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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.30 13:37:00 -
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News finally got around that you're going to remove all BPOs from the ingame market with the Release of Uprising 1.5. So: Is this the first step to merge the market with Eve Online? Is it maybe something we'll see with 1.6 already? |
calvin b
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
646
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Posted - 2013.09.30 13:40:00 -
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Lets hope so. As long as I get to keep my BPO I am happy. Question is will I be able to sell my extra BPO items? |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1293
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Posted - 2013.09.30 13:40:00 -
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Im going to make so much isk if we get an open market |
Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
428
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Posted - 2013.09.30 14:22:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:Im going to make so much isk if we get an open market
I'm not sure I follow.
Are you buying BPOs?
If you are, do you plan to sell that stuff for big profits? The gear it provides is pretty much exactly the same as militia gear. And militia gear is so cheap you can find it in garbage bins, in piles on the sidewalk, free with every newspaper, free with every spam email from Nigeria, given away like candy at Halloween and free in cereal boxes.
For 600 or 700 ISK per militia dropsuit? When you can earn way, way more ISK than that from being in a battle?
I think CCP would have to bump up the cost of milita gear or drop the ISK rewards for battles (or both) for the militia gear BPO market to succeed.
It might make sense for BPO advanced gear because you can make pretty good fittings with advanced gear if you have your basic skills maxed out.
In my opinion, they are dropping the BPOs because they aren't a big cash cow. If they were selling lots of BPOs I really don't think they'd drop them from the market. They'd up the price to either rake in more money or to decrease demand.
But hey, I'm not an economist.
Or are you saying you play so much that you have tons of salvage to sell?
Munch |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1300
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Posted - 2013.09.30 14:26:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:Im going to make so much isk if we get an open market I'm not sure I follow. Are you buying BPOs? If you are, do you plan to sell that stuff for big profits? The gear it provides is pretty much exactly the same as militia gear. And militia gear is so cheap you can find it in garbage bins, in piles on the sidewalk, free with every newspaper, free with every spam email from Nigeria, given away like candy at Halloween and free in cereal boxes. For 600 or 700 ISK per militia dropsuit? When you can earn way, way more ISK than that from being in a battle? I think CCP would have to bump up the cost of milita gear or drop the ISK rewards for battles (or both) for the militia gear BPO market to succeed. It might make sense for BPO advanced gear because you can make pretty good fittings with advanced gear if you have your basic skills maxed out. In my opinion, they are dropping the BPOs because they aren't a big cash cow. If they were selling lots of BPOs I really don't think they'd drop them from the market. They'd up the price to either rake in more money or to decrease demand. But hey, I'm not an economist. Or are you saying you play so much that you have tons of salvage to sell? Munch
I have Blueprints i dont use... and that havent been around since BETA. If you cant get them anymore or they become seemingly rare, then people will pay for them when they become available on the market.
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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
3944
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Posted - 2013.09.30 14:27:00 -
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Wonder if these BPO's will become tradable at some point :3 |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
1034
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Posted - 2013.09.30 14:28:00 -
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the current blue prints will likely be the same as militia blue prints in eve....worthless.
I mean if they are going into a eve industrial production method, they will have proto blue prints available, but they will need to be used to actually produce the suits and sell them on the market, assuming this is true the ones we have now will likely be worthless to eve players as they will never spend their money on them.
assuming the functionality of the current bpos remain the same they will only have collector value attached to them. |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
1283
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Posted - 2013.09.30 14:30:00 -
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BPOs were also on the market for like 50 AUR a pop for the longest time during beta before CCP bumped the price up 100-fold for open beta some people stocked up. Not sure it'll pay off cuz... militia gear. But we'll see. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1771
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Posted - 2013.09.30 14:30:00 -
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lol, no. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
1034
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Posted - 2013.09.30 14:31:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:BPOs were also on the market for like 50 AUR a pop for the longest time during beta before CCP bumped the price up 100-fold for open beta some people stocked up. Not sure it'll pay off cuz... militia gear. But we'll see.
this is another reason why they will be worthless |
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
428
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Posted - 2013.09.30 14:34:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:I have Blueprints i dont use... and that havent been around since BETA. If you cant get them anymore or they become seemingly rare, then people will pay for them when they become available on the market.
People will only buy them from you if they need them and if they are cheaper than what they can get elsewhere.
