With this post informing us of some major changes to come in the future with vehicles, understandably some of you are concerned about the future and how it will affect you and your enjoyment of the game.

We must keep an open mind when it comes to the re-balance, whilst the chances of CCP failing very hard is likely, there is still a chance they might be successful in their endeavors and the only way they're going to be able to do this is with both the Vehicle and AV groups engaging in positive debate about various subjects.

Now, we know some of the numbers seem off, as some people have mentioned with turrets and certain modules, and it's quite possible that these numbers are placeholders until they've worked it out, not only this but none of these numbers are yet set in stone I believe so we do have an opportunity to post feedback as to why certain numbers must be adjusted.

What I need you all to do is clear your mind of any current stats and how AV v Vehicles currently is, that's what this is about, Vehicle v AV is broken and nothing can save it in its current form, it's like building a house on sand, it will never be secure unless you tear it down and build it on rock.

CCP, your actions will decide whether many of us stay or go, you cannot deny that there are many games out there that can and will hold our attention a lot more than DUST can, particularly for those that enjoy vehicle combat. If you want your community to stick around you need to give them reason, when you do eventually roll this overhaul out please consider refunding all SP in the vehicle, anti vehicle and turret categories,

I know a few players who will likely leave when you release this but by refunding their SP they might not be gone forever. By allowing this to happen, you'll be allowing players to enjoy the game in other areas rather than an area they now dislike due to changes you have forced upon them, I believe that this is only fair.

Now that's said, I also believe that if you want us to give you proper feedback, we need to be fully informed and to this we're going to require more information, already players are worried that their Vehicles will not be able to stand up to AV come release, as we do not have any AV numbers which is something both the Vehicle and Anti-Vehicle group will need to see. Give us the knowledge and we'll work together to make a better Vehicle/AV experience on the battlefield.

I also propose the term Vehicleers for all vehicle players, kthx.

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As a Ground Forger, and a Tank Hunter with this stat, i think that Swarm need to go, same for the Av nades ( the tracking at last)
Leave only to Heavy the fight of Veic-user.

ARcodBOYS can go to hell. And with this you will have a rock-paper-scissor.

Rock: tank slain INF
Paper: Heavy slain tank
Scissor: Infrantry slain Forger.

And also add barrier on the tower,so scrub can hide in there.
Thanks

Here is some feedback

There are no damage/ammo/rof differences amongst blasters with tier, just an increased CPU/PG draw. How is that even right?

With this post informing us of some major changes to come in the future with vehicles, understandably some of you are concerned about the future and how it will affect you and your enjoyment of the game.

We must keep an open mind when it comes to the re-balance, whilst the chances of CCP failing very hard is likely, there is still a chance they might be successful in their endeavors and the only way they're going to be able to do this is with both the Vehicle and AV groups engaging in positive debate about various subjects.

Now, we know some of the numbers seem off, as some people have mentioned with turrets and certain modules, and it's quite possible that these numbers are placeholders until they've worked it out, not only this but none of these numbers are yet set in stone I believe so we do have an opportunity to post feedback as to why certain numbers must be adjusted.

What I need you all to do is clear your mind of any current stats and how AV v Vehicles currently is, that's what this is about, Vehicle v AV is broken and nothing can save it in its current form, it's like building a house on sand, it will never be secure unless you tear it down and build it on rock.

CCP, your actions will decide whether many of us stay or go, you cannot deny that there are many games out there that can and will hold our attention a lot more than DUST can, particularly for those that enjoy vehicle combat. If you want your community to stick around you need to give them reason, when you do eventually roll this overhaul out please consider refunding all SP in the vehicle, anti vehicle and turret categories,

I know a few players who will likely leave when you release this but by refunding their SP they might not be gone forever. By allowing this to happen, you'll be allowing players to enjoy the game in other areas rather than an area they now dislike due to changes you have forced upon them, I believe that this is only fair.

