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Bethhy
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Posted - 2013.10.05 02:12:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:wow, plugged in a mouse and you turn at the very least 2x faster than a controller. It is absolutely ridiculous how incredibly fast you can maneuver with a mouse now. I honestly cannot understand how in the world anyone can complain about aim assists when you have what feels like raw input from the mouse now.
What is so hard a capping mouse turn rate at controller turn rate? Why can't CCP just cap directional changes to what the DS is capable of?
Any Mouse user will tell you a mouse is about gradual smooth movement's... The hyper sensitive and jerky with little toggle to sensitivity changes mouse setup is a joke... The benefit to mouse has never been it's ability to fast 180 turn... Other then a tank of course.
Your more competitive with a DS3 as it is now without AA even... The hit registry on Mouse is messed up... You hit when you should miss and you miss when you should hit.
The Mouse overlay's the DS3 control's... its not raw input so there is a slight delay compared to the ds3, when using the mouse and keyboard... When those slight reactions are life and death... your put on a massive disadvantage.
90% of mouse user's in FPS's I know have to move their arm at least twice for a 180 turn.. Even in twitch games like quake. |
Bethhy
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Posted - 2013.10.05 02:22:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:The main point here seem to be missed on the three of you, either that or you are avoiding addressing it because you understand that the crux of your argument is weak.
M/KB is a FAR superior control scheme for precision tasks such as aiming in a FPS, this is why the entire industry separates the two communities.
CCP needs to do something to allow both controller and M/KB players to co-exists on the same server. Aim Assists is that something.
Even with aim assists, the degree of control afforded by the M/KB is vastly superior (my original assertion and the reason why I am switching). You can turn at a ridiculous speed, the granularity of adjustments is amazing, and with proper muscle memory you can turn and stop on a dime. And i "trying" to tell you ...that ALL mouse users are using the aim-assist right now. Because most of us are FPS veterans, and we use any advantage we can get... is almost like an instinct. The "right" tool for the job is the aim-assist right now, and that is what i am using. Well I applaud you, you have done something most others on this board refuse to do. You have admitted that you use whatever gives you an advantage. That the mouse and keyboard can be thrown aside if it is not CLEARLY superior to the DS3. Personally though, and I could be wrong, I think I can still easily out-do a DS3 (even with the weak aim assists that it has) with a few weeks of mouse training. While the DS3 has a very small amount of magnetism, the KB/M still has vastly superior turning speed, granularity, and the ability to stop precisely where I want it to after a large turn.
Everything you said about mouse there is complete bullshit. turning speed is superior? laugh, Granularity? laugh it's a joystick emulation, Ability to stop precisely? do a big turn... mark out on your mouse pad the exact movement... and see if it get's you the same result's every time.
be better off blind folding yourself and pinning a tail..... |
Bethhy
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Posted - 2013.10.05 03:11:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:Bethhy wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:The main point here seem to be missed on the three of you, either that or you are avoiding addressing it because you understand that the crux of your argument is weak.
M/KB is a FAR superior control scheme for precision tasks such as aiming in a FPS, this is why the entire industry separates the two communities.
CCP needs to do something to allow both controller and M/KB players to co-exists on the same server. Aim Assists is that something.
Even with aim assists, the degree of control afforded by the M/KB is vastly superior (my original assertion and the reason why I am switching). You can turn at a ridiculous speed, the granularity of adjustments is amazing, and with proper muscle memory you can turn and stop on a dime. And i "trying" to tell you ...that ALL mouse users are using the aim-assist right now. Because most of us are FPS veterans, and we use any advantage we can get... is almost like an instinct. The "right" tool for the job is the aim-assist right now, and that is what i am using. Well I applaud you, you have done something most others on this board refuse to do. You have admitted that you use whatever gives you an advantage. That the mouse and keyboard can be thrown aside if it is not CLEARLY superior to the DS3. Personally though, and I could be wrong, I think I can still easily out-do a DS3 (even with the weak aim assists that it has) with a few weeks of mouse training. While the DS3 has a very small amount of magnetism, the KB/M still has vastly superior turning speed, granularity, and the ability to stop precisely where I want it to after a large turn. Everything you said about mouse there is complete bullshit. turning speed is superior? laugh, Granularity? laugh it's a joystick emulation, Ability to stop precisely? do a big turn... mark out on your mouse pad the exact movement... and see if it get's you the same result's every time. be better off blind folding yourself and pinning a tail..... So obviously we have another person whom is lying through their teeth to try to preserve the advantage that they have. Why is it that three other KB/M users in this very thread have already admitted to MUCH faster turning? This is because you sir/maam are a bald face liar. It is so plainly obvious that the turning speed is SOOOO much faster I am not even sure what to say here..... We have already had two other people in this thread admit to using the M/KB purely for the advantage they would get from it, yet you would play it off as if you have it rough? Thankfully I can see through the lies now.... still working on that muscle memory though...
No I've played EVE since closed beta... When CCP where talking about DUST at fanfest, there I was... enjoying the presentation.. Heading out with a group later that day enjoying drunken rambling about it at a pub crawl.
After being a computer gamer for the 15 years I've been gaming and near 11 years with CCP and EVE online I thought I'd buy a PS3 just to play DUST... because I could use my Mouse and Keyboard, my preferred peripheral for playing games.
I have always been one person in a land of ds3 users in my past Corporation's... all of them being very competitive in the DUST game. I have played against/with what most consider the best in DUST.. I have never enjoyed any advantage over them other then my over decade of FPS games on a Personal Computer... The Mouse has never enjoyed any significant advantage over any of the top talent in this game on DS3 even in Chromosome when mouse movement was what was promised.
Fact is EVE Support's DUST... and the crowd over there kinda makes it or break's it... Regardless of what CoD fanboy gets a Computer generated aiming system to compress skill gap's.
Yet again i'll say it, so when you pick up a mouse you won't make the mistake... When you have a mouse in your hand you don't want your sensitivity high... You want it very low so you have nice smooth fluid movement... Mouse use in FPS 101....
If you think I'm trying to hide some fancy high sensitivity mouse users have... or the fact that I'm a M/KB user... well cat is out of bag and had kittens long ago....
Sad thing is after 15 years of playing FPS games all the way back to Doom... I still do better in DUST with a DS3 even without AA....
But I'm weird I always turn off AA, even in Boarderlands 2.. or single player campaign's in general... Really what's the point of having any "difficulty" setting with AA still on... ahahahah hilarious. |
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