DUST Search - Mouse turns insanely faster controller

Bethhy wrote:

Crimson Cerberes wrote:

Banning Hammer wrote:

Crimson Cerberes wrote:

The main point here seem to be missed on the three of you, either that or you are avoiding addressing it because you understand that the crux of your argument is weak.

M/KB is a FAR superior control scheme for precision tasks such as aiming in a FPS, this is why the entire industry separates the two communities.

CCP needs to do something to allow both controller and M/KB players to co-exists on the same server. Aim Assists is that something.

Even with aim assists, the degree of control afforded by the M/KB is vastly superior (my original assertion and the reason why I am switching). You can turn at a ridiculous speed, the granularity of adjustments is amazing, and with proper muscle memory you can turn and stop on a dime.

And i "trying" to tell you ...that ALL mouse users are using the aim-assist right now. Because most of us are FPS veterans, and we use any advantage we can get... is almost like an instinct. The "right" tool for the job is the aim-assist right now, and that is what i am using.

Well I applaud you, you have done something most others on this board refuse to do.

You have admitted that you use whatever gives you an advantage. That the mouse and keyboard can be thrown aside if it is not CLEARLY superior to the DS3.

Personally though, and I could be wrong, I think I can still easily out-do a DS3 (even with the weak aim assists that it has) with a few weeks of mouse training. While the DS3 has a very small amount of magnetism, the KB/M still has vastly superior turning speed, granularity, and the ability to stop precisely where I want it to after a large turn.

Everything you said about mouse there is complete bullshit. turning speed is superior? laugh, Granularity? laugh it's a joystick emulation, Ability to stop precisely? do a big turn... mark out on your mouse pad the exact movement... and see if it get's you the same result's every time.

be better off blind folding yourself and pinning a tail.....


