What contradiction? You mean I want players to actually be SKILLFUL at aiming in an FPS? My bad bro. I should've known that's a bad idea.

Not really.... last time i check the mouse don't have aimbots, you still have to be good at aiming. Using a mouse doesn't makes you a FPS god instantly... in fact... is plenty of rubbish mouse users around, i bet you anything you are one of them..

Come on your not this dense.

It is not even in question that the mouse and keyboard is incredibly more accurate for precision tasks, such as aiming in a FPS.

So here we go one more time;

You don't like aim assists because you think it gives people an unfair advantage..... the reason we have aim assists is because keyboard mouse gives people an unfair advantage over controllers, therefore your argument logically concludes that we should remove mouse and keyboard.

Ah but here it is, you have no problem with M/KB, making your argument illogical if but for one thing, you lied and are a KB/M user, and you merely say you use controller to assume some type of false position here.

Come on your not this dense.

It is not even in question that the mouse and keyboard is incredibly more accurate for precision tasks, such as aiming in a FPS.

So here we go one more time;

You don't like aim assists because you think it gives people an unfair advantage..... the reason we have aim assists is because keyboard mouse gives people an unfair advantage over controllers, therefore your argument logically concludes that we should remove mouse and keyboard.

Ah but here it is, you have no problem with M/KB, making your argument illogical if but for one thing, you lied and are a KB/M user, and you merely say you use controller to assume some type of false position here.

The main point here seem to be missed on the three of you, either that or you are avoiding addressing it because you understand that the crux of your argument is weak.

M/KB is a FAR superior control scheme for precision tasks such as aiming in a FPS, this is why the entire industry separates the two communities.

CCP needs to do something to allow both controller and M/KB players to co-exists on the same server. Aim Assists is that something.

Even with aim assists, the degree of control afforded by the M/KB is vastly superior (my original assertion and the reason why I am switching). You can turn at a ridiculous speed, the granularity of adjustments is amazing, and with proper muscle memory you can turn and stop on a dime.

And i "trying" to tell you ...that ALL mouse users are using the aim-assist right now. Because most of us are FPS veterans, and we use any advantage we can get... is almost like an instinct. The "right" tool for the job is the aim-assist right now, and that is what i am using.

Well I applaud you, you have done something most others on this board refuse to do.

You have admitted that you use whatever gives you an advantage. That the mouse and keyboard can be thrown aside if it is not CLEARLY superior to the DS3.

Personally though, and I could be wrong, I think I can still easily out-do a DS3 (even with the weak aim assists that it has) with a few weeks of mouse training. While the DS3 has a very small amount of magnetism, the KB/M still has vastly superior turning speed, granularity, and the ability to stop precisely where I want it to after a large turn.

Come on your not this dense.

It is not even in question that the mouse and keyboard is incredibly more accurate for precision tasks, such as aiming in a FPS.

So here we go one more time;

You don't like aim assists because you think it gives people an unfair advantage..... the reason we have aim assists is because keyboard mouse gives people an unfair advantage over controllers, therefore your argument logically concludes that we should remove mouse and keyboard.

Ah but here it is, you have no problem with M/KB, making your argument illogical if but for one thing, you lied and are a KB/M user, and you merely say you use controller to assume some type of false position here.

concrats. I wonder why everyone isn't using them. they seem to be so game-breaking yet underused...

Your afternoon experiment is not a very significant statistical sample on which to draw any conclusions...

Marauder is referring to AA = EVERY shot hits. Go play for a month with kbm and then come say AA is to blame.

ds3 guys with aa off have my respect, but anyone with AA turned on needs a unique chevron so I can go out of my way to pick them off.

wow, plugged in a mouse and you turn at the very least 2x faster than a controller. It is absolutely ridiculous how incredibly fast you can maneuver with a mouse now. I honestly cannot understand how in the world anyone can complain about aim assists when you have what feels like raw input from the mouse now.

What is so hard a capping mouse turn rate at controller turn rate? Why can't CCP just cap directional changes to what the DS is capable of?

Well I applaud you, you have done something most others on this board refuse to do.

You have admitted that you use whatever gives you an advantage. That the mouse and keyboard can be thrown aside if it is not CLEARLY superior to the DS3.

Personally though, and I could be wrong, I think I can still easily out-do a DS3 (even with the weak aim assists that it has) with a few weeks of mouse training. While the DS3 has a very small amount of magnetism, the KB/M still has vastly superior turning speed, granularity, and the ability to stop precisely where I want it to after a large turn.

wow, plugged in a mouse and you turn at the very least 2x faster than a controller. It is absolutely ridiculous how incredibly fast you can maneuver with a mouse now. I honestly cannot understand how in the world anyone can complain about aim assists when you have what feels like raw input from the mouse now.

What is so hard a capping mouse turn rate at controller turn rate? Why can't CCP just cap directional changes to what the DS is capable of?

Everything you said about mouse there is complete bullshit. turning speed is superior? laugh, Granularity? laugh it's a joystick emulation, Ability to stop precisely? do a big turn... mark out on your mouse pad the exact movement... and see if it get's you the same result's every time.

be better off blind folding yourself and pinning a tail.....

So obviously we have another person whom is lying through their teeth to try to preserve the advantage that they have. Why is it that three other KB/M users in this very thread have already admitted to MUCH faster turning? This is because you sir/maam are a bald face liar. It is so plainly obvious that the turning speed is SOOOO much faster I am not even sure what to say here.....

We have already had two other people in this thread admit to using the M/KB purely for the advantage they would get from it, yet you would play it off as if you have it rough? Thankfully I can see through the lies now.... still working on that muscle memory though...

He isn't saying the mouse doesn't turn faster, the PRECISION of the mouse is wonky. Being able to turn fast isn't the same as being able to aim well.

So obviously we have another person whom is lying through their teeth to try to preserve the advantage that they have. Why is it that three other KB/M users in this very thread have already admitted to MUCH faster turning? This is because you sir/maam are a bald face liar. It is so plainly obvious that the turning speed is SOOOO much faster I am not even sure what to say here.....

We have already had two other people in this thread admit to using the M/KB purely for the advantage they would get from it, yet you would play it off as if you have it rough? Thankfully I can see through the lies now.... still working on that muscle memory though...