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Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 1298	Posted - 2013.10.01 17:23:00 - [1] - Quote Non-troll honest question. Just looking for general things (CCP's ten words or less must, want, nice to have list) that will be worked on / iterated on for 1.6 now that vehicle and new infantry weapons have been pushed back. Something to do with FW? Something to do with economics? Inquiring minds want to know
Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 1440	Posted - 2013.10.01 17:24:00 - [2] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: Non-troll honest question. Just looking for general things (CCP's ten words or less must, want, nice to have list) that will be worked on / iterated on for 1.6 now that vehicle and new infantry weapons have been pushed back. Something to do with FW? Something to do with economics? Inquiring minds want to know whatever they have planed, its being pushed back
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 1067	Posted - 2013.10.01 17:25:00 - [3] - Quote Scout love, same as it was pre 1.5 vehicle patch. Also, buffing Gallente PG and weapon/suit balance(I'm just guessing and wishing)
ThePrinceOfNigeria Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 38	Posted - 2013.10.01 17:26:00 - [4] - Quote Pretty sure it goes something like this: CCP wrote: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women. SOURCE
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1860	Posted - 2013.10.01 17:26:00 - [5] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: Non-troll honest question. Just looking for general things (CCP's ten words or less must, want, nice to have list) that will be worked on / iterated on for 1.6 now that vehicle and new infantry weapons have been pushed back. Something to do with FW? Something to do with economics? Inquiring minds want to know CCP Sox Four has said that there are some (big hopefully) changes to FW on the way.
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles 3708	Posted - 2013.10.01 17:27:00 - [6] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Rogatien Merc wrote: Non-troll honest question. Just looking for general things (CCP's ten words or less must, want, nice to have list) that will be worked on / iterated on for 1.6 now that vehicle and new infantry weapons have been pushed back. Something to do with FW? Something to do with economics? Inquiring minds want to know whatever they have planed, its being pushed back just make sure to buy lots of Omega boosters
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6577	Posted - 2013.10.01 17:31:00 - [7] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: just make sure to buy lots of Omega boosters Don't worry, we promise DUST isn't P2W. Hold on, we have to release 16 different AUR packages before we can fix that bug.
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 1887	Posted - 2013.10.01 17:33:00 - [8] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: just make sure to buy lots of Omega boosters Don't worry, we promise DUST isn't P2W. Hold on, we have to release 16 different AUR packages before we can fix that bug. marketing has to realize this is not good PR sometimes.
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 435	Posted - 2013.10.01 17:37:00 - [9] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: Non-troll honest question. Just looking for general things (CCP's ten words or less must, want, nice to have list) that will be worked on / iterated on for 1.6 now that vehicle and new infantry weapons have been pushed back. Something to do with FW? Something to do with economics? Inquiring minds want to know I realize that you mean this constructively but they likely won't respond because it would set them up for more hate, rage and invective. Not from you, but from others who love to spread forum hate more than they like to play the game. I some blogs might come out like they sometimes do but a lot is riding on 1.6 because 1.5 seems like it might be a bit thin. So blogs might not be forthcoming. Having said this I'd like to see that stuff, too. Munch
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 1302	Posted - 2013.10.01 17:41:00 - [10] - Quote CCP's been farming troll tears for years. I think they can handle it. And they still actively communicate with the playerbase. Daily. /me sets up lawn chair and pulls out binoculars to look for a blue-tag


CCP FoxFour C C P C C P Alliance 133019	Posted - 2013.10.01 17:45:00 - [11] - Quote To be clear, since we are on the monthly (or roughly monthly anyways) release schedule we don't sit back 6 months in advance and plan what will be in each and every release. I can't speak for every team on the project but at least for us here on True Grit we have a plan for the order in which we want to do things and we have an estimate as to how long each will take. So if someone in the company asks when feature X will be out we can say "about release Y." However in reality we work on features and then release them when they are done. So when you ask what the purpose of the 1.6 release is, being honest, the purpose is to be a release that can carry the things that are done out. When we finish features we move them from our teams branch to the main DUST branch and they just go out with the next release. TL;DR: 1.6, and all our monthly releases, serve the purpose of allow the devs to release whatever features/fixes/updates/etc. that are ready at that time. Game Designer // Team True Grit http://twitter.com/regnerba

Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1993	Posted - 2013.10.01 17:47:00 - [12] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: To be clear, since we are on the monthly (or roughly monthly anyways) release schedule we don't sit back 6 months in advance and plan what will be in each and every release. I can't speak for every team on the project but at least for us here on True Grit we have a plan for the order in which we want to do things and we have an estimate as to how long each will take. So if someone in the company asks when feature X will be out we can say "about release Y." However in reality we work on features and then release them when they are done. So when you ask what the purpose of the 1.6 release is, being honest, the purpose is to be a release that can carry the things that are done out. When we finish features we move them from our teams branch to the main DUST branch and they just go out with the next release. TL;DR: 1.6, and all our monthly releases, serve the purpose of allow the devs to release whatever features/fixes/updates/etc. that are ready at that time. gonna go a long way to shut the entitled kids up or at least those that dont seem to understand that CCP is run by people, not robots
Athena Sentinel Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 110	Posted - 2013.10.01 17:48:00 - [13] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: To be clear, since we are on the monthly (or roughly monthly anyways) release schedule we don't sit back 6 months in advance and plan what will be in each and every release. I can't speak for every team on the project but at least for us here on True Grit we have a plan for the order in which we want to do things and we have an estimate as to how long each will take. So if someone in the company asks when feature X will be out we can say "about release Y." However in reality we work on features and then release them when they are done. So when you ask what the purpose of the 1.6 release is, being honest, the purpose is to be a release that can carry the things that are done out. When we finish features we move them from our teams branch to the main DUST branch and they just go out with the next release. TL;DR: 1.6, and all our monthly releases, serve the purpose of allow the devs to release whatever features/fixes/updates/etc. that are ready at that time. When is the next update?
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1042	Posted - 2013.10.01 17:49:00 - [14] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: To be clear, since we are on the monthly (or roughly monthly anyways) release schedule we don't sit back 6 months in advance and plan what will be in each and every release. I can't speak for every team on the project but at least for us here on True Grit we have a plan for the order in which we want to do things and we have an estimate as to how long each will take. So if someone in the company asks when feature X will be out we can say "about release Y." However in reality we work on features and then release them when they are done. So when you ask what the purpose of the 1.6 release is, being honest, the purpose is to be a release that can carry the things that are done out. When we finish features we move them from our teams branch to the main DUST branch and they just go out with the next release. TL;DR: 1.6, and all our monthly releases, serve the purpose of allow the devs to release whatever features/fixes/updates/etc. that are ready at that time. We understand that a release is defined as when you release things. Most of us passed 3rd grade reading comprehension. He obviously meant 'Do ANY of you have ANYTHING ready for 1.6?' The lawyer act is more irritating then silence. You can dislike silence, but you can hate a bad response.
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 1302	Posted - 2013.10.01 17:52:00 - [15] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: To be clear, since we are on the monthly (or roughly monthly anyways) release schedule we don't sit back 6 months in advance and plan what will be in each and every release. I can't speak for every team on the project but at least for us here on True Grit we have a plan for the order in which we want to do things and we have an estimate as to how long each will take. So if someone in the company asks when feature X will be out we can say "about release Y." However in reality we work on features and then release them when they are done. So when you ask what the purpose of the 1.6 release is, being honest, the purpose is to be a release that can carry the things that are done out. When we finish features we move them from our teams branch to the main DUST branch and they just go out with the next release. TL;DR: 1.6, and all our monthly releases, serve the purpose of allow the devs to release whatever features/fixes/updates/etc. that are ready at that time. Actually a great response, thanks. Wasn't sure if you guys knew which features were tentatively ready to be pushed into 1.6 so that's what I was sort of asking about, but if the answer is "dunno yet cuz we're working on it" then yeah, totally understandable. Thanks!
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1022	Posted - 2013.10.01 17:54:00 - [16] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: To be clear, since we are on the monthly (or roughly monthly anyways) release schedule we don't sit back 6 months in advance and plan what will be in each and every release. I can't speak for every team on the project but at least for us here on True Grit we have a plan for the order in which we want to do things and we have an estimate as to how long each will take. So if someone in the company asks when feature X will be out we can say "about release Y." However in reality we work on features and then release them when they are done. So when you ask what the purpose of the 1.6 release is, being honest, the purpose is to be a release that can carry the things that are done out. When we finish features we move them from our teams branch to the main DUST branch and they just go out with the next release. TL;DR: 1.6, and all our monthly releases, serve the purpose of allow the devs to release whatever features/fixes/updates/etc. that are ready at that time. Then let's rephrase the question: What do you intend to have ready for 1.6?