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Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 62	Posted - 2013.10.04 22:07:00 - [1] - Quote wow, plugged in a mouse and you turn at the very least 2x faster than a controller. It is absolutely ridiculous how incredibly fast you can maneuver with a mouse now. I honestly cannot understand how in the world anyone can complain about aim assists when you have what feels like raw input from the mouse now. What is so hard a capping mouse turn rate at controller turn rate? Why can't CCP just cap directional changes to what the DS is capable of?
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 62	Posted - 2013.10.04 22:12:00 - [2] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Obvious troll post. Yes that is what you just did. You are one of the ones who complain about aim assist right? I assume you use the mouse. Oh my good god the difference is insane. seriously feels like using a mouse in a FPS on the computer now. make sure you turn mouse smoothing off
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 62	Posted - 2013.10.04 22:17:00 - [3] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Obvious troll post. Yes that is what you just did. You are one of the ones who complain about aim assist right? I assume you use the mouse. Oh my good god the difference is insane. seriously feels like using a mouse in a FPS on the computer now. make sure you turn mouse smoothing off Yes I am one who does complain about AA. And no I use the ds3. I mainly complain about AA because I'm a scout and speed tanking is dead because of it. Plug in a mouse for just a minute. Trust me it is not aim assist that is causing you to die as much. With this basically raw input i could see it being extremely easy to track you. I can turn 180 degrees in less than .5 secs. Going to test with a heavy now and see if it is the same.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 63	Posted - 2013.10.04 22:22:00 - [4] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: No it is the AA. Unless somehow 100% of the newbies are kbm now, it is the AA So I guess that means you will not even try it out, and thus are just trying to derail the topic. yep.... heavy can turn around 180 in literally the blink of an eye using mouse.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 63	Posted - 2013.10.04 22:38:00 - [5] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Plug in a mouse for just a minute. Trust me it is not aim assist that is causing you to die as much. With this basically raw input i could see it being extremely easy to track you. I can turn 180 degrees in less than .5 secs. Going to test with a heavy now and see if it is the same. Then use it and stfu, that's right you won't because CCP has completely destroyed the mouse sure it turns fast but the tracking and accuracy is complete ****... So go back to your DS3 with aim assist that you're obviously trying to defend.. Yep I'm a kb/m user have been for years and its horrible in Dust if I use an AR or LR you can bet I'm using a DS3, why not let the game track my target for me that's obviously the way CCP is tryimg to hold on to its scrub player base.. [/quote] Hey I am a converted man. I am going to start using the mouse and keyboard now as it is WAY better. Sure I will have to train my muscle memory so an adjustment period will be there, but whatever. HTFU man.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 63	Posted - 2013.10.04 22:42:00 - [6] - Quote Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: What did you expect when you plugged the mouse in? For it to not function as it should? Well I have been reading how the mouse and keyboard were garbage, and how AA made the controller better and all that stuff. So I assumed when I plugged one in it was going to suck and I would use the controller more, why wouldn't I, AA basically plays the game for me right? Wow, I was suprised. Like I said an adjustment period is in order of course, but I am definately going to give it a shot.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 63	Posted - 2013.10.04 22:47:00 - [7] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Hey I am a converted man. I am going to start using the mouse and keyboard now as it is WAY better. Sure I will have to train my muscle memory so an adjustment period will be there, but whatever. HTFU man. Sure, go a head .... try to train you muscle memory with the Piece of crap we have right now. I just hope you don't planing to play any other PC FPS games, or you totally ****. I actually refuse to use the mouse right now, precisely for that reason... So your upset that this console game, on a console, does not control like PC FPSers? Think about that for a second.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 63	Posted - 2013.10.04 22:59:00 - [8] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Hey I am a converted man. I am going to start using the mouse and keyboard now as it is WAY better. Sure I will have to train my muscle memory so an adjustment period will be there, but whatever. HTFU man. Sure, go a head .... try to train you muscle memory with the Piece of crap we have right now. I just hope you don't planing to play any other PC FPS games, or you totally ****. I actually refuse to use the mouse right now, precisely for that reason... So your upset that this console game, on a console, does not control like PC FPSers? Think about that for a second. You have to be the biggest troll in this forums ... I'm upset because CCP promised mouse support for Dust 514, not an Analog Stick Emulator piece of crap. But not worries... i still kick your ass with the DS3 aimbot...i mean... "aim-assist". Oh no, internet tough guy here.... Anyway, take it for what it is. There is absolutely no doubt that the KB/M is a more accurate control method, so CCP HAS to do something in order to level the playing field for this game that is CONSOLE exclusive. HTFU man. I don't see people going in to COD on PC yelling about how the controller is not catered to.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 63	Posted - 2013.10.04 23:03:00 - [9] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Hey I am a converted man. I am going to start using the mouse and keyboard now as it is WAY better. Sure I will have to train my muscle memory so an adjustment period will be there, but whatever. HTFU man. Sure, go a head .... try to train you muscle memory with the Piece of crap we have right now. I just hope you don't planing to play any other PC FPS games, or you totally ****. I actually refuse to use the mouse right now, precisely for that reason... So your upset that this console game, on a console, does not control like PC FPSers? Think about that for a second. You have to be the biggest troll in this forums ... I'm upset because CCP promised mouse support for Dust 514, not an Analog Stick Emulator piece of crap. But not worries... i still kick your ass with the DS3 aimbot...i mean... "aim-assist". You were right the first time, aimbot Hey you hate aim assist. The reason why we even have it is because mouse and keyboard..... Yet you defend mouse and keyboard, but you use a controller....... yet you complain about aim assists..... Do you see the contradiction?
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 63	Posted - 2013.10.04 23:26:00 - [10] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Hey you hate aim assist. The reason why we even have it is because mouse and keyboard..... Yet you defend mouse and keyboard, but you use a controller....... yet you complain about aim assists..... Do you see the contradiction? What contradiction? You mean I want players to actually be SKILLFUL at aiming in an FPS? My bad bro. I should've known that's a bad idea. Come on your not this dense. It is not even in question that the mouse and keyboard is incredibly more accurate for precision tasks, such as aiming in a FPS. So here we go one more time; You don't like aim assists because you think it gives people an unfair advantage..... the reason we have aim assists is because keyboard mouse gives people an unfair advantage over controllers, therefore your argument logically concludes that we should remove mouse and keyboard. Ah but here it is, you have no problem with M/KB, making your argument illogical if but for one thing, you lied and are a KB/M user, and you merely say you use controller to assume some type of false position here.

Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 63	Posted - 2013.10.04 23:29:00 - [11] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: You have to be the biggest troll in this forums ... I'm upset because CCP promised mouse support for Dust 514, not an Analog Stick Emulator piece of crap. But not worries... i still kick your ass with the DS3 aimbot...i mean... "aim-assist". You were right the first time, aimbot Hey you hate aim assist. The reason why we even have it is because mouse and keyboard..... Yet you defend mouse and keyboard, but you use a controller....... yet you complain about aim assists..... Do you see the contradiction? Not really.... last time i check the mouse don't have aimbots, you still have to be good at aiming. Using a mouse doesn't makes you a FPS god instantly... in fact... is plenty of rubbish mouse users around, i bet you anything you are one of them.. Now you on the other hand... Do you really dispute that the mouse and keyboard are a far superior control scheme to controllers as far as First Person Shooters go? If you do why do you use a mouse and keyboard?Why is it that you are the sole person on the planet that holds this position? If you do not dispute that assertion, then why is it you think you deserve to have a far superior control scheme than the average player? Do you need this control scheme to be able to compete? Do you use aimbots and wall hacks in computer FPS to also find an advantage there? You should support aim assists simple because it is an attempt to allow KB/M players to even play this game.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 63	Posted - 2013.10.04 23:41:00 - [12] - Quote The main point here seem to be missed on the three of you, either that or you are avoiding addressing it because you understand that the crux of your argument is weak. M/KB is a FAR superior control scheme for precision tasks such as aiming in a FPS, this is why the entire industry separates the two communities. CCP needs to do something to allow both controller and M/KB players to co-exists on the same server. Aim Assists is that something. Even with aim assists, the degree of control afforded by the M/KB is vastly superior (my original assertion and the reason why I am switching). You can turn at a ridiculous speed, the granularity of adjustments is amazing, and with proper muscle memory you can turn and stop on a dime.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 63	Posted - 2013.10.05 00:00:00 - [13] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: The main point here seem to be missed on the three of you, either that or you are avoiding addressing it because you understand that the crux of your argument is weak. M/KB is a FAR superior control scheme for precision tasks such as aiming in a FPS, this is why the entire industry separates the two communities. CCP needs to do something to allow both controller and M/KB players to co-exists on the same server. Aim Assists is that something. Even with aim assists, the degree of control afforded by the M/KB is vastly superior (my original assertion and the reason why I am switching). You can turn at a ridiculous speed, the granularity of adjustments is amazing, and with proper muscle memory you can turn and stop on a dime. And i "trying" to tell you ...that ALL mouse users are using the aim-assist right now. Because most of us are FPS veterans, and we use any advantage we can get... is almost like an instinct. The "right" tool for the job is the aim-assist right now, and that is what i am using. Well I applaud you, you have done something most others on this board refuse to do. You have admitted that you use whatever gives you an advantage. That the mouse and keyboard can be thrown aside if it is not CLEARLY superior to the DS3. Personally though, and I could be wrong, I think I can still easily out-do a DS3 (even with the weak aim assists that it has) with a few weeks of mouse training. While the DS3 has a very small amount of magnetism, the KB/M still has vastly superior turning speed, granularity, and the ability to stop precisely where I want it to after a large turn.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 64	Posted - 2013.10.05 02:36:00 - [14] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: The main point here seem to be missed on the three of you, either that or you are avoiding addressing it because you understand that the crux of your argument is weak. M/KB is a FAR superior control scheme for precision tasks such as aiming in a FPS, this is why the entire industry separates the two communities. CCP needs to do something to allow both controller and M/KB players to co-exists on the same server. Aim Assists is that something. Even with aim assists, the degree of control afforded by the M/KB is vastly superior (my original assertion and the reason why I am switching). You can turn at a ridiculous speed, the granularity of adjustments is amazing, and with proper muscle memory you can turn and stop on a dime. And i "trying" to tell you ...that ALL mouse users are using the aim-assist right now. Because most of us are FPS veterans, and we use any advantage we can get... is almost like an instinct. The "right" tool for the job is the aim-assist right now, and that is what i am using. Well I applaud you, you have done something most others on this board refuse to do. You have admitted that you use whatever gives you an advantage. That the mouse and keyboard can be thrown aside if it is not CLEARLY superior to the DS3. Personally though, and I could be wrong, I think I can still easily out-do a DS3 (even with the weak aim assists that it has) with a few weeks of mouse training. While the DS3 has a very small amount of magnetism, the KB/M still has vastly superior turning speed, granularity, and the ability to stop precisely where I want it to after a large turn. Everything you said about mouse there is complete bullshit. turning speed is superior? laugh, Granularity? laugh it's a joystick emulation, Ability to stop precisely? do a big turn... mark out on your mouse pad the exact movement... and see if it get's you the same result's every time. be better off blind folding yourself and pinning a tail..... So obviously we have another person whom is lying through their teeth to try to preserve the advantage that they have. Why is it that three other KB/M users in this very thread have already admitted to MUCH faster turning? This is because you sir/maam are a bald face liar. It is so plainly obvious that the turning speed is SOOOO much faster I am not even sure what to say here..... We have already had two other people in this thread admit to using the M/KB purely for the advantage they would get from it, yet you would play it off as if you have it rough? Thankfully I can see through the lies now.... still working on that muscle memory though...
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 64	Posted - 2013.10.05 02:48:00 - [15] - Quote DildoMcnutz wrote: He isn't saying the mouse doesn't turn faster, the PRECISION of the mouse is wonky. Being able to turn fast isn't the same as being able to aim well. We will see, I figure it will take a few weeks of muscle memory training before I can say with confidence wether or not the precision is as insane as it seems like it is going to be. With the DS3, overshoot/undershoot is just something you have to deal with as motion works in a way that almost adds weight to your movements. Not only this, but moving minute amounts requires a great amount of touch... especially if not in a straight line. The mouse so far has allowed me to stop closer to the target, given a 60+ degree turn, and compensate for over/undershoot with much much more accuracy.