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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:07:00 -
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wow, plugged in a mouse and you turn at the very least 2x faster than a controller. It is absolutely ridiculous how incredibly fast you can maneuver with a mouse now. I honestly cannot understand how in the world anyone can complain about aim assists when you have what feels like raw input from the mouse now.
What is so hard a capping mouse turn rate at controller turn rate? Why can't CCP just cap directional changes to what the DS is capable of? |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1617
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:11:00 -
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Obvious troll post. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
3680
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:12:00 -
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Posting in another KBM whine/troll thread. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
62
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:12:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Obvious troll post.
Yes that is what you just did.
You are one of the ones who complain about aim assist right? I assume you use the mouse. Oh my good god the difference is insane. seriously feels like using a mouse in a FPS on the computer now.
*make sure you turn mouse smoothing off* |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1617
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:14:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Obvious troll post. Yes that is what you just did. You are one of the ones who complain about aim assist right? I assume you use the mouse. Oh my good god the difference is insane. seriously feels like using a mouse in a FPS on the computer now. *make sure you turn mouse smoothing off*
Yes I am one who does complain about AA. And no I use the ds3.
I mainly complain about AA because I'm a scout and speed tanking is dead because of it. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
62
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:17:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Obvious troll post. Yes that is what you just did. You are one of the ones who complain about aim assist right? I assume you use the mouse. Oh my good god the difference is insane. seriously feels like using a mouse in a FPS on the computer now. *make sure you turn mouse smoothing off* Yes I am one who does complain about AA. And no I use the ds3. I mainly complain about AA because I'm a scout and speed tanking is dead because of it.
Plug in a mouse for just a minute. Trust me it is not aim assist that is causing you to die as much. With this *basically* raw input i could see it being extremely easy to track you. I can turn 180 degrees in less than .5 secs.
Going to test with a heavy now and see if it is the same.
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DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1617
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:18:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Obvious troll post. Yes that is what you just did. You are one of the ones who complain about aim assist right? I assume you use the mouse. Oh my good god the difference is insane. seriously feels like using a mouse in a FPS on the computer now. *make sure you turn mouse smoothing off* Yes I am one who does complain about AA. And no I use the ds3. I mainly complain about AA because I'm a scout and speed tanking is dead because of it. Plug in a mouse for just a minute. Trust me it is not aim assist that is causing you to die as much. With this *basically* raw input i could see it being extremely easy to track you. I can turn 180 degrees in less than .5 secs. Going to test with a heavy now and see if it is the same.
No it is the AA. Unless so somehow 100% of the newbies are kbm now, it is the AA |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
63
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:22:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:
No it is the AA. Unless somehow 100% of the newbies are kbm now, it is the AA
So I guess that means you will not even try it out, and thus are just trying to derail the topic.
yep.... heavy can turn around 180 in literally the blink of an eye using mouse. |
Nitrobeacon
Freek Coalition
Freek Alliance
73
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:27:00 -
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I think they both have their fair share advantages other the other. Displaying who is using which on the killfeed was a good idea from someone. Also a way to divide them so you get full DS3 players or full KB/M players? |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1598
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:32:00 -
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It is super fast, stupidly fast... the acceleration is out of control. You either turn 360 degrees twice in a flash, or have to set the sensitivity so low that you need a 25 meters long table.
Listen.... you go a head and try to use the mouse at max sensitivity ... good luck. I sticking to the AA to CCP fixes the mouse. |
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
1020
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:34:00 -
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For scouts facing kb/m it's the hit detection and reduced lag(leave PC out of this for the moment please, separate issue).
For scouts facing DS3 it's the hit detection, improved DS3 aiming(without AA), AA, and reduced lag.
I would say the largest factor in the scout-hammering is the hit detection, followed closely by the AA. Maybe i'm not giving the lag tweaks enough credit, because scouts are now exactly where i see them - the need to lead or trail shots is gone. |
bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
585
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:35:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Obvious troll post. Yes that is what you just did. You are one of the ones who complain about aim assist right? I assume you use the mouse. Oh my good god the difference is insane. seriously feels like using a mouse in a FPS on the computer now. *make sure you turn mouse smoothing off* Yes I am one who does complain about AA. And no I use the ds3. I mainly complain about AA because I'm a scout and speed tanking is dead because of it. Plug in a mouse for just a minute. Trust me it is not aim assist that is causing you to die as much. With this *basically* raw input i could see it being extremely easy to track you. I can turn 180 degrees in less than .5 secs. Going to test with a heavy now and see if it is the same.
Then use it and stfu, that's right you won't because CCP has completely destroyed the mouse sure it turns fast but the tracking and accuracy is complete ****... So go back to your DS3 with aim assist that you're obviously trying to defend..
Yep I'm a kb/m user have been for years and its horrible in Dust if I use an AR or LR you can bet I'm using a DS3, why not let the game track my target for me that's obviously the way CCP is tryimg to hold on to its scrub player base.. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
63
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:38:00 -
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bolsh lee wrote:
Plug in a mouse for just a minute. Trust me it is not aim assist that is causing you to die as much. With this *basically* raw input i could see it being extremely easy to track you. I can turn 180 degrees in less than .5 secs.
Going to test with a heavy now and see if it is the same.
