just got out of a game where I went 9-10 on the minmatar side
I came in number 1 on my team with that crappy score
and the rest of the minmatar team had even crappier kdr's
but what we did do was hack objectives and die to defend them

while the amarr team had kdr's of 20-1, 18-3, 10-5, 27-5, 18-0 and so on
they were heartless scrubs to say the least
they wouldn't step in hack if their faction defended on it
and there was dedicated amarr in the game

your point is null and void. you can win a match without hacking alot and killing the opposite team fast thus they have no clones left. had such a game today against amarr, we cloned them despite having big objective disadvantage.

your point is null and void. you can win a match without hacking alot and killing the opposite team fast thus they have no clones left. had such a game today against amarr, we cloned them despite having big objective disadvantage.

Almost impossible to clone your enemy if you don't hold objectives otherwise the game won't be long enough for you guys to clone them out..

75wp or a 300k ISK suit. LoL Dust.

Tip: Don't use proto suits in pubs and skill into hacking skills like I did.

75wp or a 300k ISK suit. LoL Dust.

lol no.


You guys actually believe that your little battles in dust land are actually mattering?

EVE plexing triggers who is attacking and who is defending. It doesn't matter how many battles amarr is winning, if the EVE pilots dont feel like doing their jobs the majority of those fights will be defenses and amarr will lose land over time.


Sorry, but you are a slave to somebody elses efforts. Nothing you do actually matters in the grand scheme of things.

Tip: Go Proto or gtfo ;)

do you think any of these dust players really care about whats happening in eve

do you think any of these dust players really care about whats happening in eve

just got out of a game where I went 9-10 on the minmatar side
I came in number 1 on my team with that crappy score
and the rest of the minmatar team had even crappier kdr's
but what we did do was hack objectives and die to defend them

while the amarr team had kdr's of 20-1, 18-3, 10-5, 27-5, 18-0 and so on
they were heartless scrubs to say the least
they wouldn't step in hack if their faction defended on it
and there was dedicated amarr in the game

Faction warfare cannot truly be effected by Dust players so long as any random scrub can enter into it. There will always be a tidal wave of bad players filling up deployment slots, thus making the vast majority of most matches random.

The deciding factor then becomes who is initiating more attacks, and that will always come back to EVE pilots as the deciding factor.

Your efforts are futile and Dust FW is nothing but a roleplayers sideshow, or for people who enjoy really bad lag.

If our FW system became less dependent upon EVE attacks, we could actually effect it somewhat. But even if we could, why bother until there is a better reward system in place?

just got out of a game where I went 9-10 on the minmatar side
I came in number 1 on my team with that crappy score
and the rest of the minmatar team had even crappier kdr's
but what we did do was hack objectives and die to defend them

while the amarr team had kdr's of 20-1, 18-3, 10-5, 27-5, 18-0 and so on
they were heartless scrubs to say the least
they wouldn't step in hack if their faction defended on it
and there was dedicated amarr in the game

As Aisha and True Adamance have stated, the reasoning is not because the Minmatar are winning 99% of all battles, but because the system is inherently flawed. Here are two threads on it,
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=112974
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1355118#post1355118

The first is when we discover what is wrong, and the second is more to point it out and explain how to fix it.

What happens is for instance Minmatar and Amarr are both issuing out the same number of attack contracts on districts, regardless of who has the most control. The problem with this is as one side begins to gain a slight majority of districts, it begins to snowball into a massive majority that the losing side cannot escape. Right now we are in the situation where the Amarr only ever own on average 4 to 10 districts, meanwhile the Minmatar own in the range of hundreds. So say the Amarr out 10 attack contracts, our efforts will be spread thin over these districts while in the same time the Minmatar would have issued out 10 attack contracts on our 4 to 10 districts, a huge concentrated effort. Essentially, as soon as we gain a new district the Minmatar relentless attack it until it's theirs again, and these attacks come immediately after each other.

Same thing happening with Caldari and Gallente.

And not true, the effects are stunning at the moment. Minmatar and Gallente using the broken system to exploit the exceptionally short plexing times while Amarr suffer through incredibly long plexing times.

You need to wake the **** up Himiko, Dust does a hell of a lot for FW that you are ignorant of. It really skews the balance.

It's really a load of BS how much the Minmatar and Gallente have been benefiting EVE-side because of a mistake by CCP Dust-side. Really the plexing bonuses should have been removed ASAP until Dust side FW is fixed (which honestly should also include resetting district ownership since it would be unfair for Minmatar and Gallente to start with 99% ownership, but heck I'd even be willing to work our way out of that hole if CCP made it even remotely possible).

And not true, the effects are stunning at the moment. Minmatar and Gallente using the broken system to exploit the exceptionally short plexing times while Amarr suffer through incredibly long plexing times.

You need to wake the **** up Himiko, Dust does a hell of a lot for FW that you are ignorant of. It really skews the balance.

It is a fact that most matches are determined randomly due to luck of the draw and not an actual coordinated squad-based effort, and it is a fact that at any given point in time one side of EVE FW is offensively plexing more than the other side by a large margin, thus determining how many offensive "coin flips" are going on in Dust.

I don't need to wake up to anything, you do. You are nothing more than a pebble trying to divert a river. If you want the enemy to stop plexing, here's a thought.... kill them. Learn the mechanics, k thx bye.

I want to point out the FW system is inherently flawed favouring the team heavily that takes the early lead and not allowing for the losing faction to dig their way out of a rut.

Hence why the Caldari and Amarr have been down to single didgit percentages in systems for over a month, not because the Minmatar are good but because the sheer number of constantly generated Otracts across a smaller pool of districts means we are being constantly shutdown when we take a system. The Otracting problem ensures that even when the Amarr/Caldari do take a district we are in a position when almost (and we have confirmed this in FW) immeadiately that same district will be uinder attack.

I would agree that the Amarr and Caldari have some..... newer players, or some perhaps lazier players, much of the games we play come down to whether or not we can have as many corp aligned squads. If that's the case the Minmatar usually end us with the loss, if not, then its about our squads/ the EoN squads having to carry the match.

The fact remains that too many people don't bother to know enough about this game to make an info0rmed decision about which faction to join, not to mention the Amarr do not get very flattering descriptions in game, nor do people seem to be able to let go of their already preconceived notion about what the Amarr are actually like and listen to the facts when presented.

Which faction in EVE is offensive plexing has no effect on which faction in Dust gets an offensive contract or a defensive contract. Look, yeah some people here obviously have a bias towards one of the factions that's been getting destroyed in district ownership for over a month, but you have to stop being so closed minded and assuming that is what this is all about. I mean, we've even had FoxFour confirm that this design flaw we talked about is happening.