Now that's said, I also believe that if you want us to give you proper feedback, we need to be fully informed and to this we're going to require more information, already players are worried that their Vehicles will not be able to stand up to AV come release, as we do not have any AV numbers which is something both the Vehicle and Anti-Vehicle group will need to see. Give us the knowledge and we'll work together to make a better Vehicle/AV experience on the battlefield.

I also propose the term Vehicleers for all vehicle players, kthx.

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I have never seen so much crying in Dust as I saw in that thread...

Possibly placeholder? don't understand why they're adding anything other than standard stuff right now, should be the same with AV, balance out the standard gear first.

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Seems like the blasters are typo'd. Remember the missiles were like that for months on the live server, a typo in a chart is acceptable.

Honestly though, it is exactly the time to panic because they are changing almost nothing except reducing the HP further. No ewar, no state-changing modules like siege or triage, no webbifiers, no new objectives that require vehicles to overcome or outmaneuver. No ammo stores to make the introduction of ammo interesting instead of just another chore. Even the shields are being changed so they function exactly like big infantry, reducing the variety even further.

Just some changes to HP and DPS, along with the a second wave of uprising treatment to the SP tree (i.e. longer, pointless, more prereqs, less interesting).

You didn't read carefully then. Armor tanks will have higher regen, more HP, and more DPS. Shield tanks lose their anti-infantry role since any yahoo with an SMG can stop that regen from ever kicking in. Armor has no such concerns.

So every other turret except blasters gets a damage change per tier but not blasters.....

Yeah but its hit and Run. You come in, Attack, leave , activate Shield Boosters , have Full Hp in matter of seconds >:3
And attack again. I read everything, even all the grids.

Infantry shields also stop regenerating if they are hit.I guess here is were they are taking it from.

Still 150+ HP per sec is by default 1500 Shields in 10 seconds AFTER the shield booster kicks in. (If not under fire) That my friend, is something shield tankers didnt have before....

Then again i get your point, 150+ reger per sec EVEN while under fire would be fair. At least vs Small arms fire.....

Here's a thought experiment. New madruger with two of those fancy 60% resists and the 150 hp/s from the heavy rep, even under fire. And the madruger has a damage mod. Hell I think a shield booster would actually be pretty pro in that final high slot. So the gunnlogi just looks like a toy in comparison. Of course both likely will explode if an infantry looks at them, but at least versus each other there is a clearly superior choice.

I "may" have to disagree with this value:

Looking at the Complex Ammo expansion, I see a value of 1.6 (as in 60%). Meanwhile, the 0.6 for resist (which is more of a reduction, not bonus) means that of the 100% damage taken (or 1.0) from 1500, I would actually receive 900 damage (0.6 being a 40% damage resist). Am I wrong? Correct me if that's the case :P

this would make since shield ones have .4 assuming tht would be 60% but is shorter for hit and run.

either way armor wins in a 1v1 unless missile turrets really are full auto then we have to deal with 550 damage missiles. hopefully they don't shoot to fast. XD

Looks to shoot as fast as the blaster, but those stats seem wrong in general.

maybe they do but they have 4 in a clip. this would make since. then they would need to reload after every volley. just an idea. this would also fit the hit and run senario of shield tanks. since missiles go with shields. at least from wat i have heard from EVE.

It's probably a typo, we might still have burst function but in that case clip size needs to be much higher (20 or 24; 5-6 bursts to start).

When taking fire shields will not regenerate (not until the second wave of module types is introduced, at any rate)

No sorry but i dont plan on sticking around trying to balance another puzzle. Everyone had what was needed very clear. Shoutout to maple, i think he had it all down perfect. This is BS ccp has simply created another problem. I have been waiting for this much to long. They dont deserve any more of my support. This was a last chance for many people. Im not going to stick around and talk about changes. Ive been doing that since uprising. Forget it good luck balancing 1.7 i dont plan on holding ccps hand through commonsense.

god you should have seen all the bloody knee jerk reactions in condor squad, the blindness to evrything except the ADS being removed and the instant "wolfman sucks" wolfman is gay" comments was atrocious, i got into a shouting match with mossiela delt, caps were involved. oh and noc, here's an interesting thing logibro said

plenty of room for speculation there

I have a future vehicleer alt. I'm sadly sitting on alot of sp until I can choose the racial variant of my choice, and build on my specialties accordingly.