Then use it and stfu, that's right you won't because CCP has completely destroyed the mouse sure it turns fast but the tracking and accuracy is complete ****... So go back to your DS3 with aim assist that you're obviously trying to defend..
Yep I'm a kb/m user have been for years and its horrible in Dust if I use an AR or LR you can bet I'm using a DS3, why not let the game track my target for me that's obviously the way CCP is tryimg to hold on to its scrub player base.. [/quote]
Hey I am a converted man. I am going to start using the mouse and keyboard now as it is WAY better. Sure I will have to train my muscle memory so an adjustment period will be there, but whatever.
HTFU man. |
Aaroniero d'Lioncourt
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
162
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:39:00 -
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You know what else that turns insanely faster than controller??
Pushed back |
Melchiah ARANeAE
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
128
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:39:00 -
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What did you expect when you plugged the mouse in? For it to not function as it should? |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
63
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:42:00 -
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Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:What did you expect when you plugged the mouse in? For it to not function as it should?
Well I have been reading how the mouse and keyboard were garbage, and how AA made the controller better and all that stuff. So I assumed when I plugged one in it was going to suck and I would use the controller more, why wouldn't I, AA basically plays the game for me right?
Wow, I was suprised. Like I said an adjustment period is in order of course, but I am definately going to give it a shot. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1598
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:43:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:Hey I am a converted man. I am going to start using the mouse and keyboard now as it is WAY better. Sure I will have to train my muscle memory so an adjustment period will be there, but whatever.
HTFU man.
Sure, go a head .... try to train you muscle memory with the Piece of crap we have right now. I just hope you don't planing to play any other PC FPS games, or you totally ****.
I actually refuse to use the mouse right now, precisely for that reason... |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
63
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:47:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Hey I am a converted man. I am going to start using the mouse and keyboard now as it is WAY better. Sure I will have to train my muscle memory so an adjustment period will be there, but whatever.
HTFU man. Sure, go a head .... try to train you muscle memory with the Piece of crap we have right now. I just hope you don't planing to play any other PC FPS games, or you totally ****. I actually refuse to use the mouse right now, precisely for that reason...
So your upset that this console game, on a console, does not control like PC FPSers?
Think about that for a second.
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1598
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:53:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Hey I am a converted man. I am going to start using the mouse and keyboard now as it is WAY better. Sure I will have to train my muscle memory so an adjustment period will be there, but whatever.
HTFU man. Sure, go a head .... try to train you muscle memory with the Piece of crap we have right now. I just hope you don't planing to play any other PC FPS games, or you totally ****. I actually refuse to use the mouse right now, precisely for that reason... So your upset that this console game, on a console, does not control like PC FPSers? Think about that for a second.
You have to be the biggest troll in this forums ... I'm upset because CCP promised mouse support for Dust 514, not an Analog Stick Emulator piece of crap. But not worries... i still kick your ass with the DS3 aimbot...i mean... "aim-assist". |
low genius
the sound of freedom
Renegade Alliance
623
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:56:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:wow, plugged in a mouse and you turn at the very least 2x faster than a controller. It is absolutely ridiculous how incredibly fast you can maneuver with a mouse now. I honestly cannot understand how in the world anyone can complain about aim assists when you have what feels like raw input from the mouse now.
What is so hard a capping mouse turn rate at controller turn rate? Why can't CCP just cap directional changes to what the DS is capable of?
concrats. I wonder why everyone isn't using them. they seem to be so game-breaking yet underused... |
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
63
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:59:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Hey I am a converted man. I am going to start using the mouse and keyboard now as it is WAY better. Sure I will have to train my muscle memory so an adjustment period will be there, but whatever.
HTFU man. Sure, go a head .... try to train you muscle memory with the Piece of crap we have right now. I just hope you don't planing to play any other PC FPS games, or you totally ****. I actually refuse to use the mouse right now, precisely for that reason... So your upset that this console game, on a console, does not control like PC FPSers? Think about that for a second. You have to be the biggest troll in this forums ... I'm upset because CCP promised mouse support for Dust 514, not an Analog Stick Emulator piece of crap. But not worries... i still kick your ass with the DS3 aimbot...i mean... "aim-assist".
Oh no, internet tough guy here....
Anyway, take it for what it is. There is absolutely no doubt that the KB/M is a more accurate control method, so CCP HAS to do something in order to level the playing field for this game that is CONSOLE exclusive. HTFU man. I don't see people going in to COD on PC yelling about how the controller is not catered to. |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1623
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Posted - 2013.10.04 23:01:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Hey I am a converted man. I am going to start using the mouse and keyboard now as it is WAY better. Sure I will have to train my muscle memory so an adjustment period will be there, but whatever.
HTFU man. Sure, go a head .... try to train you muscle memory with the Piece of crap we have right now. I just hope you don't planing to play any other PC FPS games, or you totally ****. I actually refuse to use the mouse right now, precisely for that reason... So your upset that this console game, on a console, does not control like PC FPSers? Think about that for a second. You have to be the biggest troll in this forums ... I'm upset because CCP promised mouse support for Dust 514, not an Analog Stick Emulator piece of crap. But not worries... i still kick your ass with the DS3 aimbot...i mean... "aim-assist".
