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Odiain Suliis The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 187	Posted - 2013.10.03 18:38:00 - [31] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Odiain Suliis wrote: I'll be adding turret values tomorrow when back from work. (9h from this post.) I had something different for turrets Ill try to get the frame work set up so you can plug in. ok. No worries.
CommanderBolt A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 348	Posted - 2013.10.03 19:20:00 - [32] - Quote IWS I dont always agree with you dude but your the only CPM worth a damn as far as I can tell.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9164	Posted - 2013.10.03 20:02:00 - [33] - Quote Odiain Suliis wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Odiain Suliis wrote: I'll be adding turret values tomorrow when back from work. (9h from this post.) I had something different for turrets Ill try to get the frame work set up so you can plug in. ok. No worries. Well the setup so far is good. I am adding a new group called environment, basically to give better situational scenarios. Such as total loadout damage, damage per minute, time to depletion ect ect.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9167	Posted - 2013.10.03 22:05:00 - [34] - Quote Well some one said the old values were wrong. I hope they come in and fix numbers instead of just letting things lament. If you guys can pull from the ciently directly, my ps3 is down this week due to redecoration of the living room and also my own office is not a command center sort of place.
The legend345 TeamPlayers EoN. 1100	Posted - 2013.10.03 22:30:00 - [35] - Quote Conclusion: Toilet Forgot that part^^^
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1534	Posted - 2013.10.03 22:32:00 - [36] - Quote I dont have experience with ALL vehicles just with HAV's. And even in this case i've been only using them for 2 months. So i will pass this opportunity and leave it to more experienced vehicle users,hoping they wont break it too much on their favor (im watching you guys....specially tankers XD) Ty anyways Iron wolf.
Tebu Gan CrimeWave Syndicate 128	Posted - 2013.10.03 22:55:00 - [37] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well some one said the old values were wrong. I hope they come in and fix numbers instead of just letting things lament. If you guys can pull from the ciently directly, my ps3 is down this week due to redecoration of the living room and also my own office is not a command center sort of place. After all this is crowdsourced please help out where you can and let's all try to get a better idea how the entire thing will look like in the end. Not familar with google docs, do i just start plugging data in or what? And I don't see any data on turrets and mods. Am I missing something.
Tebu Gan CrimeWave Syndicate 128	Posted - 2013.10.03 22:57:00 - [38] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well some one said the old values were wrong. I hope they come in and fix numbers instead of just letting things lament. If you guys can pull from the ciently directly, my ps3 is down this week due to redecoration of the living room and also my own office is not a command center sort of place. After all this is crowdsourced please help out where you can and let's all try to get a better idea how the entire thing will look like in the end. Not familar with google docs, do i just start plugging data in or what? And I don't see any data on turrets and mods. Am I missing something. Nvm, I figured it out. Feel a bit stupid now.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9174	Posted - 2013.10.04 03:53:00 - [39] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well some one said the old values were wrong. I hope they come in and fix numbers instead of just letting things lament. If you guys can pull from the ciently directly, my ps3 is down this week due to redecoration of the living room and also my own office is not a command center sort of place. After all this is crowdsourced please help out where you can and let's all try to get a better idea how the entire thing will look like in the end. Not familar with google docs, do i just start plugging data in or what? And I don't see any data on turrets and mods. Am I missing something. Nvm, I figured it out. Feel a bit stupid now. Old, Small blasters data is input, certain things that require ingame testing though. Like max range and such. Continuing on with it from the top down. THanks for you help, just had someone correct a few vehicle numbers for me.
Odiain Suliis The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 188	Posted - 2013.10.04 03:55:00 - [40] - Quote I'll start typing in turret data in a moment.