My understanding is that these type of low-level BPOs don't sell well in EVE.
Munch |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
1034
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Posted - 2013.09.30 14:35:00 -
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seriously guys how much would you pay in isk for a militia bpo?
I wouldn't pay over a mil for something i'd never use, and even that is a stretch, since it won't save me nearly that much isk... |
Dust Junky 4Life
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.09.30 14:35:00 -
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U will NEVER be able to trade sell BPO's!! Suckers.
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ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1300
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Posted - 2013.09.30 14:37:00 -
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Come on... most were more like 15-20 AUR
The trick is they are ISK makers for anyone who owns them, and if you cant get hold of them anymore they become worth more.
i can lose 0isk in a match with a suit that is fundementally better purely to better fitting than other militia free suits. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
1036
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Posted - 2013.09.30 14:39:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:Come on... most were more like 15-20 AUR
The trick is they are ISK makers for anyone who owns them, and if you cant get hold of them anymore they become worth more.
i can lose 0isk in a match with a suit that is fundementally better purely to better fitting than other militia free suits.
that is true, but amount of lose you're talking about for using the base item is like 100-700 isk....
you won't be losing much, and it's a guarnteed profit either way.
if a person spends millions of isk to buy one of these bpos they would need to die 1000's of times for it to make them a profit. |
Kay High
KILL ORDERS
122
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Posted - 2013.09.30 14:51:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:Come on... most were more like 15-20 AUR
The trick is they are ISK makers for anyone who owns them, and if you cant get hold of them anymore they become worth more.
i can lose 0isk in a match with a suit that is fundementally better purely to better fitting than other militia free suits. that is true, but amount of lose you're talking about for using the base item is like 100-700 isk.... you won't be losing much, and it's a guarnteed profit either way. if a person spends millions of isk to buy one of these bpos they would need to die 1000's of times for it to make them a profit. There are perma newbs out there that would pay for these items, since they do die 10's of thousands of times. I have BPO suits and moduals and they save me a ton of money in the long run. I use Sever logi suits and that is BPO as a result , my most expencive suit is 17k ISK and I'm using many Advance mods. |
Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
82
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Posted - 2013.09.30 14:55:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:that is true, but amount of lose you're talking about for using the base item is like 100-700 isk....
you won't be losing much, and it's a guarnteed profit either way.
if a person spends millions of isk to buy one of these bpos they would need to die 1000's of times for it to make them a profit. I wouldn't touch the infantry BPOs for the reason you mention (militia is so cheap) and because of the high fitting costs compared to basic.
However, vehicle module BPOs are a whole different story. They cost thousands of ISK. I recently picked some up because I had some spare AUR and no skills in vehicles, so the BPOs are as good as the best equivalents I can buy for ISK. For (I think) 4,500 AUR my BPO LAV (from a pack) now has three shield damage reduction modules sat on it - has saved me a few times already from rails and AV nades.
Now you might say 'why waste AUR when you could just buy the modules for ISK', but bear in mind this is my throwaway LAV fit. At the start of every match I drive it to the objective and forget about it. Three militia modules is still tens of thousands of ISK, and I wouldn't feel I had the freedom to abandon the vehicle if I'd paid for it. I'd have to go back and recall it, which loses me time and is a risk. So you're not only paying AUR to save yourself ISK but also for the freedom. |
Dirks Macker
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
79
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Posted - 2013.09.30 14:59:00 -
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I'll take a guess and say they will probably make you build items from your BPOs in the future, likely with minerals. |
Jason Pearson
Animus Securities
2940
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Posted - 2013.09.30 15:01:00 -
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I'm glad they're doing this, it's a step in the right direction..
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
1036
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Posted - 2013.09.30 15:03:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:calisk galern wrote:that is true, but amount of lose you're talking about for using the base item is like 100-700 isk....
you won't be losing much, and it's a guarnteed profit either way.