You were right the first time, aimbot |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
63
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Posted - 2013.10.04 23:03:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Hey I am a converted man. I am going to start using the mouse and keyboard now as it is WAY better. Sure I will have to train my muscle memory so an adjustment period will be there, but whatever.
HTFU man. Sure, go a head .... try to train you muscle memory with the Piece of crap we have right now. I just hope you don't planing to play any other PC FPS games, or you totally ****. I actually refuse to use the mouse right now, precisely for that reason... So your upset that this console game, on a console, does not control like PC FPSers? Think about that for a second. You have to be the biggest troll in this forums ... I'm upset because CCP promised mouse support for Dust 514, not an Analog Stick Emulator piece of crap. But not worries... i still kick your ass with the DS3 aimbot...i mean... "aim-assist". You were right the first time, aimbot
Hey you hate aim assist. The reason why we even have it is because mouse and keyboard..... Yet you defend mouse and keyboard, but you use a controller....... yet you complain about aim assists.....
Do you see the contradiction?
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1600
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Posted - 2013.10.04 23:07:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Hey I am a converted man. I am going to start using the mouse and keyboard now as it is WAY better. Sure I will have to train my muscle memory so an adjustment period will be there, but whatever.
HTFU man. Sure, go a head .... try to train you muscle memory with the Piece of crap we have right now. I just hope you don't planing to play any other PC FPS games, or you totally ****. I actually refuse to use the mouse right now, precisely for that reason... So your upset that this console game, on a console, does not control like PC FPSers? Think about that for a second. You have to be the biggest troll in this forums ... I'm upset because CCP promised mouse support for Dust 514, not an Analog Stick Emulator piece of crap. But not worries... i still kick your ass with the DS3 aimbot...i mean... "aim-assist". Oh no, internet tough guy here.... Anyway, take it for what it is. There is absolutely no doubt that the KB/M is a more accurate control method, so CCP HAS to do something in order to level the playing field for this game that is CONSOLE exclusive. HTFU man. I don't see people going in to COD on PC yelling about how the controller is not catered to.
A console game that supports a MOUSE ....you have any idea how huge that could been ? But... noooo.... lets just make Dust 514 another ordinary Console game... Who wants an "Unique" game, huh ? they are rubbish. |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1625
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Posted - 2013.10.04 23:09:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:
Hey you hate aim assist. The reason why we even have it is because mouse and keyboard..... Yet you defend mouse and keyboard, but you use a controller....... yet you complain about aim assists.....
Do you see the contradiction?
What contradiction? You mean I want players to actually be SKILLFUL at aiming in an FPS? My bad bro. I should've known that's a bad idea. |
Jeanne D'Arc III
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.10.04 23:14:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:
Hey you hate aim assist. The reason why we even have it is because mouse and keyboard..... Yet you defend mouse and keyboard, but you use a controller....... yet you complain about aim assists.....
Do you see the contradiction?
What contradiction? You mean I want players to actually be SKILLFUL at aiming in an FPS? My bad bro. I should've known that's a bad idea.
Scrub, use DS3 to compare your skill |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1600
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Posted - 2013.10.04 23:18:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:
You have to be the biggest troll in this forums ... I'm upset because CCP promised mouse support for Dust 514, not an Analog Stick Emulator piece of crap. But not worries... i still kick your ass with the DS3 aimbot...i mean... "aim-assist".
You were right the first time, aimbot Hey you hate aim assist. The reason why we even have it is because mouse and keyboard..... Yet you defend mouse and keyboard, but you use a controller....... yet you complain about aim assists..... Do you see the contradiction?
Not really.... last time i check the mouse don't have aimbots, you still have to be good at aiming. Using a mouse doesn't makes you a FPS god instantly... in fact... is plenty of rubbish mouse users around, i bet you anything you are one of them.. |
Jeanne D'Arc III
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.10.04 23:20:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:
You have to be the biggest troll in this forums ... I'm upset because CCP promised mouse support for Dust 514, not an Analog Stick Emulator piece of crap. But not worries... i still kick your ass with the DS3 aimbot...i mean... "aim-assist".
You were right the first time, aimbot Hey you hate aim assist. The reason why we even have it is because mouse and keyboard..... Yet you defend mouse and keyboard, but you use a controller....... yet you complain about aim assists..... Do you see the contradiction? Not really.... last time i check the mouse don't have aimbots, you still have to be good at aiming. Using a mouse doesn't makes you a FPS god instantly... in fact... is plenty of rubbish mouse users around, i bet you anything you are one of them..
Strafing noob |
pseudosnipre
DUST University
Ivy League
265
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Posted - 2013.10.04 23:20:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:
Plug in a mouse for just a minute. Trust me it is not aim assist that is causing you to die as much. With this *basically* raw input i could see it being extremely easy to track you.
Your afternoon experiment is not a very significant statistical sample on which to draw any conclusions...
Marauder is referring to AA = EVERY shot hits. Go play for a month with kbm and then come say AA is to blame.
ds3 guys with aa off have my respect, but anyone with AA turned on needs a unique chevron so I can go out of my way to pick them off. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1601
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Posted - 2013.10.04 23:23:00 -
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Jeanne D'Arc III wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:
You have to be the biggest troll in this forums ... I'm upset because CCP promised mouse support for Dust 514, not an Analog Stick Emulator piece of crap. But not worries... i still kick your ass with the DS3 aimbot...i mean... "aim-assist".
