair .... so this morning inwent out in my free suit and tryed all the normal bluberry tactics like running strait at enimy tanks and tgrowing myself infront of heavys whilst spraying and praying ... no matter how hard I tried I coldent get to that 20 death mark as the results from said tactics was a few dead and no doubt pissed of heavys and a few chickenshit tankers who must have thought I had av nades cos the gtf quite quickly ..one of them only had me in my blueprint suit to contend with but no matter how hard intried to rush him like a suicidal lemming he just bolted..... what a sad state this game is in .. when I attempt to awox faction warfair by acting like a **** im still succesfull and going possitive. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1632
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:22:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:After reading this thread I thought ye hell why not awox some faction warfair .... so this morning inwent out in my free suit and tryed all the normal bluberry tactics like running strait at enimy tanks and tgrowing myself infront of heavys whilst spraying and praying ... no matter how hard I tried I coldent get to that 20 death mark as the results from said tactics was a few dead and no doubt pissed of heavys and a few chickenshit tankers who must have thought I had av nades cos the gtf quite quickly ..one of them only had me in my blueprint suit to contend with but no matter how hard intried to rush him like a suicidal lemming he just bolted..... what a sad state this game is in .. when I attempt to awox faction warfair by acting like a **** im still succesfull and going possitive.
Is just all that Core Skills that you packing.... Try making a "NEW" alt, lets see how that goes, huh ? |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1138
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:24:00 -
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All my suit core skills are are at 3. Not really that much of an advantage. |
HYENAKILLER X
Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION
276
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:25:00 -
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dogmanpig wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:If you die 20 times its because you are the only guy on your team trying to win a skirm/dom match. or your the only guy trying to lose the match. Also true. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1632
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:27:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:All my suit core skills are are at 3. Not really that much of an advantage.
I talking by experience, i experiment with new Alts some times, to try different things... and you only realize how much the Core Skills are helping you, when you do that.
I may make a new one tomorrow too, to try the new tutorial. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1285
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:46:00 -
[68] - Quote
lolkdr
Kids these days |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
849
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:08:00 -
[69] - Quote
If you die 20 times, quit spamming scout suits. |
A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
376
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:21:00 -
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low genius wrote:Justice Prevails wrote: The elitists of this game are b****ing about blueberries not pushing for objectives. Then they break the blueberries' b***s about dying too much while pushing objectives. Give me a break dude. this is a situation that does not exist. i'm not saying it should be in the next update. i'm curious as to what the community thinks a useless player looks like. among other things.
Bottom line. A player who has 0-5% win/loss ratio as it indicates that it is someone who is going out of his way to loose ALL of the time. |
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Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
382
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:23:00 -
[71] - Quote
i think if you die 10 times without getting a kill or hugely significant wp you should be auto kicked |
Rogue Saint
Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse
299
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:23:00 -
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low genius wrote:you should lose your biggest skill. just as being podded in eve.
Vrain Matari wrote:You don't lose skills from being podded in EVE - unless you forgot to update your medical clone.
Unless you are flying a T3 strategic cruiser, and you lose it....
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
1039
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Posted - 2013.10.07 12:23:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:I went quite close to this result once. My final score was 46-18 with an alt character (that I made just to play with cheap gear and have fun without worrying about stats) and it was one of the most intense games I've ever played.
Game mode was Domination and the map was the new one with the underground section and the null cannon right down there. A perfect hell.
So no, I disagree, I never died that much before, but it actually *might* happen if you play very aggressively (which I do not with this character)... and even if my KDR was not great, I'm pretty sure my team would have lost without me.
It was fun.
Suicide trolling is a different story, but who does that? I can't believe someone can have fun suiciding over and over... and over... ... wow, you really must be bored...! This is why i fight against the tiericide faction on the forums - your experience with your alt in pubs, my experience with my totally untrained starter-fit alt in pubs and the experience of many other players proves empirically that the issue is player knowledge and expectations and not skillpoint gap or gear differences.
It's not that those things don't make a big difference, but if a player knows what to expect and adjusts their playstyle one realizes that CCP has done a good job balancing the game for sp gap and gear gap.
This is why i want CCP to give new players a serious TACTICAL walkthrough of DUST - nobody was asking them to teach noobs how to shoot a gun or run. |
Luk Manag
of Terror TRE GAFFEL
107
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Posted - 2013.10.07 12:55:00 -
[74] - Quote
There should be hazard pay for the traumatized mercs. If you think someone is intentionally killing themselves, report them to CCP. CCP will ban them. |
Draemus Acidborne
ThisIsWhyWeCantHaveNiceThings
4
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:02:00 -
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These kind of idea's are why we can't have nice things. |
knight of 6
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
344
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:50:00 -
[76] - Quote
low genius wrote:knight of 6 wrote:low genius wrote:Blake Kingston wrote:Perhaps we should stop talking about clone deaths and talk about kill ratio?
Someone going 20/20...tough, that's how it is. so, what's the bottom line? how negative does a guy's kdr have to be before he's not worth having on the battlefield? there is not a bottom line, there is more than one way to make use of yourself on the battlefield. if he dies 50 times but hacks and defends every objective on the map then he is worth it. if he dies resing you so you can go on and fight he's worth it. if he runs around with a rep tool and gets 50 deaths 0 kills but keeps everyone up to full armor he's worth it. their is no magical point when KDR becomes more important than WP. if he dies 50 times he's spawning for 8 minutes. you don't mean that. I mean every word of it, a good logi or objective player is the difference between winning and losing. |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
636
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:03:00 -
[77] - Quote
knight of 6 wrote:low genius wrote:knight of 6 wrote:low genius wrote:Blake Kingston wrote:Perhaps we should stop talking about clone deaths and talk about kill ratio?
