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InsidiousN
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.10.04 18:23:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:Your contention seems to be that they do not have these plans and thus the game and company is doomed. My contention is that hey, maybe they do, but they don't share specific details publicly. Should they? That is another debate - on one hand like you said the community can provide input. On the other hand, they are under no obligation to do so and it can ultimately backfire and/or limit CCP's flexibility in the future. How can it backfire? |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.04 18:29:00 -
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People rage because they took "we would like to X" as a promise for "X" and when it is found to be not feasible or delayed for years, then it creates bitterness and ragequits.
Depending on the feature, public release could also be used by competitors with larger budgets and/or more available dev resources to "get there first" and undercut your market. |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
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Posted - 2013.10.04 18:35:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:just make sure to buy lots of Omega boosters Don't worry, we promise DUST isn't P2W. Hold on, we have to release 16 different AUR packages before we can fix that bug. yeah seems like they do more work on aur gear and aur sales than the game itself |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
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Posted - 2013.10.04 18:37:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:From my experience its more like this.
The city they started in isn't finished, the road between the two cities isn't finished, the location of the second city isn't honestly known, and the second city itself is more of a myth than an actual physical thing.
And they can't seem to figure out which one of these problems needs fixing first. well clearly they are planning for the location of rumored city 4 |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
1393
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Posted - 2013.10.04 18:42:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:just make sure to buy lots of Omega boosters Don't worry, we promise DUST isn't P2W. Hold on, we have to release 16 different AUR packages before we can fix that bug. yeah seems like they do more work on aur gear and aur sales than the game itself cuz that's ... how they pay... for the game maybe?
also, "they" is likely mostly marketing guys who wouldn't be much help doing the game design / coding anyway. i mean seriously, they don't even design new fits for these packages. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.04 19:01:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:In this thread: We now prove our personal business acumen with crystal ball insights into CCP's internal processes based on the company's public statements department and personal experience with the end product.
Also, WRT derailing the conversation... 1) My thread 2) Not your thread 3) Ya'll derailed the thread, and snarky comments are more than welcome.
I'm simply going on 10 years worth of feature abandonment, complaints from former employees and repeated patterns of people quitting/getting fired/re-assigned.
Hindsighting is a little more accurate than crystal balling, wouldn't you agree? |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.04 19:03:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:To be clear, since we are on the monthly (or roughly monthly anyways) release schedule we don't sit back 6 months in advance and plan what will be in each and every release.
I can't speak for every team on the project but at least for us here on True Grit we have a plan for the order in which we want to do things and we have an estimate as to how long each will take. So if someone in the company asks when feature X will be out we can say "about release Y." However in reality we work on features and then release them when they are done.
So when you ask what the purpose of the 1.6 release is, being honest, the purpose is to be a release that can carry the things that are done out. When we finish features we move them from our teams branch to the main DUST branch and they just go out with the next release.
TL;DR: 1.6, and all our monthly releases, serve the purpose of allow the devs to release whatever features/fixes/updates/etc. that are ready at that time. It's good to know that the game will get better. I wish ya'll the best. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
9190
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Posted - 2013.10.04 19:31:00 -
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InsidiousN wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:InsidiousN wrote: Yes, and "Management Reset: Organizing for Sustainable Effectiveness" written in 2011, is entirely about eliminating the old ways of doing business. It encourages the process of rapid short-term reevaluation and being able to adapt to an ever more rapidly changing world. However, that does not mean that companies should not plan for the long-term. A company should have a 2 year plan. However, they recommend that if necessary, sometimes it is best for a company to scrap or completely change that 2 year plan.
But without long-term guiding principles and goals, you work in a vacuum never being able to tell when you've spent enough time on one task and should move onto another. I highly recommend reading it or other books that cover a similar topic, if even for your own personal knowledge.
Then you're going to agree with me that sharing such plans does far more harm than good. That depends, who are you sharing these plans with? If they are shared with customers who can point out flaws well in advance and might even be part of that process of completely overhauling long-term plans then it is probably in a company's best interest to share their plans. Honestly, if CCP worked with the exact same process they are using now, but just told all of us exactly what they are doing they would receive far less hate, and be forgiven when something takes longer than initially expected. My worry, and point is that CCP themselves don't know exactly where they plan to be in the long-term and therefore are unable to tell us.
Let me elaborate
"Whhaaaaaaa CCP Promised us this feature last year whaaaaaa."
verses
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=113407&find=unread
which still had some very similar complaints still.
There are plans, trust me, Most of the CPM knew that this post was coming some long times back ago and had a good idea of when it would have been built up to the point of sharing.Just most of the time its better to not share these plans early as CCP accidentally did with the vehicles before QA happened to it. |
Epicsting pro
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.10.06 06:21:00 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE&feature=youtube_gdata_player |
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