You were right the first time, aimbot Hey you hate aim assist. The reason why we even have it is because mouse and keyboard..... Yet you defend mouse and keyboard, but you use a controller....... yet you complain about aim assists..... Do you see the contradiction? Not really.... last time i check the mouse don't have aimbots, you still have to be good at aiming. Using a mouse doesn't makes you a FPS god instantly... in fact... is plenty of rubbish mouse users around, i bet you anything you are one of them.. Strafing noob
Strafing ? sure.... strafing is the secret... you hear that CCP ? we don't need to aim, just strafe .... |
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
63
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Posted - 2013.10.04 23:26:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:
Hey you hate aim assist. The reason why we even have it is because mouse and keyboard..... Yet you defend mouse and keyboard, but you use a controller....... yet you complain about aim assists.....
Do you see the contradiction?
What contradiction? You mean I want players to actually be SKILLFUL at aiming in an FPS? My bad bro. I should've known that's a bad idea.
Come on your not this dense.
It is not even in question that the mouse and keyboard is incredibly more accurate for precision tasks, such as aiming in a FPS.
So here we go one more time;
You don't like aim assists because you think it gives people an unfair advantage..... the reason we have aim assists is because keyboard mouse gives people an unfair advantage over controllers, therefore your argument logically concludes that we should remove mouse and keyboard.
Ah but here it is, you have no problem with M/KB, making your argument illogical if but for one thing, you lied and are a KB/M user, and you merely say you use controller to assume some type of false position here.
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
63
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Posted - 2013.10.04 23:29:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:
You have to be the biggest troll in this forums ... I'm upset because CCP promised mouse support for Dust 514, not an Analog Stick Emulator piece of crap. But not worries... i still kick your ass with the DS3 aimbot...i mean... "aim-assist".
You were right the first time, aimbot Hey you hate aim assist. The reason why we even have it is because mouse and keyboard..... Yet you defend mouse and keyboard, but you use a controller....... yet you complain about aim assists..... Do you see the contradiction? Not really.... last time i check the mouse don't have aimbots, you still have to be good at aiming. Using a mouse doesn't makes you a FPS god instantly... in fact... is plenty of rubbish mouse users around, i bet you anything you are one of them..
Now you on the other hand...
Do you really dispute that the mouse and keyboard are a far superior control scheme to controllers as far as First Person Shooters go?
If you do why do you use a mouse and keyboard?Why is it that you are the sole person on the planet that holds this position?
If you do not dispute that assertion, then why is it you think you deserve to have a far superior control scheme than the average player? Do you need this control scheme to be able to compete? Do you use aimbots and wall hacks in computer FPS to also find an advantage there?
You should support aim assists simple because it is an attempt to allow KB/M players to even play this game. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1601
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Posted - 2013.10.04 23:32:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:
Hey you hate aim assist. The reason why we even have it is because mouse and keyboard..... Yet you defend mouse and keyboard, but you use a controller....... yet you complain about aim assists.....
Do you see the contradiction?
What contradiction? You mean I want players to actually be SKILLFUL at aiming in an FPS? My bad bro. I should've known that's a bad idea. Come on your not this dense. It is not even in question that the mouse and keyboard is incredibly more accurate for precision tasks, such as aiming in a FPS. So here we go one more time; You don't like aim assists because you think it gives people an unfair advantage..... the reason we have aim assists is because keyboard mouse gives people an unfair advantage over controllers, therefore your argument logically concludes that we should remove mouse and keyboard. Ah but here it is, you have no problem with M/KB, making your argument illogical if but for one thing, you lied and are a KB/M user, and you merely say you use controller to assume some type of false position here.
Is only one reason why we have this aim-assist .... to allow unskilled players to compete with skilled players. THAT is it.
This is CCP's revolutionary idea to balance the game .....Of course... as always, they didn't toke into consideration the possibility that skilled players WILL also use the aim-assist. Another of those.... "Opss" moments from CCP. |
pseudosnipre
DUST University
Ivy League
265
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Posted - 2013.10.04 23:32:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:
Hey you hate aim assist. The reason why we even have it is because mouse and keyboard..... Yet you defend mouse and keyboard, but you use a controller....... yet you complain about aim assists.....
Do you see the contradiction?
What contradiction? You mean I want players to actually be SKILLFUL at aiming in an FPS? My bad bro. I should've known that's a bad idea. Come on your not this dense. It is not even in question that the mouse and keyboard is incredibly more accurate for precision tasks, such as aiming in a FPS. So here we go one more time; You don't like aim assists because you think it gives people an unfair advantage..... the reason we have aim assists is because keyboard mouse gives people an unfair advantage over controllers, therefore your argument logically concludes that we should remove mouse and keyboard. Ah but here it is, you have no problem with M/KB, making your argument illogical if but for one thing, you lied and are a KB/M user, and you merely say you use controller to assume some type of false position here.
Augmenting player commands with software is not something kbm uses, only player input is represented...unless you are a ds3 with aim assist on. In which case this game has all the challenge of a banner ad where you have to click on the moving duck. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
63
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Posted - 2013.10.04 23:41:00 -
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The main point here seem to be missed on the three of you, either that or you are avoiding addressing it because you understand that the crux of your argument is weak.