if a person spends millions of isk to buy one of these bpos they would need to die 1000's of times for it to make them a profit. I wouldn't touch the infantry BPOs for the reason you mention (militia is so cheap) and because of the high fitting costs compared to standard modules. However, vehicle module BPOs are a whole different story. They cost thousands of ISK, and most players don't have the skill for standard modules. I recently picked some up because I had some spare AUR and the BPOs are as good as the best ISK equivalents I can use. For (I think) 4,500 AUR my BPO LAV (from a pack) now has three shield damage reduction modules sat on it - has saved me a couple of times already. Now you might say 'why waste AUR when you could just buy the modules for ISK', but bear in mind this is my throwaway LAV fit. At the start of every match I drive it to the objective and forget about it. Three militia modules is still tens of thousands of ISK, and I wouldn't feel I had the freedom to abandon the vehicle if I'd paid for it. I'd have to go back and recall it, which loses me time and is a risk. So you're not only paying AUR to save yourself ISK but also for the freedom.
i'll agree that is true right now, but let's say in the near future they balance match pay outs and you start gaining 600k-1mil isk from a win, in some new game mode.
would that 10k from throw away mods really matter. I have an lav bpo, and that thing will be useful for a long time, but I could see eventually having so much isk that it really doesn't matter as well. |
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1006
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Posted - 2013.09.30 15:05:00 -
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Dirks Macker wrote:I'll take a guess and say they will probably make you build items from your BPOs in the future, likely with minerals.
That would actually be nice. Because it would mean we can mine. |
Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
753
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Posted - 2013.09.30 15:05:00 -
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Subversive thought of the day:
Given the fact that CCP is actively trying to reduce reliance on BPOs, what makes you think there's going to be a spot for sellable BPOs on the future market?
CCP could just as likely determine BPOs to be personal use only for the people lucky enough to buy them when they had the ability.
Caveat emptor, ya'll. |
Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
490
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Posted - 2013.09.30 15:12:00 -
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I'm surprised about the BPO removal. I figured it was a nice sell to push Aurum sales, which means more money into CCP's pocket. Apparently, they don't need this source of Aurum sales now. It's probably a good thing, reading between the lines. |
Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
82
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Posted - 2013.09.30 15:29:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:calisk galern wrote:that is true, but amount of lose you're talking about for using the base item is like 100-700 isk....
you won't be losing much, and it's a guarnteed profit either way.
if a person spends millions of isk to buy one of these bpos they would need to die 1000's of times for it to make them a profit. I wouldn't touch the infantry BPOs for the reason you mention (militia is so cheap) and because of the high fitting costs compared to standard modules. However, vehicle module BPOs are a whole different story. They cost thousands of ISK, and most players don't have the skill for standard modules. I recently picked some up because I had some spare AUR and the BPOs are as good as the best ISK equivalents I can use. For (I think) 4,500 AUR my BPO LAV (from a pack) now has three shield damage reduction modules sat on it - has saved me a couple of times already. Now you might say 'why waste AUR when you could just buy the modules for ISK', but bear in mind this is my throwaway LAV fit. At the start of every match I drive it to the objective and forget about it. Three militia modules is still tens of thousands of ISK, and I wouldn't feel I had the freedom to abandon the vehicle if I'd paid for it. I'd have to go back and recall it, which loses me time and is a risk. So you're not only paying AUR to save yourself ISK but also for the freedom. i'll agree that is true right now, but let's say in the near future they balance match pay outs and you start gaining 600k-1mil isk from a win, in some new game mode. would that 10k from throw away mods really matter. I have an lav bpo, and that thing will be useful for a long time, but I could see eventually having so much isk that it really doesn't matter as well. Don't think we'll ever have 1mil ISK for a win. It would be terrible for newbros as vets would be full proto 24/7. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
1038
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Posted - 2013.09.30 15:33:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:calisk galern wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:calisk galern wrote:that is true, but amount of lose you're talking about for using the base item is like 100-700 isk....
you won't be losing much, and it's a guarnteed profit either way.
if a person spends millions of isk to buy one of these bpos they would need to die 1000's of times for it to make them a profit. I wouldn't touch the infantry BPOs for the reason you mention (militia is so cheap) and because of the high fitting costs compared to standard modules. However, vehicle module BPOs are a whole different story. They cost thousands of ISK, and most players don't have the skill for standard modules. I recently picked some up because I had some spare AUR and the BPOs are as good as the best ISK equivalents I can use. For (I think) 4,500 AUR my BPO LAV (from a pack) now has three shield damage reduction modules sat on it - has saved me a couple of times already. Now you might say 'why waste AUR when you could just buy the modules for ISK', but bear in mind this is my throwaway LAV fit. At the start of every match I drive it to the objective and forget about it. Three militia modules is still tens of thousands of ISK, and I wouldn't feel I had the freedom to abandon the vehicle if I'd paid for it. I'd have to go back and recall it, which loses me time and is a risk. So you're not only paying AUR to save yourself ISK but also for the freedom. i'll agree that is true right now, but let's say in the near future they balance match pay outs and you start gaining 600k-1mil isk from a win, in some new game mode. would that 10k from throw away mods really matter. I have an lav bpo, and that thing will be useful for a long time, but I could see eventually having so much isk that it really doesn't matter as well. Don't think we'll ever have 1mil ISK for a win. It would be terrible for newbros as vets would be full proto 24/7.
