Active vs. Passive modules

WeGÇÖre rebuilding everything with the idea that active modules will allow a vehicle to survive a single encounter, while passive modules increase its long-term surviveability across multiple encounters. Active modules will provide very significant bonuses, but once used their long recharge times leave a lone vehicle vulnerable to any follow-up attacks. Passive modules on the other hand provide permanent bonuses that are comparatively small.

wait 3 high 2 low?
this better not be happening, i expect a partial respec for all vehicle skills or im going al qaeda on their asses

anyone else have a tank fit theyd like to show how it got nerfed?

wait 3 high 2 low?
this better not be happening, i expect a partial respec for all vehicle skills or im going al qaeda on their asses

Yeah its going to be a very good thing, active modules in the rebalance will more than likely equate to the effectiveness of two of our current ones, under a single module, paving the way for 4 and 5 slot tanks which may possible have multiple 40% active resists either for short term activation or long term activation.

Yeah its going to be a very good thing, active modules in the rebalance will more than likely equate to the effectiveness of two of our current ones, under a single module, paving the way for 4 and 5 slot tanks which may possible have multiple 40% active resists either for short term activation or long term activation.

Current madrugar has 6073 armor and roughly 47% resist. Reps are the IGL so 273 times 3 or whatever bug. I also run an active heat sync and fusion accel. This tank would be absolutely gutted by the restructuring.
new fit might be like 120 complex, heavy complex reps, 60% active hardener. Combine that with two damage mods in the highs or whatever may be useful high slots like nitrous since it looks like tanks are getting a huge speed nerf and i don't see active heat syncs any more. So new tank will have active 60% resist ~5300 armor and the worst reps ever(145). This when combined with skills is absolutely pathetic because you will only be able to fight for 30-40 seconds before having to retreat when everything goes into cool down. Just look at the times. It is absolutely pathetic how long active modules take to cycle, even with skills.

No tank slots?.......







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Whaa?.... All I can really say is that I'll be trying it when it comes, but if it sucks after I try it I'm gonna start yelling across the forums. :/

My predictions though is that the system is going to be crap without slots or passive resists...

why the **** dont they just remove shield tanks from the "tank" class and put them in as medium vehicles

Actually, it's not really bad at all with the proposed changes when you consider the fact that the tanks are only standard level. Remember, we don't have the higher-tier tanks yet (hell, they're not even listed in the chart). In fact, the tanks in the proposed changes listed by CCP Logibro only require level one HAV operation. So I would expect more slots for the higher-tier tanks.

wait 3 high 2 low?
this better not be happening, i expect a partial respec for all vehicle skills or im going al qaeda on their asses

Actually, it's not really bad at all with the proposed changes when you consider the fact that the tanks are only standard level. Remember, we don't have the higher-tier tanks yet (hell, they're not even listed in the chart). In fact, the tanks in the proposed changes listed by CCP Logibro only require level one HAV operation. So I would expect more slots for the higher-tier tanks.

Yeah... probably going to use my refunded sp to buy better infantry skills than these crap vehicles. CCP obviously doesn't see the vehicle side of the balancing argument. You want to know why? Because half of the absolute morons who play this damned game are AR users who get pissed at anything they can't kill with it. They complain on these forums and throw tantrums. These are the people that CCP listens to. The game suffers for it.

We still have two months for them to add more changes to the patch and time after that for them to bring in different variants of the vehicles. Right now all we're looking at are the standard level vehicles which, bar tanks, haven't been that much to go off of. I'm confident more variants are in development and we will be having them implemented once the Devs get their core fixing binge out of the way.

We still have two months for them to add more changes to the patch and time after that for them to bring in different variants of the vehicles. Right now all we're looking at are the standard level vehicles which, bar tanks, haven't been that much to go off of. I'm confident more variants are in development and we will be having them implemented once the Devs get their core fixing binge out of the way.

they should bring back the marauder tanks and make them the heavy hitting and average survival tank.

Actually, it's not really bad at all with the proposed changes when you consider the fact that the tanks are only standard level. Remember, we don't have the higher-tier tanks yet (hell, they're not even listed in the chart). In fact, the tanks in the proposed changes listed by CCP Logibro only require level one HAV operation. So I would expect more slots for the higher-tier tanks.

You guys are forgetting one thing here...