M/KB is a FAR superior control scheme for precision tasks such as aiming in a FPS, this is why the entire industry separates the two communities.
CCP needs to do something to allow both controller and M/KB players to co-exists on the same server. Aim Assists is that something.
Even with aim assists, the degree of control afforded by the M/KB is vastly superior (my original assertion and the reason why I am switching). You can turn at a ridiculous speed, the granularity of adjustments is amazing, and with proper muscle memory you can turn and stop on a dime. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1601
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Posted - 2013.10.04 23:47:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:The main point here seem to be missed on the three of you, either that or you are avoiding addressing it because you understand that the crux of your argument is weak.
M/KB is a FAR superior control scheme for precision tasks such as aiming in a FPS, this is why the entire industry separates the two communities.
CCP needs to do something to allow both controller and M/KB players to co-exists on the same server. Aim Assists is that something.
Even with aim assists, the degree of control afforded by the M/KB is vastly superior (my original assertion and the reason why I am switching). You can turn at a ridiculous speed, the granularity of adjustments is amazing, and with proper muscle memory you can turn and stop on a dime.
And i "trying" to tell you ...that ALL mouse users are using the aim-assist right now. Because most of us are FPS veterans, and we use any advantage we can get... is almost like an instinct. The "right" tool for the job is the aim-assist right now, and that is what i am using. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
63
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Posted - 2013.10.05 00:00:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:The main point here seem to be missed on the three of you, either that or you are avoiding addressing it because you understand that the crux of your argument is weak.
M/KB is a FAR superior control scheme for precision tasks such as aiming in a FPS, this is why the entire industry separates the two communities.
CCP needs to do something to allow both controller and M/KB players to co-exists on the same server. Aim Assists is that something.
Even with aim assists, the degree of control afforded by the M/KB is vastly superior (my original assertion and the reason why I am switching). You can turn at a ridiculous speed, the granularity of adjustments is amazing, and with proper muscle memory you can turn and stop on a dime. And i "trying" to tell you ...that ALL mouse users are using the aim-assist right now. Because most of us are FPS veterans, and we use any advantage we can get... is almost like an instinct. The "right" tool for the job is the aim-assist right now, and that is what i am using.
Well I applaud you, you have done something most others on this board refuse to do.
You have admitted that you use whatever gives you an advantage. That the mouse and keyboard can be thrown aside if it is not CLEARLY superior to the DS3.
Personally though, and I could be wrong, I think I can still easily out-do a DS3 (even with the weak aim assists that it has) with a few weeks of mouse training. While the DS3 has a very small amount of magnetism, the KB/M still has vastly superior turning speed, granularity, and the ability to stop precisely where I want it to after a large turn. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1602
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Posted - 2013.10.05 00:08:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:The main point here seem to be missed on the three of you, either that or you are avoiding addressing it because you understand that the crux of your argument is weak.
M/KB is a FAR superior control scheme for precision tasks such as aiming in a FPS, this is why the entire industry separates the two communities.
CCP needs to do something to allow both controller and M/KB players to co-exists on the same server. Aim Assists is that something.
Even with aim assists, the degree of control afforded by the M/KB is vastly superior (my original assertion and the reason why I am switching). You can turn at a ridiculous speed, the granularity of adjustments is amazing, and with proper muscle memory you can turn and stop on a dime. And i "trying" to tell you ...that ALL mouse users are using the aim-assist right now. Because most of us are FPS veterans, and we use any advantage we can get... is almost like an instinct. The "right" tool for the job is the aim-assist right now, and that is what i am using. Well I applaud you, you have done something most others on this board refuse to do. You have admitted that you use whatever gives you an advantage. That the mouse and keyboard can be thrown aside if it is not CLEARLY superior to the DS3. Personally though, and I could be wrong, I think I can still easily out-do a DS3 (even with the weak aim assists that it has) with a few weeks of mouse training. While the DS3 has a very small amount of magnetism, the KB/M still has vastly superior turning speed, granularity, and the ability to stop precisely where I want it to after a large turn.
I don't mind doing that... YES !! i admit that i will always use that best tool for the job. Like i have always done, and i will always do. If the DS3 is the best tool... i use that, if it is the mouse.. i use that too, if somehow is the Move controller... guess what?.. i will use that too.
You think i being unfair ? or unsporty ? Guess what.... I DON'T CARE.
Now... i'm off to watch stargate.. you welcome to carry on arguing with yourself. |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1627
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Posted - 2013.10.05 00:17:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:
Hey you hate aim assist. The reason why we even have it is because mouse and keyboard..... Yet you defend mouse and keyboard, but you use a controller....... yet you complain about aim assists.....
Do you see the contradiction?
What contradiction? You mean I want players to actually be SKILLFUL at aiming in an FPS? My bad bro. I should've known that's a bad idea. Come on your not this dense. It is not even in question that the mouse and keyboard is incredibly more accurate for precision tasks, such as aiming in a FPS. So here we go one more time; You don't like aim assists because you think it gives people an unfair advantage..... the reason we have aim assists is because keyboard mouse gives people an unfair advantage over controllers, therefore your argument logically concludes that we should remove mouse and keyboard. Ah but here it is, you have no problem with M/KB, making your argument illogical if but for one thing, you lied and are a KB/M user, and you merely say you use controller to assume some type of false position here.