we get 2 mil isk from a pc win right now, usually you get an extra 400-600k in salvage as well
eve operates in 100's of billions of isk, dust operates in millions, unless this gap is changed an open market will always be impossible, and this is likely why we don't have it yet. |
Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
82
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Posted - 2013.09.30 16:11:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:calisk galern wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:calisk galern wrote:that is true, but amount of lose you're talking about for using the base item is like 100-700 isk....
you won't be losing much, and it's a guarnteed profit either way.
if a person spends millions of isk to buy one of these bpos they would need to die 1000's of times for it to make them a profit. I wouldn't touch the infantry BPOs for the reason you mention (militia is so cheap) and because of the high fitting costs compared to standard modules. However, vehicle module BPOs are a whole different story. They cost thousands of ISK, and most players don't have the skill for standard modules. I recently picked some up because I had some spare AUR and the BPOs are as good as the best ISK equivalents I can use. For (I think) 4,500 AUR my BPO LAV (from a pack) now has three shield damage reduction modules sat on it - has saved me a couple of times already. Now you might say 'why waste AUR when you could just buy the modules for ISK', but bear in mind this is my throwaway LAV fit. At the start of every match I drive it to the objective and forget about it. Three militia modules is still tens of thousands of ISK, and I wouldn't feel I had the freedom to abandon the vehicle if I'd paid for it. I'd have to go back and recall it, which loses me time and is a risk. So you're not only paying AUR to save yourself ISK but also for the freedom. i'll agree that is true right now, but let's say in the near future they balance match pay outs and you start gaining 600k-1mil isk from a win, in some new game mode. would that 10k from throw away mods really matter. I have an lav bpo, and that thing will be useful for a long time, but I could see eventually having so much isk that it really doesn't matter as well. Don't think we'll ever have 1mil ISK for a win. It would be terrible for newbros as vets would be full proto 24/7. we get 2 mil isk from a pc win right now, usually you get an extra 400-600k in salvage as well eve operates in 100's of billions of isk, dust operates in millions, unless this gap is changed an open market will always be impossible, and this is likely why we don't have it yet. I can't see a unified Dust-Eve market happening for years, but if it did happen I think they'd increase the prices on gear as well as the payouts. So my BPOs would be saving me a lot more ISK than they do now. |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1010
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Posted - 2013.09.30 16:35:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:we get 2 mil isk from a pc win right now, usually you get an extra 400-600k in salvage as well
eve operates in 100's of billions of isk, dust operates in millions, unless this gap is changed an open market will always be impossible, and this is likely why we don't have it yet.
In terms of money GENERATED Dust 514 is equal to Eve. Because most Eve players don't generate money. They get from other players what already exists. |
RECON BY FIRE
Internal Rebellion
249
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Posted - 2013.09.30 16:35:00 -
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Im willing to bet this has nothing at all to do with merging the markets and more so to do with AUR sales being much lower than they have ever been so they are hoping people will rush to buy BPOs before they go away. |
Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
1730
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Posted - 2013.09.30 16:40:00 -
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Even without the isk transfer from Eve to Dust, there are players and even corps that could use their current savings to probably buy up the daily purchase of certain dropsuits or weapons. There could be some serious market manipulation on day 1. Its would be smart to diversify your core weapon/suit skills. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1020
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Posted - 2013.09.30 16:50:00 -
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Dust Junky 4Life wrote:U will NEVER be able to trade sell BPO's!! Suckers.
