DUST Search - Removal of BPOs - First Step for merging the markets?

calisk galern wrote:

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

calisk galern wrote:

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

calisk galern wrote:

that is true, but amount of lose you're talking about for using the base item is like 100-700 isk....

you won't be losing much, and it's a guarnteed profit either way.

if a person spends millions of isk to buy one of these bpos they would need to die 1000's of times for it to make them a profit.

I wouldn't touch the infantry BPOs for the reason you mention (militia is so cheap) and because of the high fitting costs compared to standard modules.

However, vehicle module BPOs are a whole different story. They cost thousands of ISK, and most players don't have the skill for standard modules. I recently picked some up because I had some spare AUR and the BPOs are as good as the best ISK equivalents I can use. For (I think) 4,500 AUR my BPO LAV (from a pack) now has three shield damage reduction modules sat on it - has saved me a couple of times already.

Now you might say 'why waste AUR when you could just buy the modules for ISK', but bear in mind this is my throwaway LAV fit. At the start of every match I drive it to the objective and forget about it. Three militia modules is still tens of thousands of ISK, and I wouldn't feel I had the freedom to abandon the vehicle if I'd paid for it. I'd have to go back and recall it, which loses me time and is a risk. So you're not only paying AUR to save yourself ISK but also for the freedom.

i'll agree that is true right now, but let's say in the near future they balance match pay outs and you start gaining 600k-1mil isk from a win, in some new game mode.

would that 10k from throw away mods really matter. I have an lav bpo, and that thing will be useful for a long time, but I could see eventually having so much isk that it really doesn't matter as well.

Don't think we'll ever have 1mil ISK for a win. It would be terrible for newbros as vets would be full proto 24/7.

we get 2 mil isk from a pc win right now, usually you get an extra 400-600k in salvage as well

eve operates in 100's of billions of isk, dust operates in millions, unless this gap is changed an open market will always be impossible, and this is likely why we don't have it yet.