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 1302	Posted - 2013.10.01 17:54:00 - [17] - Quote Also, a lot of us understand it can be a pain in the ass on the dev side, but I think everyone really really likes the new monthly patch schedule compared to a 3- or 6-month patch schedule.
steadyhand amarr Amarr S.A.D 1438	Posted - 2013.10.01 17:55:00 - [18] - Quote fair enough and standard industry release cycle if a lit bit of a demanding one, it still would be nice to get named releases like the ones in EvE i would say going forword you only say what is been worked on and just avoid giving ETAs all ETAs do is upset people :D
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 1067	Posted - 2013.10.01 17:57:00 - [19] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: To be clear, since we are on the monthly (or roughly monthly anyways) release schedule we don't sit back 6 months in advance and plan what will be in each and every release. I can't speak for every team on the project but at least for us here on True Grit we have a plan for the order in which we want to do things and we have an estimate as to how long each will take. So if someone in the company asks when feature X will be out we can say "about release Y." However in reality we work on features and then release them when they are done. So when you ask what the purpose of the 1.6 release is, being honest, the purpose is to be a release that can carry the things that are done out. When we finish features we move them from our teams branch to the main DUST branch and they just go out with the next release. TL;DR: 1.6, and all our monthly releases, serve the purpose of allow the devs to release whatever features/fixes/updates/etc. that are ready at that time. 1.6 for scouts. Confirmed.
Brush Master HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 881	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:05:00 - [20] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: To be clear, since we are on the monthly (or roughly monthly anyways) release schedule we don't sit back 6 months in advance and plan what will be in each and every release. I can't speak for every team on the project but at least for us here on True Grit we have a plan for the order in which we want to do things and we have an estimate as to how long each will take. So if someone in the company asks when feature X will be out we can say "about release Y." However in reality we work on features and then release them when they are done. So when you ask what the purpose of the 1.6 release is, being honest, the purpose is to be a release that can carry the things that are done out. When we finish features we move them from our teams branch to the main DUST branch and they just go out with the next release. TL;DR: 1.6, and all our monthly releases, serve the purpose of allow the devs to release whatever features/fixes/updates/etc. that are ready at that time. great for telling them how it is; however, it would be nice to have a focus area of our team is working on xx feature sets. I think the community would be more engaged and interested in whats being built, general progress updates, etc then actually having a estimated release date they may or may not happen. Right now we just get bits of information here and there from various teams in various methods of communication.

Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 936	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:06:00 - [21] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: fair enough and standard industry release cycle if a lit bit of a demanding one, it still would be nice to get named releases like the ones in EvE i would say going forword you only say what is been worked on and just avoid giving ETAs all ETAs do is upset people :D I'm pretty sure those are major content updates, not small physics and UI fixes.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 936	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:13:00 - [22] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: To be clear, since we are on the monthly (or roughly monthly anyways) release schedule we don't sit back 6 months in advance and plan what will be in each and every release. I can't speak for every team on the project but at least for us here on True Grit we have a plan for the order in which we want to do things and we have an estimate as to how long each will take. So if someone in the company asks when feature X will be out we can say "about release Y." However in reality we work on features and then release them when they are done. So when you ask what the purpose of the 1.6 release is, being honest, the purpose is to be a release that can carry the things that are done out. When we finish features we move them from our teams branch to the main DUST branch and they just go out with the next release. TL;DR: 1.6, and all our monthly releases, serve the purpose of allow the devs to release whatever features/fixes/updates/etc. that are ready at that time. Could you let Wolfman know that there's a ton of pilots of all skill and SP levels biting their nails down to the bone, waiting to see what he's been working on, the stat changes for vehicles and AV, how vehicles will interact with infantry, and why he felt the changes weren't ready.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1551	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:14:00 - [23] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: TL;DR: 1.6, and all our monthly releases, serve the purpose of allow the devs to release whatever features/fixes/updates/etc. that are ready at that time. This is it in a nutshell (or a TL;DR). You try and tell people and they don't listen. I really don't get the ones that say hold the release until next month to be able to add whatever feature.
