If you had more SP, you wouldn't want a respec, am I correct?

The only thing I'd like to take SP back on is what I put into the Shotgun.

But to revamp my whole character and want a complete do over to be little more effective seems a little ridiculous.


I know one of the major arguments is Scout suites. How people stuffed millions into them, and then CCP turned around and changed them(i.e.- balanced them). But shouldn't you just want whatever you put into Scout/Light frames refunded?

I think people would just take the respec and put it into whatever is OP at the time (which right now, is less & less), then complain when it gets balanced, and they'll want to dump into the next OP thing.

I think the problem is, people didn't plan their SP for the longer term. When Uprising came out, I had a "do-over" and to be honest, I became a better player instantly because I knew exactly what to put my SP into to make myself the most effective. Had that respec NOT been issued, I'd probably be in a hole climbing a steep grade with no end in sight.
But the Uprising respec was proper, because so much changed in the way of the game itself. Skills were added, taken away, changed, etc.

But to cry respec for ONE Skill Branch not being worth it to you, in your eyes, seems a little much.

Removing ADS from the game, then yes refund the prereq dropship skill.

If you had more SP, you wouldn't want a respec, am I correct?

The only thing I'd like to take SP back on is what I put into the Shotgun.

But to revamp my whole character and want a complete do over to be little more effective seems a little ridiculous.


I know one of the major arguments is Scout suites. How people stuffed millions into them, and then CCP turned around and changed them(i.e.- balanced them). But shouldn't you just want whatever you put into Scout/Light frames refunded?

I think people would just take the respec and put it into whatever is OP at the time (which right now, is less & less), then complain when it gets balanced, and they'll want to dump into the next OP thing.

I think the problem is, people didn't plan their SP for the longer term. When Uprising came out, I had a "do-over" and to be honest, I became a better player instantly because I knew exactly what to put my SP into to make myself the most effective. Had that respec NOT been issued, I'd probably be in a hole climbing a steep grade with no end in sight.
But the Uprising respec was proper, because so much changed in the way of the game itself. Skills were added, taken away, changed, etc.

But to cry respec for ONE Skill Branch not being worth it to you, in your eyes, seems a little much.

If you had more SP, you wouldn't want a respec, am I correct?

The only thing I'd like to take SP back on is what I put into the Shotgun.

But to revamp my whole character and want a complete do over to be little more effective seems a little ridiculous.


I know one of the major arguments is Scout suites. How people stuffed millions into them, and then CCP turned around and changed them(i.e.- balanced them). But shouldn't you just want whatever you put into Scout/Light frames refunded?

I think people would just take the respec and put it into whatever is OP at the time (which right now, is less & less), then complain when it gets balanced, and they'll want to dump into the next OP thing.

I think the problem is, people didn't plan their SP for the longer term. When Uprising came out, I had a "do-over" and to be honest, I became a better player instantly because I knew exactly what to put my SP into to make myself the most effective. Had that respec NOT been issued, I'd probably be in a hole climbing a steep grade with no end in sight.
But the Uprising respec was proper, because so much changed in the way of the game itself. Skills were added, taken away, changed, etc.

But to cry respec for ONE Skill Branch not being worth it to you, in your eyes, seems a little much.

Not when you realized how wasted the sp you used is...
I skilled into ADSes last night... I'm already regretting it.
(Anything other that AR and FG)

Only people against respecs are trying to lower our player base

:/

You are so blind if you can't see this. My scout char has probably 3m SP in "mis-placed" skills... I'm no dust vet, but I can say with certainty that if I got those mis-placed SP back I'd have a better scout build. I made the choices I have, I'll live with them, so should the rest of you.

I'm not the blind one if you think people with 15 million + SP don't already have the best builds in their chosen focus.

I can guarantee of those 15M SP, a good portion will be in a tree they don't use now (e.g. Murder taxi?).

And how people don't look at that and see a flaw in the skill system is beyond me.

What good are skill points that you have no interest in using? And before you FOTM lapdogs hop in here and yell that people only grow bored because they abused imbalances, get a life. People get bored and change their mind, playstyles evolve, players adapt. Skill points do not adapt. They are static and useless if you ever decide to change your mind.

Believe it or not, DUST is not real life, and it is also nothing but a vague shadow of EVE.

fiends like them seem to have no patience.

Actually what you described is very similar to real life. College degree in basket weaving just ain't helping me write the great american novel that i want to be my life's work this week. and it didn't do **** for my goal of designing a competitor for Google last week. :-/

And how people don't look at that and see a flaw in the skill system is beyond me.

People get bored and change their mind, playstyles evolve, players adapt.

What good are skill points that you have no interest in using? And before you FOTM lapdogs hop in here and yell that people only grow bored because they abused imbalances, get a life. People get bored and change their mind, playstyles evolve, players adapt. Skill points do not adapt. They are static and useless if you ever decide to change your mind.

Believe it or not, DUST is not real life, and it is also nothing but a vague shadow of EVE.

When you start removing 10 entire vehicles from the game for unknown amounts of time, drastically altering the stats and function of the remaining vehicles, while leaving AV alone (though likely these will be nerfed as well) you are in BETA, and your choices cannot have weight when they are being changed and made for you by CCP.

Allowing you to move your SP around doesn't give you more of it, and it doesn't make you more competent either. Assume a 6 mil SP player:

One day, Player goes into PRO logi suit, PRO drop uplink, PRO AR. He does some basic core work on armor and shields. Then he maybe goes ADV in scanners and hives, to round out his equip slots. All in all, the start of an okay Logi. Player plays this way for a day and hates it. Or plays this way for 3 months and gets bored. Whatever. Point is, he doesn't want to be a Logi anymore.

So, Player respecs. Gets all 6 mil SP back. Goes Heavy this time. Heavies can't use equip, so he keeps core skills but puts all that extra stuff into a sidearm and a LAV. Now he can't lay PRO Uplinks anymore. He can't revive teammates anymore, and he can't put out ammo anymore. But he can shoot down dropships from across the map.

The point being, the player is now in a different role. He's not filling both roles, he's filling one AT THE EXPENSE of the other. And in another 3 months, maybe he'll get bored again and want to try tanks this time.

Tack on an AURUM fee, like $5 per respec, and let players role what they want. CCP makes tons of money with this. Players are fluid without having to grind.

If Player wants to have situational suits at all times, like PRO Logi for support and PRO Heavy for AV, he still needs 12 mil+ SP. But even with respecs available, one guy is limited to one build per fight. What do you care if he changes builds in between fights? It's not like they mean anything in the long run.