Void Echo Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium 1618	Posted - 2013.10.04 04:17:00 - [41] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Goal and Purpose To help paint a picture of what the future would look like. Create a baseline on magnitude of how things are going to interact and interplay. To assist theory crafters on simulations. To look for and identify errors, inconsistencies, and countermanding to the plans laid out. To help provide CCP with feedback on a constructed foundation instead of just wild speculation. \\ File // https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqHgiF-KXQZXdFZ2ZzEyNW1neVdqYUF4bXU5NUdUOXc#gid=0 A chance for you guys to help out the community as a whole. There is a Crap Tonn of Information out there, and I DO KNOW the wiki/wikia is likely out of date so PLEASE help on this aspect. As to why I am pulling from those sources and not the client I am rather busy this week with college work so going back and forth between the ps3 and pc is a bit of a hassle but I will help out when possible. I am opening this document to the full public, help out where you can. If you're going to use the client make sure you're pulling from the market and not fittings (as they can be modified by skills) Once completed ish I can do a print out and do a quick comparison value check then and start locking the document up so it can remain a reliable resource. Add new sheets if you like if you want to run some experiments with things. You can also help with highlighting of colors or draft two automatic formatting formulas. (one needs to value lower number other the higher number of the two) Ask for something you want to explore as well. Current Status Base Stats Page needs old speeds added still. Modules are still being populated. Turrets are now awaiting numbers. Defenses are being reworked to be module based. Skill tree missing old bonuses. Current Conclusions so far... New Skill Tree Total is appx 10 million skill points less than previous Vehicle Skill Tree. There are far less passive skills than before. Turret Skills mimic infantry weapon progression now. Shields are totally reworked and behave much differently than before. Missile Launchers are fully automatic fire and no longer burst fire. There was a generic low level Tericide performed on vehicles. All vehicle HPs are now the same as their military counterparts. Similar to how suits are done. The only notable difference between militia and military grade vehicles is fitting and slots. All vehicles in a class share the same speed now. This is likely WIP results however it should be hounded on. ******* great, so now not only will we have 4 militia tanks, we wont have anything beyond militia at all.... and you all say were getting buffed.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9174	Posted - 2013.10.04 04:26:00 - [42] - Quote Void Echo wrote: ******* great, so now not only will we have 4 militia tanks, we wont have anything beyond militia at all.... and you all say were getting buffed. You don't see suit users complaining.
Void Echo Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium 1618	Posted - 2013.10.04 04:28:00 - [43] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Void Echo wrote: ******* great, so now not only will we have 4 militia tanks, we wont have anything beyond militia at all.... and you all say were getting buffed. You don't see suit users complaining. because they haven't been nerfed update after update after update since the game began. next time you want to compare us to something, make sure its something that has been nerfed as much as tankers have been nerfed.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9174	Posted - 2013.10.04 04:34:00 - [44] - Quote Void Echo wrote: because they haven't been nerfed update after update after update since the game began. next time you want to compare us to something, make sure its something that has been nerfed as much as (insert gamestyle here) have been nerfed. Fix'ed into Every Argument Ever.
Void Echo Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium 1618	Posted - 2013.10.04 04:42:00 - [45] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Void Echo wrote: because they haven't been nerfed update after update after update since the game began. next time you want to compare us to something, make sure its something that has been nerfed as much as (insert gamestyle here) have been nerfed. Fix'ed into Every Argument Ever. clever little **** aren't ya
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9176	Posted - 2013.10.04 04:46:00 - [46] - Quote Void Echo wrote: clever little **** aren't ya Well considering there is a part 3, most vehicle hps where increased overall. Modules where refactored into proper basic advanced and prototype tiers (where as before max meta was 3) and everything has just about changed it's really really hard to be calling things out this early in the game.
Odiain Suliis The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 188	Posted - 2013.10.04 04:53:00 - [47] - Quote Seems like turret stats are just template stats currently. Only change betwene MLT -> PRO is CPU&PG req. and presumeably prize, but that isn't included in the spreadsheets.
medomai grey warravens League of Infamy 184	Posted - 2013.10.04 05:01:00 - [48] - Quote People are complaining that shield tanks will not be able to do hit and run tactics against armor tanks. But most armor tanks will be fit with armor plates that reduce speed.Tank speeds look fine to me in terms of tank versus tank. Wolf, there's no point in arguing with Echo. He's a forum tank "vet" and that means he got mad skills like QQing, name calling, getting his tank blown up, inability to have a proper debate and so much more. You can't beat his crazy skills Wolf.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9176	Posted - 2013.10.04 05:08:00 - [49] - Quote medomai grey wrote: People are complaining that shield tanks will not be able to do hit and run tactics against armor tanks. But most armor tanks will be fit with armor plates that reduce speed.Tank speeds look fine to me in terms of tank versus tank. Wolf, there's no point in arguing with Echo. He's a forum tank "vet" and that means he got mad skills like QQing, name calling, getting his tank blown up, inability to have a proper debate and so much more. You can't beat his crazy skills Wolf. I am a Forum bitter vet. :D
Odiain Suliis The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 188	Posted - 2013.10.04 05:09:00 - [50] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: medomai grey wrote: People are complaining that shield tanks will not be able to do hit and run tactics against armor tanks. But most armor tanks will be fit with armor plates that reduce speed.Tank speeds look fine to me in terms of tank versus tank. Wolf, there's no point in arguing with Echo. He's a forum tank "vet" and that means he got mad skills like QQing, name calling, getting his tank blown up, inability to have a proper debate and so much more. You can't beat his crazy skills Wolf. I am a Forum bitter vet. :D I was just going to say....