Ghost Kaisar Pradox One 393	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:27:00 - [24] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: To be clear, since we are on the monthly (or roughly monthly anyways) release schedule we don't sit back 6 months in advance and plan what will be in each and every release. I can't speak for every team on the project but at least for us here on True Grit we have a plan for the order in which we want to do things and we have an estimate as to how long each will take. So if someone in the company asks when feature X will be out we can say "about release Y." However in reality we work on features and then release them when they are done. So when you ask what the purpose of the 1.6 release is, being honest, the purpose is to be a release that can carry the things that are done out. When we finish features we move them from our teams branch to the main DUST branch and they just go out with the next release. TL;DR: 1.6, and all our monthly releases, serve the purpose of allow the devs to release whatever features/fixes/updates/etc. that are ready at that time. This explains why Patch notes are only released about 7 days before the patch.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 1006	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:28:00 - [25] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: To be clear, since we are on the monthly (or roughly monthly anyways) release schedule we don't sit back 6 months in advance and plan what will be in each and every release. I can't speak for every team on the project but at least for us here on True Grit we have a plan for the order in which we want to do things and we have an estimate as to how long each will take. So if someone in the company asks when feature X will be out we can say "about release Y." However in reality we work on features and then release them when they are done. So when you ask what the purpose of the 1.6 release is, being honest, the purpose is to be a release that can carry the things that are done out. When we finish features we move them from our teams branch to the main DUST branch and they just go out with the next release. TL;DR: 1.6, and all our monthly releases, serve the purpose of allow the devs to release whatever features/fixes/updates/etc. that are ready at that time. Is it too early to ask where CPM0 stands re: stakeholder status on 1.6?
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1046	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:30:00 - [26] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: TL;DR: 1.6, and all our monthly releases, serve the purpose of allow the devs to release whatever features/fixes/updates/etc. that are ready at that time. This is it in a nutshell (or a TL;DR). You try and tell people and they don't listen. I really don't get the ones that say hold the release until next month to be able to add whatever feature. I haven't heard anyone ask for them to hold for a month, but there were plenty reasonably asking to hold off for a few weeks. What most people do not understand about this cascading structure is that it is just as prone to slippage and 'just one more' as your standard 'insert feature when ready' update plan. Well, except Vehicle users, they're intimately aware of that. In cascading, a feature is almost done, but doesn't quite make it? Delayed a month. Want to add just one more thing to it? Delayed. Not being worked on to try and get into the monthlies? Forgotten n the backburner and delayed. The prevailing opinion of those that feel that Wolfman and his team are almost done with X and that the update should be held back is a reasonable enough point of view if you bother to think on it. Added to that the general lack of content for '1.5' and those people don't feel bad about asking to hold everything back. They aren't holding back vehicle updates or a new weapon if they stall so many of the big forum names like Jaraiya(Heavies) Char and Maple(HAVs) or others don't have to argue either way, as far as I know the only person who would be saddened by the current 'update' being postponed is the DUST Uni CEO. Without a big player stating their opinion and giving a valued response on the issue besides Maple finding out that Vehicles are SO unready as to not even go into 1.7, people have nothing to rally around one way or the other. Therefore, the community at large has no closure and you keep seeing little guys try to get out their fragmented versions of the thread. So, in short, holding back 1.5 a few weeks is a reasonable POV because it entails holding nothing back and getting something two and a half weeks earlier than we would if we had to wait for the November cascade.
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis 545	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:32:00 - [27] - Quote What would be nice to know is what some of the other near-release projects are in the works that could be seen in 1.6-1.7 or so on. The only bits of information we have had are about the vehicles and the two weapons. Is that the only thing that the non-TTG/Map devs are working on or are there other things we might get? A little hope for any additional content this year may go a long way.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1552	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:49:00 - [28] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: So, in short, holding back 1.5 a few weeks is a reasonable POV because it entails holding nothing back and getting something two and a half weeks earlier than we would if we had to wait for the November cascade. One month = 4 weeks A few weeks ~ 3 weeks = almost the next release Don't forget scheduling Sony QA
Busta Kap Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 0	Posted - 2013.10.01 22:00:00 - [29] - Quote Thanks CCP. Keep those wheels turning. I think the biggest reason we players can be such a pain in the a$$ is because we love the product so much.
Levithunder Butt Hurt Try Hards 78	Posted - 2013.10.01 22:03:00 - [30] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: To be clear, since we are on the monthly (or roughly monthly anyways) release schedule we don't sit back 6 months in advance and plan what will be in each and every release. I can't speak for every team on the project but at least for us here on True Grit we have a plan for the order in which we want to do things and we have an estimate as to how long each will take. So if someone in the company asks when feature X will be out we can say "about release Y." However in reality we work on features and then release them when they are done. So when you ask what the purpose of the 1.6 release is, being honest, the purpose is to be a release that can carry the things that are done out. When we finish features we move them from our teams branch to the main DUST branch and they just go out with the next release. TL;DR: 1.6, and all our monthly releases, serve the purpose of allow the devs to release whatever features/fixes/updates/etc. that are ready at that time. gonna go a long way to shut the entitled kids up or at least those that dont seem to understand that CCP is run by people, not robots Explains Why we don't have PvE yet...



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