DUST Search - i am calling for an investigation into arriana and her corp

Draco Cerberus wrote:

Listening to unencrypted packets can lead to smart individuals understanding what information is being passed to what server and a traceback of those packets can lead a listener to information about a home address and all it would take is an automated listener on the connection a person is using Dust to all associated connections provided they used their router to traceback all associated IPs connected to the user as we all are when we connect to a battle server.

Several programs will allow a standard desktop to be used as a router, share internet connections and to listen to packets. It would not be hard to set this up and as such it seems possible that they may be doing nothing more than listening to their own unencrypted data to find other user's IP addresses by using a simple program that is freely available on Ubuntu (also free) and very useful for diagnosing network issues or watching for unauthorized access to a system.

The problem with using this to hack other people's connections is that there are laws against DDOSing or MDOSing someone. This can result in jail time as well as visits from men in black suits depending on the severity of the hack. I would hope that if someone is doing this that they would be charged and prosecuted. I hope that this is not the case and whatever the cause of the issues, is resolved through solutions to load or whatever else the problem is.

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Kaios Family SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 28	Posted - 2013.10.04 13:55:00 - [1] - Quote i belive that they are ussing a MDOS type of attack on peoples IP address's its not impossible to mass ping peoples IP address's to turn there internet connection to crap bog down routers and modems ...... i would like if CCP would look into this and if you think aout it CCP, your letting these people do things that you yourself shut down you entire server system to prevent them from hitting you ..... now these guys are doing the same thing to players in PC. you sit and ignor it CCP who you think there gona hit next ... YOU .... also arriana has openly addmitted to ussing the melee HACK, speed HACK. her account should be deleted. you say well she will just make a new one ... well deleet it again she will get sick of starting with zero sp and quit... she is a no skill that can only play ussing known glitches
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 588	Posted - 2013.10.04 14:13:00 - [2] - Quote How do you know IP of sombody's playing DUST? All they know are IP's of particular battle servers. They would have to hack into battle servers to gather those IPs on the go and DoS them... Please, elaborate more...
Kaios Family SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 30	Posted - 2013.10.04 14:28:00 - [3] - Quote i dont know everything so yah i dont know HOW but i know you CAN. and if you look you start a match full ping couldnt possily get a better connection then about 5 minutes into the pc match the lag starts. and im not refering to frame rate drops im refering to ... feeding somone in the face and it doing no damage evin though you get hit markers and your plugging them right in the face...... and it does zero damage cuz ... there not there anymore. they ARE running speed hacks. and making you lag so they just run around faster than a scout could evin dreem of running and kill people. and never evin get hit ...... run into eny of them in a pub match and they go down faster than hell.... they are going to ruin PC and yup CCP there gona cost you money ..... yup your all focused on FW ..... ut if you cant see that your core of players are competitive players and play for PC..... well if PC is going to e run like this they will all leave. new games are out and people are already leaving in droves, why you ask ..... is it cuz the game has some problems mechanics are off .... hell no ... its cuz youre turning a blind eye to these guys running hacks and glitches and admitting to it. and you do nothing .... infact you come out and say yup we know there doing it but we dont care. nm fixing the GAME fix the cheets first then worrie aout balancing the game ... how can you excpect to "balance" the game when these guys are MAKING it UNBALANCED by ussing hacks and glitches.
Draco Cerberus Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 357	Posted - 2013.10.04 14:38:00 - [4] - Quote Are you referring to AHRENDEE?
Kaios Family SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 30	Posted - 2013.10.04 14:43:00 - [5] - Quote wow can you read
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 38	Posted - 2013.10.04 15:30:00 - [6] - Quote It's kinda funny, that CCP kicked someone who was pretending to be a dev, yet turn a blind eye to Ariana's glitiching. I will bring some proof when I get home from work. Signed and +1
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1859	Posted - 2013.10.04 16:11:00 - [7] - Quote lol AE's the new Imps. dirty h4x0rz
Shijima Kuraimaru warravens League of Infamy 349	Posted - 2013.10.04 21:59:00 - [8] - Quote Well lets see... As we all join a CCP server to battle in rather than the battle being hosted on one player's machine... They would have to be able to hack the incoming IP information of the server itself and be able to sort the Eve IDs from the Dust IDs. Then they would have to track the IP to DoS it. Because if they DoSed the server, they would be messing the game up for themselves as well. I don't see it really working in their favor and it's a lot of work just to win a PC battle.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4397	Posted - 2013.10.04 22:12:00 - [9] - Quote Please realize that in order to achieve the level of cheating you are accusing others of (and this is a pretty big accusation you're making) the cheaters would have to hack the main battle servers or the tranquillity server that connects with the battle servers. CCP has a system in place that detects manipulation of data thanks to ten years of experience dealing with macro Bot users and ddos attackers. If such level of cheating is happening then CCP would have noticed it by now. They have a dedicated security team for this you know.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4397	Posted - 2013.10.04 22:17:00 - [10] - Quote Again, this is a huge and serious accusation you are making here. If such level of hacking was committed them it will involve not only an account ban but also a ban on the freedoms of the individuals as jail time is usually the result of hacking a server that stores critical and personally identifiable information including credit cards and home addresses. That said, it is unlikely such hacking was ever attempted.