Void Echo Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium 1619	Posted - 2013.10.04 05:18:00 - [51] - Quote medomai grey wrote: People are complaining that shield tanks will not be able to do hit and run tactics against armor tanks. But most armor tanks will be fit with armor plates that reduce speed.Tank speeds look fine to me in terms of tank versus tank. Wolf, there's no point in arguing with Echo. He's a forum tank "vet" and that means he got mad skills like QQing, name calling, getting his tank blown up, inability to have a proper debate and so much more. You can't beat his crazy skills Wolf. as opposed to you? who the **** are you?
medomai grey warravens League of Infamy 184	Posted - 2013.10.04 05:20:00 - [52] - Quote Void Echo wrote: medomai grey wrote: People are complaining that shield tanks will not be able to do hit and run tactics against armor tanks. But most armor tanks will be fit with armor plates that reduce speed.Tank speeds look fine to me in terms of tank versus tank. Wolf, there's no point in arguing with Echo. He's a forum tank "vet" and that means he got mad skills like QQing, name calling, getting his tank blown up, inability to have a proper debate and so much more. You can't beat his crazy skills Wolf. as opposed to you? who the **** are you? Sweet! Trolled ya! :P
Void Echo Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium 1619	Posted - 2013.10.04 05:22:00 - [53] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Void Echo wrote: medomai grey wrote: People are complaining that shield tanks will not be able to do hit and run tactics against armor tanks. But most armor tanks will be fit with armor plates that reduce speed.Tank speeds look fine to me in terms of tank versus tank. Wolf, there's no point in arguing with Echo. He's a forum tank "vet" and that means he got mad skills like QQing, name calling, getting his tank blown up, inability to have a proper debate and so much more. You can't beat his crazy skills Wolf. as opposed to you? who the **** are you? Sweet! Trolled ya! :P haha, got me
Odiain Suliis The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 188	Posted - 2013.10.04 15:40:00 - [54] - Quote Old values for turrets are almost done. - Large Missile launcher stats have small one's stats by accident. needs fixing.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9192	Posted - 2013.10.04 21:38:00 - [55] - Quote Odiain Suliis wrote: New and old turret values are filled, where able. edit: Old turret values need some stats such as optimal and max range.. Some of the old things don't have values >< I mean it really sucks when you ask unreal for these numbers and they spit out a graph instead.
Tebu Gan CrimeWave Syndicate 129	Posted - 2013.10.04 21:41:00 - [56] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Odiain Suliis wrote: New and old turret values are filled, where able. edit: Old turret values need some stats such as optimal and max range.. Some of the old things don't have values >< I mean it really sucks when you ask unreal for these numbers and they spit out a graph instead. Maybe some ingame testing, on a neutral turret. Somebody out there has gots to have the data on this though.
Odiain Suliis The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 192	Posted - 2013.10.04 21:42:00 - [57] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Odiain Suliis wrote: New and old turret values are filled, where able. edit: Old turret values need some stats such as optimal and max range.. Some of the old things don't have values >< I mean it really sucks when you ask unreal for these numbers and they spit out a graph instead. Maybe some ingame testing, on a neutral turret. Somebody out there has gots to have the data on this though. Yes there is. Or atleast was before the gun optimal and max range change. But don't remember where or of updated.
Odiain Suliis The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 192	Posted - 2013.10.04 22:01:00 - [58] - Quote On current market stats there is discrepancy in XT-201 Cycled Missile Launcher's fire interval compared to other Large Cycled Launchers. 2.5 as others have 2.25 New stats have odd things such as Small Missile launchers have larger blast radius value than optimal or effective range. Also Large launchers and Rails have splash radius dis-proportionately large values when comparing the values to oprimal and effective range. Large Missiles: splash value 150 optimal value 250 This might be due to work in progress state of these changes and simply they haven gotten that far, before they released these stats.
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 1069	Posted - 2013.10.04 22:07:00 - [59] - Quote If they make damage mods VL then the madrugar and gunlogj will be pretty balanced like in chrome as far as I can tell. If av is changed to be only mlt and std grade (which would be proper for a "bottom up" approach), then I see vehicle vs AV being much more balanced than before and closer to a shock weapon and siege gun as they are intended to be. Infantry via vehicle looks about the same, as splash isn't much different and a turret will wreck infantry even at q militia level turret lvls matter only tank v tank. I think infantry might find blasters less potent than before (600 rounds, 700rpm...Lol) due to a ammo limit. Rails will actually shoot a little slower. Missiles will be close to their closed beta status of long range and high damage, but their 10 second reload for a 12 round mag balances very well IMO
Odiain Suliis The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 194	Posted - 2013.10.05 16:28:00 - [60] - Quote New module values are now in the sheet. In a moment I'm starting to plug there the old numbers. Starting from CPU and PG and then making my way to effects.... also cleared the coloring, because there were few inforrect numbers.



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