With this post informing us of some major changes to come in the future with vehicles, understandably some of you are concerned about the future and how it will affect you and your enjoyment of the game.

We must keep an open mind when it comes to the re-balance, whilst the chances of CCP failing very hard is likely, there is still a chance they might be successful in their endeavors and the only way they're going to be able to do this is with both the Vehicle and AV groups engaging in positive debate about various subjects.

Now, we know some of the numbers seem off, as some people have mentioned with turrets and certain modules, and it's quite possible that these numbers are placeholders until they've worked it out, not only this but none of these numbers are yet set in stone I believe so we do have an opportunity to post feedback as to why certain numbers must be adjusted.

What I need you all to do is clear your mind of any current stats and how AV v Vehicles currently is, that's what this is about, Vehicle v AV is broken and nothing can save it in its current form, it's like building a house on sand, it will never be secure unless you tear it down and build it on rock.

CCP, your actions will decide whether many of us stay or go, you cannot deny that there are many games out there that can and will hold our attention a lot more than DUST can, particularly for those that enjoy vehicle combat. If you want your community to stick around you need to give them reason, when you do eventually roll this overhaul out please consider refunding all SP in the vehicle, anti vehicle and turret categories,

I know a few players who will likely leave when you release this but by refunding their SP they might not be gone forever. By allowing this to happen, you'll be allowing players to enjoy the game in other areas rather than an area they now dislike due to changes you have forced upon them, I believe that this is only fair.

Now that's said, I also believe that if you want us to give you proper feedback, we need to be fully informed and to this we're going to require more information, already players are worried that their Vehicles will not be able to stand up to AV come release, as we do not have any AV numbers which is something both the Vehicle and Anti-Vehicle group will need to see. Give us the knowledge and we'll work together to make a better Vehicle/AV experience on the battlefield.

I also propose the term Vehicleers for all vehicle players, kthx.

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Here's a thought experiment. New madruger with two of those fancy 60% resists and the 150 hp/s from the heavy rep, even under fire. And the madruger has a damage mod. Hell I think a shield booster would actually be pretty pro in that final high slot. So the gunnlogi just looks like a toy in comparison. Of course both likely will explode if an infantry looks at them, but at least versus each other there is a clearly superior choice.

it's like building a house on sand, it will never be secure unless you tear it down and build it on rock.

I understand what you are saying. The Maddy is stronger solo. But IMO , 2 shield Gunnos with Missiles will be able to drop to maddies, if they take the oportunity while the active dam mods are down
Its just me,we'll have to wait see what happens.

(yeahyeah, im a shield tank Fanboi , so what...)

god you should have seen all the bloody knee jerk reactions in condor squad, the blindness to evrything except the ADS being removed and the instant "wolfman sucks" wolfman is gay" comments was atrocious, i got into a shouting match with mossiela delt, caps were involved.

So erm, are we all agreeing to the term "Vehicleers?" because I like it, a word for those that are true vehicle players than cannot survive outside their vehicle shell.

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I "may" have to disagree with this value:

Looking at the Complex Ammo expansion, I see a value of 1.6 (as in 60%). Meanwhile, the 0.6 for resist (which is more of a reduction, not bonus) means that of the 100% damage taken (or 1.0) from 1500, I would actually receive 900 damage (0.6 being a 40% damage resist). Am I wrong? Correct me if that's the case :P

god you should have seen all the bloody knee jerk reactions in condor squad, the blindness to evrything except the ADS being removed and the instant "wolfman sucks" wolfman is gay" comments was atrocious, i got into a shouting match with mossiela delt, caps were involved. oh and noc, here's an interesting thing logibro said

plenty of room for speculation there

So erm, are we all agreeing to the term "Vehicleers?" because I like it, a word for those that are true vehicle players than cannot survive outside their vehicle shell.

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