I did not lie. I am not a kbm. I use ds3. Does kbm give people unfair adv? No. Why? Because it DOESN'T AIM FOR YOU!
Sure mkb might be better than ds3... So what? If you hone your ds3 aim skills.. It won't matter. |
Ynned Ivanova
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
112
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Posted - 2013.10.05 00:20:00 -
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low genius wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:wow, plugged in a mouse and you turn at the very least 2x faster than a controller. It is absolutely ridiculous how incredibly fast you can maneuver with a mouse now. I honestly cannot understand how in the world anyone can complain about aim assists when you have what feels like raw input from the mouse now.
What is so hard a capping mouse turn rate at controller turn rate? Why can't CCP just cap directional changes to what the DS is capable of? concrats. I wonder why everyone isn't using them. they seem to be so game-breaking yet underused...
Um maybe most of the community aren't playing at a desk. Most are slouched in a chair or sofa, on a 50 " display. |
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RED FARM
Gespenster Kompanie
Villore Accords
2
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Posted - 2013.10.05 00:49:00 -
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Turn Speed should be a core skill. Maybe call it Athletics and every 1-5 gives you 5% increase in console turn speed above 100%. So, up to another 125%....
Could be good. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
418
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Posted - 2013.10.05 01:17:00 -
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pseudosnipre wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:
Plug in a mouse for just a minute. Trust me it is not aim assist that is causing you to die as much. With this *basically* raw input i could see it being extremely easy to track you.
Your afternoon experiment is not a very significant statistical sample on which to draw any conclusions... Marauder is referring to AA = EVERY shot hits. Go play for a month with kbm and then come say AA is to blame. ds3 guys with aa off have my respect, but anyone with AA turned on needs a unique chevron so I can go out of my way to pick them off.
Don't know about you but my aimbot didn't come with batteries. Even when it "broke" the game my kill/death remained the same. Maybe lag or hit-detection made up the difference. There were times tonight when my SMG wouldn't do any damage even with sustained fire to center-of-mass. |
DildoMcnutz
Science For Death
The Shadow Eclipse
250
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Posted - 2013.10.05 01:28:00 -
[43] - Quote
I swear to god I don't understand why people plug in the mouse once immediately cream their pants when then can turn fast then scream OP. Last time I checked just because you can turn fast doesn't automatically make the aiming good, infact the mouse in this game is completely mediocre and frustrating to use, ive gone back to the dual shock because the mouse is just meh. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
159
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Posted - 2013.10.05 02:12:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:wow, plugged in a mouse and you turn at the very least 2x faster than a controller. It is absolutely ridiculous how incredibly fast you can maneuver with a mouse now. I honestly cannot understand how in the world anyone can complain about aim assists when you have what feels like raw input from the mouse now.
What is so hard a capping mouse turn rate at controller turn rate? Why can't CCP just cap directional changes to what the DS is capable of?
Any Mouse user will tell you a mouse is about gradual smooth movement's... The hyper sensitive and jerky with little toggle to sensitivity changes mouse setup is a joke... The benefit to mouse has never been it's ability to fast 180 turn... Other then a tank of course.
Your more competitive with a DS3 as it is now without AA even... The hit registry on Mouse is messed up... You hit when you should miss and you miss when you should hit.
The Mouse overlay's the DS3 control's... its not raw input so there is a slight delay compared to the ds3, when using the mouse and keyboard... When those slight reactions are life and death... your put on a massive disadvantage.
90% of mouse user's in FPS's I know have to move their arm at least twice for a 180 turn.. Even in twitch games like quake. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
160
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Posted - 2013.10.05 02:22:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:The main point here seem to be missed on the three of you, either that or you are avoiding addressing it because you understand that the crux of your argument is weak.
M/KB is a FAR superior control scheme for precision tasks such as aiming in a FPS, this is why the entire industry separates the two communities.
CCP needs to do something to allow both controller and M/KB players to co-exists on the same server. Aim Assists is that something.
Even with aim assists, the degree of control afforded by the M/KB is vastly superior (my original assertion and the reason why I am switching). You can turn at a ridiculous speed, the granularity of adjustments is amazing, and with proper muscle memory you can turn and stop on a dime. And i "trying" to tell you ...that ALL mouse users are using the aim-assist right now. Because most of us are FPS veterans, and we use any advantage we can get... is almost like an instinct. The "right" tool for the job is the aim-assist right now, and that is what i am using. Well I applaud you, you have done something most others on this board refuse to do. You have admitted that you use whatever gives you an advantage. That the mouse and keyboard can be thrown aside if it is not CLEARLY superior to the DS3. Personally though, and I could be wrong, I think I can still easily out-do a DS3 (even with the weak aim assists that it has) with a few weeks of mouse training. While the DS3 has a very small amount of magnetism, the KB/M still has vastly superior turning speed, granularity, and the ability to stop precisely where I want it to after a large turn.
Everything you said about mouse there is complete bullshit. turning speed is superior? laugh, Granularity? laugh it's a joystick emulation, Ability to stop precisely? do a big turn... mark out on your mouse pad the exact movement... and see if it get's you the same result's every time.
be better off blind folding yourself and pinning a tail..... |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
356
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Posted - 2013.10.05 02:23:00 -
[46] - Quote
Crimson Cerberes wrote:wow, plugged in a mouse and you turn at the very least 2x faster than a controller. It is absolutely ridiculous how incredibly fast you can maneuver with a mouse now. I honestly cannot understand how in the world anyone can complain about aim assists when you have what feels like raw input from the mouse now.