Someone going 20/20...tough, that's how it is. so, what's the bottom line? how negative does a guy's kdr have to be before he's not worth having on the battlefield? there is not a bottom line, there is more than one way to make use of yourself on the battlefield. if he dies 50 times but hacks and defends every objective on the map then he is worth it. if he dies resing you so you can go on and fight he's worth it. if he runs around with a rep tool and gets 50 deaths 0 kills but keeps everyone up to full armor he's worth it. their is no magical point when KDR becomes more important than WP. if he dies 50 times he's spawning for 8 minutes. you don't mean that. I mean every word of it, a good logi or objective player is the difference between winning and losing.
I won't disagree with that, but getting killed 20 times in a match is really hard. 50 times seems impossible to me. maybe it's not, but that sounds like a ludacris number |
50LD13R
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:45:00 -
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I'd have to say, as a fairly new player, this kind of change would have made me quit early on. Perhaps you forget what it's like trying to learn the ropes when the information on this game exists almost soley on forums. Instead of talk of penalizing "stupid" players, how about you put that 9 months experience to work and help them to be smarter players. If your gripe is really boredom though, because you've run out of skills to put points into... Do you have ideas for new skills? Try letting CCP know, it's easy to ***** about a problem, how about you try to actually solve it.
p.s. I just started a Logi and I die a crap-ton, but my WP is always in the top half of the board, because I work for the win, not the KDR! |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
168
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:47:00 -
[79] - Quote
low genius wrote:you should lose your biggest skill. just as being podded in eve.
that's my opinion. anyone agree or disagree?
There should be a limit to how many times you can use a militia fitting in a match IMO, It ruins the economy of DUST to have free suit's beyond a point of helping a new player start off DUST.
If they want to spend their bank fielding suit's beyond that point its their Isk and they can do what they like... even though it hurt's the team. |
CrotchGrab 360
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
252
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:46:00 -
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WOW,
great mentality OP.
If you're a new player and you're bad, get out.
This game RELIES on NEW players.
Everybody was new once.
Get your head out of your arse. |
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Dust Junky 4Life
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:10:00 -
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Sarcastic Dreamkiller wrote:if you die 20 times in a match you should be kicked from the game. THATS JUST BS! I sometimes will kill meself 40x just to make my team lose. Spies, gotta love em. |
Dust Junky 4Life
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:12:00 -
[82] - Quote
low genius wrote:you should lose your biggest skill. just as being podded in eve.
that's my opinion. anyone agree or disagree? Two words: MATCH MAKING
On another note, what happens if your the only one fighting? Most times my team will give up, but not me. I fight till its over. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
690
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Posted - 2013.10.14 22:55:00 -
[83] - Quote
I still think you'll have a hard time dying 20 times. |
Aria Gomes
DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY
87
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:06:00 -
[84] - Quote
Some people might die but have like 15 or 10 kills. It woukdn't make sense to kick them out. Some people are still learning or they're having a bad day/match. They're next match they might go 20/0. Idk I think that would be a bad idea. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
746
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:32:00 -
[85] - Quote
Mortedeamor wrote:i think if you die 10 times without getting a kill or hugely significant wp you should be auto kicked
Bravo |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
831
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:37:00 -
[86] - Quote
Disagree, we are an FPS people die, alot, often 150 deaths for the loosing team! EvE is different, my understanding was it was lost due to poor conscience transfer for the pods!
In DUST in won't happen because of our vastly superior inplants! Also it widens the player gap, noobs will never amass enough skill, while "pro" players will get a crutch to rely on! |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1760
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:38:00 -
[87] - Quote
low genius wrote:you should lose your biggest skill. just as being podded in eve.
that's my opinion. anyone agree or disagree?
MAybe an ISK penalty would be better.
No isk gained at ALL. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
831
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:42:00 -
[88] - Quote
KING CHECKMATE wrote:low genius wrote:you should lose your biggest skill. just as being podded in eve.
that's my opinion. anyone agree or disagree? MAybe an ISK penalty would be better.
No isk gained at ALL.
Aye that sounds more logical, if you earn lest than 700WP and have KDR less than 0.25 then the match pays no ISK because you didn't fufill your contract to a satisfactory level! Should still pay SP though! |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1766
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Posted - 2013.10.15 00:08:00 -
[89] - Quote
Monkey MAC wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:low genius wrote:you should lose your biggest skill. just as being podded in eve.
that's my opinion. anyone agree or disagree? MAybe an ISK penalty would be better.
No isk gained at ALL. Aye that sounds more logical, if you earn lest than 700WP and have KDR less than 0.25 then the match pays no ISK because you didn't fufill your contract to a satisfactory level! Should still pay SP though!
Pretty much, if you were NOT of any help at all tehn why get payed? you are a mercenary not a goverment official that can do nothing and still get payed.
Under 500 WP (so that snipers need AT LEAST 11 kills to get payed) and under 0.25 K-D ratio, then no ISK for you.
You should also get a medal with banning Hammers face for increased shame. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
691
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Posted - 2013.10.15 02:13:00 -
[90] - Quote
KING CHECKMATE wrote:low genius wrote:you should lose your biggest skill. just as being podded in eve.
that's my opinion. anyone agree or disagree? MAybe an ISK penalty would be better.
No isk gained at ALL.
I would support an isk penalty per death level. so much for dying 10 times, so much for dying 20 times. |
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iTbagyou
Red Star. EoN.
75
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Posted - 2013.10.15 02:14:00 -
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If I die 20x in a match, I'll uninstall. |
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