Actually we will be able to because that sort of player to market interaction actually makes CCP more money then the system they currently have. If you want proof you can just look at the PLEX market on EVE online. More people don't want to spend money on subscription so they buy PLEX's in game for millions of isk (over 500M per 30 day Plex) The more people buying PLEX, the more the price for them goes up. As the price of the PLEX goes up more people are willing to buy PLEX and then sell them on the market (to make a quick buck). This sort of system can be done in Dust via the purchasing of AUR and selling of AUR. As more people are buying AUR out of the market circulation, the value of AUR will go up and this will encourage more people to buy AUR and sell it for Isk. |
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KingBlade82
The Phoenix Federation
204
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Posted - 2013.09.30 16:52:00 -
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**** guess im gonna need to buy some before they leave -_- I don't like the choice
so the mag dropsuits will be gone, all militia BPO's :( so much cool stuff |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1010
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Posted - 2013.09.30 17:20:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Dust Junky 4Life wrote:U will NEVER be able to trade sell BPO's!! Suckers.
Actually we will be able to because that sort of player to market interaction actually makes CCP more money then the system they currently have. If you want proof you can just look at the PLEX market on EVE online. More people don't want to spend money on subscription so they buy PLEX's in game for millions of isk (over 500M per 30 day Plex) The more people buying PLEX, the more the price for them goes up. As the price of the PLEX goes up more people are willing to buy PLEX and then sell them on the market (to make a quick buck). This sort of system can be done in Dust via the purchasing of AUR and selling of AUR. As more people are buying AUR out of the market circulation, the value of AUR will go up and this will encourage more people to buy AUR and sell it for Isk.
I kinda doubt this would work with equipment BPOs. But if they make Boosters tradeable sign me up. |
Vell0cet
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
355
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Posted - 2013.09.30 17:35:00 -
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I'm just pissed we never got the opportunity to buy BPOs for every racial suit and weapon. I would love to own a BPO for the Amarr assault and a LR. |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1010
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Posted - 2013.09.30 17:36:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:I'm just pissed we never got the opportunity to buy BPOs for every racial suit and weapon. I would love to own a BPO for the Amarr assault and a LR.
You get a LR BPO by recruiting people. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2564
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Posted - 2013.09.30 17:40:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Vell0cet wrote:I'm just pissed we never got the opportunity to buy BPOs for every racial suit and weapon. I would love to own a BPO for the Amarr assault and a LR. You get a LR BPO by recruiting people.
Well, getting five recruits that all get 100k warpoints. I don't know of anyone offhand that's done that. Maybe some youtubers. |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
292
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Posted - 2013.09.30 17:41:00 -
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Looked over the market to see what id want before it's gone,but honestly most of the BPOs arent worth a damn when compared how cheap milita gear is. Aside from the dropsuit and SMG BPOs(which i really think ccp should reconsider about these since they sell and people actually WANT them) i dont see any reason to buy BPOs and it's removal may be for the best. |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1010
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Posted - 2013.09.30 17:42:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Vell0cet wrote:I'm just pissed we never got the opportunity to buy BPOs for every racial suit and weapon. I would love to own a BPO for the Amarr assault and a LR. You get a LR BPO by recruiting people. Well, getting five recruits that all get 100k warpoints. I don't know of anyone offhand that's done that. Maybe some youtubers.
Youtube is a good place to start. If I weren't so lazy I would probably make some new videos. But I'm lazy and I have 28 recruits with only one having more than 25k WP. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
1040
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Posted - 2013.09.30 17:48:00 -
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RECON BY FIRE wrote:Im willing to bet this has nothing at all to do with merging the markets and more so to do with AUR sales being much lower than they have ever been so they are hoping people will rush to buy BPOs before they go away.
my hypothesis is actually the opposite.
bpo's are likely generating close to nothing so they probably see it as wasted potential, seriously who would buy these things....
if they were really only worried about money they'd simply release advanced or proto bpo's and milk the cash till the game died, but they aren't they are re-purposing them, hopefully into something useful that will benefit the game.
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I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
970
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Posted - 2013.09.30 17:51:00 -
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The militia BPO's might not be worth it, but standard suits, weapons, and others are absolutely worth it.
I have a few toxins/dragonfly suits to sell, as well as a few exiles... |
Charles Kii
Commando Perkone Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.09.30 18:00:00 -
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calisk galern wrote: [GǪ], seriously who would buy these thingsGǪ. [GǪ]
I have a few different full BPO Scout fittings that I love using in public contracts (they aren't all I ever use though). To be fair, it doesn't take much to take me down in them, but it just changes the gameplay dynamic so I have to be ++ber sneaky and I have fun in the process. |
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