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Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1003	Posted - 2013.09.30 13:37:00 - [1] - Quote News finally got around that you're going to remove all BPOs from the ingame market with the Release of Uprising 1.5. So: Is this the first step to merge the market with Eve Online? Is it maybe something we'll see with 1.6 already?
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 646	Posted - 2013.09.30 13:40:00 - [2] - Quote Lets hope so. As long as I get to keep my BPO I am happy. Question is will I be able to sell my extra BPO items?
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1293	Posted - 2013.09.30 13:40:00 - [3] - Quote Im going to make so much isk if we get an open market
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 428	Posted - 2013.09.30 14:22:00 - [4] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: Im going to make so much isk if we get an open market I'm not sure I follow. Are you buying BPOs? If you are, do you plan to sell that stuff for big profits? The gear it provides is pretty much exactly the same as militia gear. And militia gear is so cheap you can find it in garbage bins, in piles on the sidewalk, free with every newspaper, free with every spam email from Nigeria, given away like candy at Halloween and free in cereal boxes. For 600 or 700 ISK per militia dropsuit? When you can earn way, way more ISK than that from being in a battle? I think CCP would have to bump up the cost of milita gear or drop the ISK rewards for battles (or both) for the militia gear BPO market to succeed. It might make sense for BPO advanced gear because you can make pretty good fittings with advanced gear if you have your basic skills maxed out. In my opinion, they are dropping the BPOs because they aren't a big cash cow. If they were selling lots of BPOs I really don't think they'd drop them from the market. They'd up the price to either rake in more money or to decrease demand. But hey, I'm not an economist. Or are you saying you play so much that you have tons of salvage to sell? Munch
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1300	Posted - 2013.09.30 14:26:00 - [5] - Quote Poonmunch wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: Im going to make so much isk if we get an open market I'm not sure I follow. Are you buying BPOs? If you are, do you plan to sell that stuff for big profits? The gear it provides is pretty much exactly the same as militia gear. And militia gear is so cheap you can find it in garbage bins, in piles on the sidewalk, free with every newspaper, free with every spam email from Nigeria, given away like candy at Halloween and free in cereal boxes. For 600 or 700 ISK per militia dropsuit? When you can earn way, way more ISK than that from being in a battle? I think CCP would have to bump up the cost of milita gear or drop the ISK rewards for battles (or both) for the militia gear BPO market to succeed. It might make sense for BPO advanced gear because you can make pretty good fittings with advanced gear if you have your basic skills maxed out. In my opinion, they are dropping the BPOs because they aren't a big cash cow. If they were selling lots of BPOs I really don't think they'd drop them from the market. They'd up the price to either rake in more money or to decrease demand. But hey, I'm not an economist. Or are you saying you play so much that you have tons of salvage to sell? Munch I have Blueprints i dont use... and that havent been around since BETA. If you cant get them anymore or they become seemingly rare, then people will pay for them when they become available on the market.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3944	Posted - 2013.09.30 14:27:00 - [6] - Quote Wonder if these BPO's will become tradable at some point :3
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1034	Posted - 2013.09.30 14:28:00 - [7] - Quote the current blue prints will likely be the same as militia blue prints in eve....worthless. I mean if they are going into a eve industrial production method, they will have proto blue prints available, but they will need to be used to actually produce the suits and sell them on the market, assuming this is true the ones we have now will likely be worthless to eve players as they will never spend their money on them. assuming the functionality of the current bpos remain the same they will only have collector value attached to them.
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 1283	Posted - 2013.09.30 14:30:00 - [8] - Quote BPOs were also on the market for like 50 AUR a pop for the longest time during beta before CCP bumped the price up 100-fold for open beta some people stocked up. Not sure it'll pay off cuz... militia gear. But we'll see.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1771	Posted - 2013.09.30 14:30:00 - [9] - Quote lol, no.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1034	Posted - 2013.09.30 14:31:00 - [10] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: BPOs were also on the market for like 50 AUR a pop for the longest time during beta before CCP bumped the price up 100-fold for open beta some people stocked up. Not sure it'll pay off cuz... militia gear. But we'll see. this is another reason why they will be worthless

Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 428	Posted - 2013.09.30 14:34:00 - [11] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: I have Blueprints i dont use... and that havent been around since BETA. If you cant get them anymore or they become seemingly rare, then people will pay for them when they become available on the market. People will only buy them from you if they need them and if they are cheaper than what they can get elsewhere. My understanding is that these type of low-level BPOs don't sell well in EVE. Munch
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1034	Posted - 2013.09.30 14:35:00 - [12] - Quote seriously guys how much would you pay in isk for a militia bpo? I wouldn't pay over a mil for something i'd never use, and even that is a stretch, since it won't save me nearly that much isk...
Dust Junky 4Life Intara Direct Action Caldari State 12	Posted - 2013.09.30 14:35:00 - [13] - Quote U will NEVER be able to trade sell BPO's!! Suckers.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1300	Posted - 2013.09.30 14:37:00 - [14] - Quote Come on... most were more like 15-20 AUR The trick is they are ISK makers for anyone who owns them, and if you cant get hold of them anymore they become worth more. i can lose 0isk in a match with a suit that is fundementally better purely to better fitting than other militia free suits.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1036	Posted - 2013.09.30 14:39:00 - [15] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: Come on... most were more like 15-20 AUR The trick is they are ISK makers for anyone who owns them, and if you cant get hold of them anymore they become worth more. i can lose 0isk in a match with a suit that is fundementally better purely to better fitting than other militia free suits. that is true, but amount of lose you're talking about for using the base item is like 100-700 isk.... you won't be losing much, and it's a guarnteed profit either way. if a person spends millions of isk to buy one of these bpos they would need to die 1000's of times for it to make them a profit.
Kay High KILL ORDERS 122	Posted - 2013.09.30 14:51:00 - [16] - Quote calisk galern wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: Come on... most were more like 15-20 AUR The trick is they are ISK makers for anyone who owns them, and if you cant get hold of them anymore they become worth more. i can lose 0isk in a match with a suit that is fundementally better purely to better fitting than other militia free suits. that is true, but amount of lose you're talking about for using the base item is like 100-700 isk.... you won't be losing much, and it's a guarnteed profit either way. if a person spends millions of isk to buy one of these bpos they would need to die 1000's of times for it to make them a profit. There are perma newbs out there that would pay for these items, since they do die 10's of thousands of times. I have BPO suits and moduals and they save me a ton of money in the long run. I use Sever logi suits and that is BPO as a result , my most expencive suit is 17k ISK and I'm using many Advance mods.
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 82	Posted - 2013.09.30 14:55:00 - [17] - Quote calisk galern wrote: that is true, but amount of lose you're talking about for using the base item is like 100-700 isk.... you won't be losing much, and it's a guarnteed profit either way. if a person spends millions of isk to buy one of these bpos they would need to die 1000's of times for it to make them a profit. I wouldn't touch the infantry BPOs for the reason you mention (militia is so cheap) and because of the high fitting costs compared to basic. However, vehicle module BPOs are a whole different story. They cost thousands of ISK. I recently picked some up because I had some spare AUR and no skills in vehicles, so the BPOs are as good as the best equivalents I can buy for ISK. For (I think) 4,500 AUR my BPO LAV (from a pack) now has three shield damage reduction modules sat on it - has saved me a few times already from rails and AV nades. Now you might say 'why waste AUR when you could just buy the modules for ISK', but bear in mind this is my throwaway LAV fit. At the start of every match I drive it to the objective and forget about it. Three militia modules is still tens of thousands of ISK, and I wouldn't feel I had the freedom to abandon the vehicle if I'd paid for it. I'd have to go back and recall it, which loses me time and is a risk. So you're not only paying AUR to save yourself ISK but also for the freedom.
Dirks Macker Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 79	Posted - 2013.09.30 14:59:00 - [18] - Quote I'll take a guess and say they will probably make you build items from your BPOs in the future, likely with minerals.
Jason Pearson Animus Securities 2940	Posted - 2013.09.30 15:01:00 - [19] - Quote I'm glad they're doing this, it's a step in the right direction.. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1036	Posted - 2013.09.30 15:03:00 - [20] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: calisk galern wrote: that is true, but amount of lose you're talking about for using the base item is like 100-700 isk.... you won't be losing much, and it's a guarnteed profit either way. if a person spends millions of isk to buy one of these bpos they would need to die 1000's of times for it to make them a profit. I wouldn't touch the infantry BPOs for the reason you mention (militia is so cheap) and because of the high fitting costs compared to standard modules. However, vehicle module BPOs are a whole different story. They cost thousands of ISK, and most players don't have the skill for standard modules. I recently picked some up because I had some spare AUR and the BPOs are as good as the best ISK equivalents I can use. For (I think) 4,500 AUR my BPO LAV (from a pack) now has three shield damage reduction modules sat on it - has saved me a couple of times already. Now you might say 'why waste AUR when you could just buy the modules for ISK', but bear in mind this is my throwaway LAV fit. At the start of every match I drive it to the objective and forget about it. Three militia modules is still tens of thousands of ISK, and I wouldn't feel I had the freedom to abandon the vehicle if I'd paid for it. I'd have to go back and recall it, which loses me time and is a risk. So you're not only paying AUR to save yourself ISK but also for the freedom. i'll agree that is true right now, but let's say in the near future they balance match pay outs and you start gaining 600k-1mil isk from a win, in some new game mode. would that 10k from throw away mods really matter. I have an lav bpo, and that thing will be useful for a long time, but I could see eventually having so much isk that it really doesn't matter as well.

Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1006	Posted - 2013.09.30 15:05:00 - [21] - Quote Dirks Macker wrote: I'll take a guess and say they will probably make you build items from your BPOs in the future, likely with minerals. That would actually be nice. Because it would mean we can mine.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 753	Posted - 2013.09.30 15:05:00 - [22] - Quote Subversive thought of the day: Given the fact that CCP is actively trying to reduce reliance on BPOs, what makes you think there's going to be a spot for sellable BPOs on the future market? CCP could just as likely determine BPOs to be personal use only for the people lucky enough to buy them when they had the ability. Caveat emptor, ya'll.
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack 490	Posted - 2013.09.30 15:12:00 - [23] - Quote I'm surprised about the BPO removal. I figured it was a nice sell to push Aurum sales, which means more money into CCP's pocket. Apparently, they don't need this source of Aurum sales now. It's probably a good thing, reading between the lines.
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 82	Posted - 2013.09.30 15:29:00 - [24] - Quote calisk galern wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: calisk galern wrote: that is true, but amount of lose you're talking about for using the base item is like 100-700 isk.... you won't be losing much, and it's a guarnteed profit either way. if a person spends millions of isk to buy one of these bpos they would need to die 1000's of times for it to make them a profit. I wouldn't touch the infantry BPOs for the reason you mention (militia is so cheap) and because of the high fitting costs compared to standard modules. However, vehicle module BPOs are a whole different story. They cost thousands of ISK, and most players don't have the skill for standard modules. I recently picked some up because I had some spare AUR and the BPOs are as good as the best ISK equivalents I can use. For (I think) 4,500 AUR my BPO LAV (from a pack) now has three shield damage reduction modules sat on it - has saved me a couple of times already. Now you might say 'why waste AUR when you could just buy the modules for ISK', but bear in mind this is my throwaway LAV fit. At the start of every match I drive it to the objective and forget about it. Three militia modules is still tens of thousands of ISK, and I wouldn't feel I had the freedom to abandon the vehicle if I'd paid for it. I'd have to go back and recall it, which loses me time and is a risk. So you're not only paying AUR to save yourself ISK but also for the freedom. i'll agree that is true right now, but let's say in the near future they balance match pay outs and you start gaining 600k-1mil isk from a win, in some new game mode. would that 10k from throw away mods really matter. I have an lav bpo, and that thing will be useful for a long time, but I could see eventually having so much isk that it really doesn't matter as well. Don't think we'll ever have 1mil ISK for a win. It would be terrible for newbros as vets would be full proto 24/7.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1038	Posted - 2013.09.30 15:33:00 - [25] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: calisk galern wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: calisk galern wrote: that is true, but amount of lose you're talking about for using the base item is like 100-700 isk.... you won't be losing much, and it's a guarnteed profit either way. if a person spends millions of isk to buy one of these bpos they would need to die 1000's of times for it to make them a profit. I wouldn't touch the infantry BPOs for the reason you mention (militia is so cheap) and because of the high fitting costs compared to standard modules. However, vehicle module BPOs are a whole different story. They cost thousands of ISK, and most players don't have the skill for standard modules. I recently picked some up because I had some spare AUR and the BPOs are as good as the best ISK equivalents I can use. For (I think) 4,500 AUR my BPO LAV (from a pack) now has three shield damage reduction modules sat on it - has saved me a couple of times already. Now you might say 'why waste AUR when you could just buy the modules for ISK', but bear in mind this is my throwaway LAV fit. At the start of every match I drive it to the objective and forget about it. Three militia modules is still tens of thousands of ISK, and I wouldn't feel I had the freedom to abandon the vehicle if I'd paid for it. I'd have to go back and recall it, which loses me time and is a risk. So you're not only paying AUR to save yourself ISK but also for the freedom. i'll agree that is true right now, but let's say in the near future they balance match pay outs and you start gaining 600k-1mil isk from a win, in some new game mode. would that 10k from throw away mods really matter. I have an lav bpo, and that thing will be useful for a long time, but I could see eventually having so much isk that it really doesn't matter as well. Don't think we'll ever have 1mil ISK for a win. It would be terrible for newbros as vets would be full proto 24/7. we get 2 mil isk from a pc win right now, usually you get an extra 400-600k in salvage as well eve operates in 100's of billions of isk, dust operates in millions, unless this gap is changed an open market will always be impossible, and this is likely why we don't have it yet.