CCP LogiBro posted the detail ahead of time so that we can give some feedback on it. That's the whole point of why we're talking about this. Also don't forget that these are "not set in stone" as CCP Logibro mentioned which means you and I still have a chance to help improve the stats by helping CCP on which areas to address when it comes to vehicles.

The very fact that we are given this information this early in the development before we even receive 1.5 on vehicle stats that are probably not going to be finalized until 1.7 is a big deal here. If CCP say that balancing vehicles is a complicated matter, then they will need our help. They're not going to get any help if we keep treating this data as if it was final (which is not the case).

So let's stop complaining and start helping here. Get your thinking caps on (no, not the one with the propeller) and start brainstorming. Maybe we can finally figure out how to address the vehicle imbalance once and for all.

I'm confused about your proposed Gunnlogi fitting, why are you not running any Shield Extenders? What's your second and third high slots being used for?

ill have one active resist because well, a tank without resist is just silly. No extenders because the complex shield extender, the most powerful extender available, only gives 1325 (the current best gives up over 2100 shields, huge nerf!) and the booster provides an instant 1950. So if i can fit 2 boosters, i will. Thats how you maximize your fittings

This is definitely worth emphasizing. The shield boosters provide an INSTANT 1950 injection of shields to your Gunnlogi in a single pulse during any engagement and all the better if you're running 2 of them. Granted you'll end up having to rely on your shield resist active mod vs. having a passive 40% at any time but the injection of HP alone means you can ultimately tank far more damage in 1.7 than you can in the current state of the game. It's the 2650 Base + 1900 on the first booster + 1900 on the second booster. That's going to net you 6400 in tankable shield damage without even factoring for the resists. Compare that to 4900 shields and a super slow heavy converse shield booster (actually the worst heavy shield booster in terms of how much shields its healing per pulse) and I cant imagine why you'd be prefer the current incarnation of shield tanks over the new one.

With respect to AV that's going to end up being changed along with the vehicle overhaul so I don't see much point in comparing to current AV to future vehicles.

I guess we should accept defeat and beg CCP to not FIX tanks.
Just let everything how it is now and add pilot suits.

I have 16.5 mill SP invested into my gunlogi. Currently its stats are:
5 high slots, 2 low slots.
4976 shields
40% passive resist.
23 passive regen
heavy converse shield booster (2ed best heavy rep)
proto scattered ion cannon (blaster)

Fit i will have after the vehicle "patch"
3 high slots, 2 low slots.
2650 shields (the base amount of shields)
0 passive resist, but a 40% active resist
168 passive regen
Proto ion cannon (downgrade because the scattered blasters were removed)

Reasoning of why this sucks


So, i would not be getting anything efficient out of 3 high slots and reduced efficiency of passive modules, i would not have the same passive resist i have now after this patch. So, to maintain all my resist, i have to use the active resist. Unfortionetly, this active resist only last for 26 seconds and with max skills the cool down is 30 seconds. My current 40% passive resist is all the time, not for 26 second bursts then zero resist. I dont have to worry about surprise attacks before my active is on or retreating when i should be staying because of a hardner.

Now that i will have no resist ability, i will not have many shields ethire. My current fit is 5k shields, it will be almost halfed. So no effective way to resist damage, and having half the shields as normally.

Fortionetly, the Reps are nice now. Instead of taking 15 seconds to recover 1300 HP with a cooldown of 30 seconds, i can recover 1950 HP instantly with a cool down of 40 seconds after skills. I will be running two of these.

I would love to fit a speed mod because all tanks are suffering a speed reduction now, but i am a shield tank and cant spare one of my 3 slots for the extra speed. So i will be weaker, and slower than armor tanks still. At least getting my ass kicked by armor tanks 100% of the time dident change

So to sum it up, my resists will no longer be perminate, ill have half my current shields, my damage output will be reduced, i will have limmited ammo, and ill be able to passively regen my Shields to full pretty quick when no enemys can see my tank, even if their across the map. PS: Shield tank PG is being nerfed again so my fit may be slightly worse than this

So there you have it, my tank will be one shotted by current proto breach forge guns if they surprise hit me from across the map with my hardners down. I dont know hes there, so im pretty dead in one hit. Their also probally going to buff AV again cuz its what CCP does. Nerf tanks and buff AV, been doing that for 8 months now? Cool that i can passively recover so much HP but a an AR will stop my recovery for 6 seconds per bullet. Cant wait to be in that snipers crosshairs the entire game so i never recover HP LOL. Im so boned, its ethire armor tanks or go home again. Their just as screwed when it comes to fighting infaintry though, give us a respec so we go infantry, this is what 17 mill SP gets me

It could be worse, you could have end up with a real Militia Fit suit tank slot of 1 high & 1 low slot, you do realise that if nothing is shooting you, after a cool 15 seconds your shields are back to full.