What is so hard a capping mouse turn rate at controller turn rate? Why can't CCP just cap directional changes to what the DS is capable of?
I use mouse and keyboard, its better but we have been through a lot mate so think about that.
My brother played Dust recently and one of the first things he said was "How do I increase sensitivity?"
To which I had to tell him it was "At full" For the controller settings.
So yes CCP please increase sensitivity for the DS3. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
64
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Posted - 2013.10.05 02:36:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:The main point here seem to be missed on the three of you, either that or you are avoiding addressing it because you understand that the crux of your argument is weak.
M/KB is a FAR superior control scheme for precision tasks such as aiming in a FPS, this is why the entire industry separates the two communities.
CCP needs to do something to allow both controller and M/KB players to co-exists on the same server. Aim Assists is that something.
Even with aim assists, the degree of control afforded by the M/KB is vastly superior (my original assertion and the reason why I am switching). You can turn at a ridiculous speed, the granularity of adjustments is amazing, and with proper muscle memory you can turn and stop on a dime. And i "trying" to tell you ...that ALL mouse users are using the aim-assist right now. Because most of us are FPS veterans, and we use any advantage we can get... is almost like an instinct. The "right" tool for the job is the aim-assist right now, and that is what i am using. Well I applaud you, you have done something most others on this board refuse to do. You have admitted that you use whatever gives you an advantage. That the mouse and keyboard can be thrown aside if it is not CLEARLY superior to the DS3. Personally though, and I could be wrong, I think I can still easily out-do a DS3 (even with the weak aim assists that it has) with a few weeks of mouse training. While the DS3 has a very small amount of magnetism, the KB/M still has vastly superior turning speed, granularity, and the ability to stop precisely where I want it to after a large turn. Everything you said about mouse there is complete bullshit. turning speed is superior? laugh, Granularity? laugh it's a joystick emulation, Ability to stop precisely? do a big turn... mark out on your mouse pad the exact movement... and see if it get's you the same result's every time. be better off blind folding yourself and pinning a tail.....
So obviously we have another person whom is lying through their teeth to try to preserve the advantage that they have. Why is it that three other KB/M users in this very thread have already admitted to MUCH faster turning? This is because you sir/maam are a bald face liar. It is so plainly obvious that the turning speed is SOOOO much faster I am not even sure what to say here.....
We have already had two other people in this thread admit to using the M/KB purely for the advantage they would get from it, yet you would play it off as if you have it rough? Thankfully I can see through the lies now.... still working on that muscle memory though...
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DildoMcnutz
Science For Death
The Shadow Eclipse
251
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Posted - 2013.10.05 02:43:00 -
[48] - Quote
Crimson Cerberes wrote:Bethhy wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:The main point here seem to be missed on the three of you, either that or you are avoiding addressing it because you understand that the crux of your argument is weak.
M/KB is a FAR superior control scheme for precision tasks such as aiming in a FPS, this is why the entire industry separates the two communities.
CCP needs to do something to allow both controller and M/KB players to co-exists on the same server. Aim Assists is that something.
Even with aim assists, the degree of control afforded by the M/KB is vastly superior (my original assertion and the reason why I am switching). You can turn at a ridiculous speed, the granularity of adjustments is amazing, and with proper muscle memory you can turn and stop on a dime. And i "trying" to tell you ...that ALL mouse users are using the aim-assist right now. Because most of us are FPS veterans, and we use any advantage we can get... is almost like an instinct. The "right" tool for the job is the aim-assist right now, and that is what i am using. Well I applaud you, you have done something most others on this board refuse to do. You have admitted that you use whatever gives you an advantage. That the mouse and keyboard can be thrown aside if it is not CLEARLY superior to the DS3. Personally though, and I could be wrong, I think I can still easily out-do a DS3 (even with the weak aim assists that it has) with a few weeks of mouse training. While the DS3 has a very small amount of magnetism, the KB/M still has vastly superior turning speed, granularity, and the ability to stop precisely where I want it to after a large turn. Everything you said about mouse there is complete bullshit. turning speed is superior? laugh, Granularity? laugh it's a joystick emulation, Ability to stop precisely? do a big turn... mark out on your mouse pad the exact movement... and see if it get's you the same result's every time. be better off blind folding yourself and pinning a tail..... So obviously we have another person whom is lying through their teeth to try to preserve the advantage that they have. Why is it that three other KB/M users in this very thread have already admitted to MUCH faster turning? This is because you sir/maam are a bald face liar. It is so plainly obvious that the turning speed is SOOOO much faster I am not even sure what to say here..... We have already had two other people in this thread admit to using the M/KB purely for the advantage they would get from it, yet you would play it off as if you have it rough? Thankfully I can see through the lies now.... still working on that muscle memory though...
He isn't saying the mouse doesn't turn faster, the PRECISION of the mouse is wonky. Being able to turn fast isn't the same as being able to aim well. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
64
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Posted - 2013.10.05 02:48:00 -
[49] - Quote
DildoMcnutz wrote:
He isn't saying the mouse doesn't turn faster, the PRECISION of the mouse is wonky. Being able to turn fast isn't the same as being able to aim well.