Draco Cerberus Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 360	Posted - 2013.10.04 23:48:00 - [11] - Quote Listening to unencrypted packets can lead to smart individuals understanding what information is being passed to what server and a traceback of those packets can lead a listener to information about a home address and all it would take is an automated listener on the connection a person is using Dust to all associated connections provided they used their router to traceback all associated IPs connected to the user as we all are when we connect to a battle server. Several programs will allow a standard desktop to be used as a router, share internet connections and to listen to packets. It would not be hard to set this up and as such it seems possible that they may be doing nothing more than listening to their own unencrypted data to find other user's IP addresses by using a simple program that is freely available on Ubuntu (also free) and very useful for diagnosing network issues or watching for unauthorized access to a system. The problem with using this to hack other people's connections is that there are laws against DDOSing or MDOSing someone. This can result in jail time as well as visits from men in black suits depending on the severity of the hack. I would hope that if someone is doing this that they would be charged and prosecuted. I hope that this is not the case and whatever the cause of the issues, is resolved through solutions to load or whatever else the problem is.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 853	Posted - 2013.10.05 01:23:00 - [12] - Quote This is stupid, and I hate that I'm defending AE here but really? Really?! Hacking TQ? DoSing your IP address? You honestly think that is what is happening Kalos Family? You think that someone has gone through the trouble of hacking TQ stealing your IP address then setting up a bot-net (which requires yet more hacking) simply to slow down your internet performance for a game? That is by far the most idiotic, paranoid, and even slightly delusional concept I have read on these forums. Ignoring the fact that you clearly have a pretty ludicrously high opinion of your own skills to justify this king of attention from a competitor in a game, you really need to think about occam's razor next time you feel like posting something so dumb. The simpler, more reasonable, and probably correct answer is that everyone gets this lag and it is a result of some optimization in the game not working as intended (or some such thing). ked everytime you lag You're not getting DoS attacked. Yes, Arianna is a melee glitcher. We all know he cheats that way, but that is where it stops. Can't believe I just had to defend AE from your idiocracy. Lets just hope it isn't catching.
Draco Cerberus Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 360	Posted - 2013.10.05 01:56:00 - [13] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: This is stupid, and I hate that I'm defending AE here but really? Really?! Hacking TQ? DoSing your IP address? You honestly think that is what is happening Kalos Family? You think that someone has gone through the trouble of hacking TQ stealing your IP address then setting up a bot-net (which requires yet more hacking) simply to slow down your internet performance for a game? That is by far the most idiotic, paranoid, and even slightly delusional concept I have read on these forums. Ignoring the fact that you clearly have a pretty ludicrously high opinion of your own skills to justify this king of attention from a competitor in a game, you really need to think about occam's razor next time you feel like posting something so dumb. The simpler, more reasonable, and probably correct answer is that everyone gets this lag and it is a result of some optimization in the game not working as intended (or some such thing). ked everytime you lag You're not getting DoS attacked. Yes, Arianna is a melee glitcher. We all know he cheats that way, but that is where it stops. Can't believe I just had to defend AE from your idiocracy. Lets just hope it isn't catching. I agree that it seems slightly unusual for an entire corp to be doing this kind of thing, and you are right, it is more likely a built in exploit being exploited. Goons have proven that if enough users do it CCP will take notice and fix the issue. Could you please explain the Melee exploit so more of us can show CCP that we don't like it? BTW who is Arianna? Never seen her/him before.
Minako Nakajima The Surrogates Of War 12	Posted - 2013.10.05 02:30:00 - [14] - Quote Not sure if serious...
KA24DERT Pure Innocence. EoN. 159	Posted - 2013.10.05 07:08:00 - [15] - Quote Easy there tiger, the only confirmed exploit that they are using is the melee glitch. CCP and the CPM are "investigating", and have locked the previous thread that had any real traction on this matter. It's a shame for AE, as they are actually pretty damned talented and have no need for glitching, yet revel in the "tears" they collect by flaunting their use of cheats. It wouldn't surprise me if in the future, employment history with Ancient Exiles is going to be a big red flag for former members, and it'll be a well deserved stigma.
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 591	Posted - 2013.10.05 08:32:00 - [16] - Quote If you think there is a corellation between fighting AE and you to magically start lagging i would suggest: a) you are being switched to a different (ie: far away from you) battle server for the duration of the battle b) there is another glitch that causes lag to appear (placing stuff on certain map spots or using certain equipement during match)
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 187	Posted - 2013.10.05 08:45:00 - [17] - Quote shut up you're so ******* annoying stop making these threads. you shouldnt be close enough for someone to be able to use the melee glitch anyways. you'd die all the same if it were nova knives/a shotty. get good. arriana's trolling you.
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 880	Posted - 2013.10.05 10:28:00 - [18] - Quote The Lag Spike mid game is an issue almost everyone is feeling. In at least 50% of our matches (against various corporations) about 1/4 to 1/2 way through the match we get waves of latency and FPS issues. It's a glitch in the game code, and not an exploit (as far as I am aware). Something that generally comes in most probablility from having a lot of equipment active on the field.
Jakobi Wan Legions of Infinite Dominion 3	Posted - 2013.10.05 10:51:00 - [19] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: ...the only confirmed exploit that they are using is the melee glitch. It's a shame for AE, as they are actually pretty damned talented... are you trying to make me laugh...?
Roner General Ancient Exiles 27	Posted - 2013.10.05 11:23:00 - [20] - Quote lol why are you complaining?? yall always contract us for PC battles lollolololollolololllol isnt it a good thing? or is it just you alone speaking out? probably ahahaha

Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 352	Posted - 2013.10.05 12:30:00 - [21] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: lol AE's the new Imps. dirty h4x0rz no they are not
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 352	Posted - 2013.10.05 12:34:00 - [22] - Quote i seriously doubt they are ddos attacking dust bunnies exploiting known glitches yes but ddos attacking individual people in dust not likely. i have never bumped into a ddos attack in dust..no one is doing this..and if they are kudo's fun **** its not like dust isa good game and its not like ccp punishes you for anything other than breaking forum rules. they let her spamm that glitch in the tourney and said glitch is supposed to be fixed oct 8th as far as the speed glitch who cares dont play against them ..or mottani japan for that matter as they love glitches 2.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 352	Posted - 2013.10.05 12:36:00 - [23] - Quote Shijima Kuraimaru wrote: Well lets see... As we all join a CCP server to battle in rather than the battle being hosted on one player's machine... They would have to be able to hack the incoming IP information of the server itself and be able to sort the Eve IDs from the Dust IDs. Then they would have to track the IP to DoS it. Because if they DoSed the server, they would be messing the game up for themselves as well. I don't see it really working in their favor and it's a lot of work just to win a PC battle. i agree i seriously doubt ae cares enough about this game to work that hard fora pc win
Jungian Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 225	Posted - 2013.10.05 12:38:00 - [24] - Quote Kaios Family wrote: i belive that they are ussing a MDOS type of attack on peoples IP address's its not impossible to mass ping peoples IP address's to turn there internet connection to crap bog down routers and modems ...... i would like if CCP would look into this and if you think aout it CCP, your letting these people do things that you yourself shut down you entire server system to prevent them from hitting you ..... now these guys are doing the same thing to players in PC. you sit and ignor it CCP who you think there gona hit next ... YOU .... also arriana has openly addmitted to ussing the melee HACK, speed HACK. her account should be deleted. you say well she will just make a new one ... well deleet it again she will get sick of starting with zero sp and quit... she is a no skill that can only play ussing known glitches so this is how far it has come. good riddance DUST community. kudos CCP, youve created a second monster.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 352	Posted - 2013.10.05 12:39:00 - [25] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Listening to unencrypted packets can lead to smart individuals understanding what information is being passed to what server and a traceback of those packets can lead a listener to information about a home address and all it would take is an automated listener on the connection a person is using Dust to all associated connections provided they used their router to traceback all associated IPs connected to the user as we all are when we connect to a battle server. Several programs will allow a standard desktop to be used as a router, share internet connections and to listen to packets. It would not be hard to set this up and as such it seems possible that they may be doing nothing more than listening to their own unencrypted data to find other user's IP addresses by using a simple program that is freely available on Ubuntu (also