Maybe shield tanks arent meant to be on the frontline and should be kept in a peek-a-boo style of gungame.

Because i wont be able to survive a proto breach forge round when my hardener is down, and i doubt i will be able to run 2 complex boosters. I cant run a single "complex" booster on my best fitting right now, nevermind running 2 after ANOTHER PG nerf.
I compare them as is, actually. Proto AV will ALWAYS sweep the floor with standard tanks so its a safe bet the AV is simply getting buffed or something ********. Its ccp

There's no point in comparing current AV to future vehicles in an overhaul that addresses both, we're only looking at one side of the story here so throw out notions of what proto forge / forge / swarms do per hit / volley because those values are probably changing.

With regards to fitting here's what I got :

Gunnlogi - 2120PG / 845CPU

High -
2x Enhanced Heavy Shield Boosters (880PG+204CPU each)
The only difference between multiple tiers is there cooldown, going Enhanced saves a lot of PG while only sacrificing about 10 seconds between module use.

Low -
+20% PG x2 (50 CPU each)
First PG upgrade brings us up to 2544 PG, second PG upgrade is less accurate because I dont know how the game calculates the diminishing returns of using the same type of module, should be 2800ish. Yeah, PG upgrades were buffed.

Weapon -
Heavy Ion Blaster (910PG + 107CPU) [Fitting Optimization 5]

PG Used - 2670
CPU Used - 615

So that's 200ish PG to spare for either 2x Turrets or a Hardener. If you downgraded to ADV Large Turrets then you can pobably get better tank without having to sacrifice turret slots.

The shield booster is gunna be an insta health gain right? I can see that being useful in a armor shield blaster fight. Tho shield tanks will probly still lose... :/

However with your low shields.. Not much hp to gain lol.

If we both agree that Proto AV is powerful regardless then I don't see how being able to tank significantly more damage in 1.7 leaves you with a straight nerf to your vehicle. The change to shield boosters represents a huge buff to shield tanks as is and the fitting provided should be a viable way of juggling 2 Boosters while running Proto turrets. The only way the fitting doesnt work is if, as you said, something is able to destroy the tank in 1 hit and, though they get a bad rep, I do believe CCP has learned enough from the interactions with Rails/Forges against Dropships to know that that simply will not work.

I'm just saying think positive until we get more information to fill in the gaps.
:P

you do realize, tanks are only useful when up in the front line, supporting infantry? If a stray built hits the tank, starts getting AVed or ppl shoot it intentionally then it doe-sent work. In pc snipers will shoot shield tanks as part of tactica to keep it out of the fight, a sniper rifle WILL be a ligit AV weapon now! And how in f*cks name is a tank supposed to be hit and run when their speed is getting nerfed and all the tanks are the same speed? Duh? it doesent work, tanks are bad now but they will soon be worthless

Current madrugar has 6073 armor and roughly 47% resist. Reps are the IGL so 273 times 3 or whatever bug. I also run an active heat sync and fusion accel. This tank would be absolutely gutted by the restructuring.
new fit might be like 120 complex, heavy complex reps, 60% active hardener. Combine that with two damage mods in the highs or whatever may be useful high slots like nitrous since it looks like tanks are getting a huge speed nerf and i don't see active heat syncs any more. So new tank will have active 60% resist ~5300 armor and the worst reps ever(145). This when combined with skills is absolutely pathetic because you will only be able to fight for 30-40 seconds before having to retreat when everything goes into cool down. Just look at the times. It is absolutely pathetic how long active modules take to cycle, even with skills.

pilot suit

November

Yeah itd have to be used perfectly just before sheild depletion. Hard to do cuz it takes 1.25 seconds to activate, so you have to "lead" its activation. The promblem with this is if 2 ppl hit you with high alpha. If they can do like 3300 damage when my hardners off like a breach forge can, then they insta pop me weither i have boosters on standby or not. so

November