We will see, I figure it will take a few weeks of muscle memory training before I can say with confidence wether or not the precision is as insane as it seems like it is going to be.
With the DS3, overshoot/undershoot is just something you have to deal with as motion works in a way that almost adds weight to your movements. Not only this, but moving minute amounts requires a great amount of touch... especially if not in a straight line. The mouse so far has allowed me to stop closer to the target, given a 60+ degree turn, and compensate for over/undershoot with much much more accuracy. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
162
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Posted - 2013.10.05 03:11:00 -
[50] - Quote
Crimson Cerberes wrote:Bethhy wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:The main point here seem to be missed on the three of you, either that or you are avoiding addressing it because you understand that the crux of your argument is weak.
M/KB is a FAR superior control scheme for precision tasks such as aiming in a FPS, this is why the entire industry separates the two communities.
CCP needs to do something to allow both controller and M/KB players to co-exists on the same server. Aim Assists is that something.
Even with aim assists, the degree of control afforded by the M/KB is vastly superior (my original assertion and the reason why I am switching). You can turn at a ridiculous speed, the granularity of adjustments is amazing, and with proper muscle memory you can turn and stop on a dime. And i "trying" to tell you ...that ALL mouse users are using the aim-assist right now. Because most of us are FPS veterans, and we use any advantage we can get... is almost like an instinct. The "right" tool for the job is the aim-assist right now, and that is what i am using. Well I applaud you, you have done something most others on this board refuse to do. You have admitted that you use whatever gives you an advantage. That the mouse and keyboard can be thrown aside if it is not CLEARLY superior to the DS3. Personally though, and I could be wrong, I think I can still easily out-do a DS3 (even with the weak aim assists that it has) with a few weeks of mouse training. While the DS3 has a very small amount of magnetism, the KB/M still has vastly superior turning speed, granularity, and the ability to stop precisely where I want it to after a large turn. Everything you said about mouse there is complete bullshit. turning speed is superior? laugh, Granularity? laugh it's a joystick emulation, Ability to stop precisely? do a big turn... mark out on your mouse pad the exact movement... and see if it get's you the same result's every time. be better off blind folding yourself and pinning a tail..... So obviously we have another person whom is lying through their teeth to try to preserve the advantage that they have. Why is it that three other KB/M users in this very thread have already admitted to MUCH faster turning? This is because you sir/maam are a bald face liar. It is so plainly obvious that the turning speed is SOOOO much faster I am not even sure what to say here..... We have already had two other people in this thread admit to using the M/KB purely for the advantage they would get from it, yet you would play it off as if you have it rough? Thankfully I can see through the lies now.... still working on that muscle memory though...
No I've played EVE since closed beta... When CCP where talking about DUST at fanfest, there I was... enjoying the presentation.. Heading out with a group later that day enjoying drunken rambling about it at a pub crawl.
After being a computer gamer for the 15 years I've been gaming and near 11 years with CCP and EVE online I thought I'd buy a PS3 just to play DUST... because I could use my Mouse and Keyboard, my preferred peripheral for playing games.
I have always been one person in a land of ds3 users in my past Corporation's... all of them being very competitive in the DUST game. I have played against/with what most consider the best in DUST.. I have never enjoyed any advantage over them other then my over decade of FPS games on a Personal Computer... The Mouse has never enjoyed any significant advantage over any of the top talent in this game on DS3 even in Chromosome when mouse movement was what was promised.
Fact is EVE Support's DUST... and the crowd over there kinda makes it or break's it... Regardless of what CoD fanboy gets a Computer generated aiming system to compress skill gap's.
Yet again i'll say it, so when you pick up a mouse you won't make the mistake... When you have a mouse in your hand you don't want your sensitivity high... You want it very low so you have nice smooth fluid movement... Mouse use in FPS 101....
If you think I'm trying to hide some fancy high sensitivity mouse users have... or the fact that I'm a M/KB user... well cat is out of bag and had kittens long ago....
Sad thing is after 15 years of playing FPS games all the way back to Doom... I still do better in DUST with a DS3 even without AA....
But I'm weird I always turn off AA, even in Boarderlands 2.. or single player campaign's in general... Really what's the point of having any "difficulty" setting with AA still on... ahahahah hilarious. |
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McFurious
TeamPlayers
EoN.
380
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Posted - 2013.10.05 03:37:00 -
[51] - Quote
I never got any actual stats but I'm fairly certain most of the top players in Dust have always been DS3 users (even before AA).
As for the mouse problems... Go ahead and try the mouse in this game then go try it in something like Team Fortress 2 (free) and you'll see there's a big difference in how the same mouse performs. My aim in PC games is great but in Dust it's frustrating as heck trying to play on the same level. And now we have players with AA everywhere compounding the problem.
As I always say, Chromosome had near perfect aiming mechanics for both and hardly anyone bitched about DS3 vs. KBM. I have no problem with AA being in this game if that's what some players need but then I'm gonna need much better mouse aiming ala Chromosome.
Hopefully CCP gets it right eventually. |
XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
4669
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Posted - 2013.10.05 03:41:00 -
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DS3 rules |
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