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 82	Posted - 2013.09.30 16:11:00 - [26] - Quote calisk galern wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: calisk galern wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: calisk galern wrote: that is true, but amount of lose you're talking about for using the base item is like 100-700 isk.... you won't be losing much, and it's a guarnteed profit either way. if a person spends millions of isk to buy one of these bpos they would need to die 1000's of times for it to make them a profit. I wouldn't touch the infantry BPOs for the reason you mention (militia is so cheap) and because of the high fitting costs compared to standard modules. However, vehicle module BPOs are a whole different story. They cost thousands of ISK, and most players don't have the skill for standard modules. I recently picked some up because I had some spare AUR and the BPOs are as good as the best ISK equivalents I can use. For (I think) 4,500 AUR my BPO LAV (from a pack) now has three shield damage reduction modules sat on it - has saved me a couple of times already. Now you might say 'why waste AUR when you could just buy the modules for ISK', but bear in mind this is my throwaway LAV fit. At the start of every match I drive it to the objective and forget about it. Three militia modules is still tens of thousands of ISK, and I wouldn't feel I had the freedom to abandon the vehicle if I'd paid for it. I'd have to go back and recall it, which loses me time and is a risk. So you're not only paying AUR to save yourself ISK but also for the freedom. i'll agree that is true right now, but let's say in the near future they balance match pay outs and you start gaining 600k-1mil isk from a win, in some new game mode. would that 10k from throw away mods really matter. I have an lav bpo, and that thing will be useful for a long time, but I could see eventually having so much isk that it really doesn't matter as well. Don't think we'll ever have 1mil ISK for a win. It would be terrible for newbros as vets would be full proto 24/7. we get 2 mil isk from a pc win right now, usually you get an extra 400-600k in salvage as well eve operates in 100's of billions of isk, dust operates in millions, unless this gap is changed an open market will always be impossible, and this is likely why we don't have it yet. I can't see a unified Dust-Eve market happening for years, but if it did happen I think they'd increase the prices on gear as well as the payouts. So my BPOs would be saving me a lot more ISK than they do now.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1010	Posted - 2013.09.30 16:35:00 - [27] - Quote calisk galern wrote: we get 2 mil isk from a pc win right now, usually you get an extra 400-600k in salvage as well eve operates in 100's of billions of isk, dust operates in millions, unless this gap is changed an open market will always be impossible, and this is likely why we don't have it yet. In terms of money GENERATED Dust 514 is equal to Eve. Because most Eve players don't generate money. They get from other players what already exists.
RECON BY FIRE Internal Rebellion 249	Posted - 2013.09.30 16:35:00 - [28] - Quote Im willing to bet this has nothing at all to do with merging the markets and more so to do with AUR sales being much lower than they have ever been so they are hoping people will rush to buy BPOs before they go away.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1730	Posted - 2013.09.30 16:40:00 - [29] - Quote Even without the isk transfer from Eve to Dust, there are players and even corps that could use their current savings to probably buy up the daily purchase of certain dropsuits or weapons. There could be some serious market manipulation on day 1. Its would be smart to diversify your core weapon/suit skills.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1020	Posted - 2013.09.30 16:50:00 - [30] - Quote Dust Junky 4Life wrote: U will NEVER be able to trade sell BPO's!! Suckers. Actually we will be able to because that sort of player to market interaction actually makes CCP more money then the system they currently have. If you want proof you can just look at the PLEX market on EVE online. More people don't want to spend money on subscription so they buy PLEX's in game for millions of isk (over 500M per 30 day Plex) The more people buying PLEX, the more the price for them goes up. As the price of the PLEX goes up more people are willing to buy PLEX and then sell them on the market (to make a quick buck). This sort of system can be done in Dust via the purchasing of AUR and selling of AUR. As more people are buying AUR out of the market circulation, the value of AUR will go up and this will encourage more people to buy AUR and sell it for Isk.



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