free) and very useful for diagnosing network issues or watching for unauthorized access to a system. The problem with using this to hack other people's connections is that there are laws against DDOSing or MDOSing someone. This can result in jail time as well as visits from men in black suits depending on the severity of the hack. I would hope that if someone is doing this that they would be charged and prosecuted. I hope that this is not the case and whatever the cause of the issues, is resolved through solutions to load or whatever else the problem is. love ubuntu's free listener so much better than nettools lol..
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 352	Posted - 2013.10.05 12:43:00 - [26] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: This is stupid, and I hate that I'm defending AE here but really? Really?! Hacking TQ? DoSing your IP address? You honestly think that is what is happening Kalos Family? You think that someone has gone through the trouble of hacking TQ stealing your IP address then setting up a bot-net (which requires yet more hacking) simply to slow down your internet performance for a game? That is by far the most idiotic, paranoid, and even slightly delusional concept I have read on these forums. Ignoring the fact that you clearly have a pretty ludicrously high opinion of your own skills to justify this king of attention from a competitor in a game, you really need to think about occam's razor next time you feel like posting something so dumb. The simpler, more reasonable, and probably correct answer is that everyone gets this lag and it is a result of some optimization in the game not working as intended (or some such thing). ked everytime you lag You're not getting DoS attacked. Yes, Arianna is a melee glitcher. We all know he cheats that way, but that is where it stops. Can't believe I just had to defend AE from your idiocracy. Lets just hope it isn't catching. its ok i did so as well. kaos no one needs to ddos stb to win. the imps did not cheat when they took your planet i was there. if thats what yall like to tell yourself to make you feel better about your broken epeens thats fine..but just so you know it is not the case. exploiting an ingame glitch is simple and easy and doesnt really break any rules..it is their because of ccp's mistake ari is just using it..this is new eden adapt or die..either dont fight ae or fight them with their tactics..or fight fair get exploited and lose..but please please dont get on here after you lose and muck up the forums with stb tears and false accusations.
Roner General Ancient Exiles 27	Posted - 2013.10.06 01:00:00 - [27] - Quote bump
Arirana Ancient Exiles 145	Posted - 2013.10.06 01:22:00 - [28] - Quote Roner General wrote: bump lol wut. So according to this guy ima melee glitching/hacking speed hacking server hacking DDoSing cheater? The list of accusations just keeps growing...
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 23	Posted - 2013.10.06 01:23:00 - [29] - Quote One question. Are either of you in Europe?
Minako Nakajima The Surrogates Of War 15	Posted - 2013.10.06 04:42:00 - [30] - Quote Well Arirana melee glitched me sometimes... i have no issue with it since. it's just a game... and it's getting fixed... no need to cry for "daddy daddy! Arirana kicked me in the nuts!" lol

N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1501	Posted - 2013.10.06 04:44:00 - [31] - Quote my corp always has huge lag when we play them. Were both us based. That doesn't mean they hack but it sure is fishy


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