DUST Search - Shotguns and KB/M users

calvin b wrote:

Lightning xVx wrote:

calvin b wrote:

Stop, before you read this my rant toward shotgun users and KB/M users. I expect to be trolled and hated after this, but this is how I feel.

There is nothing wrong with the shotgun. I was using a militia shotgun and was doing very well with it. Second in the right hands this D*** thing is F***** deadly. I have been killed by a scout that can pull of some matrix S*** and then kill me in two shots with a shotgun. I had over 700HP and was dropped in two shots, tells me you want a weapon that can kill in one shot. Not going to happen, because everyone will be using shotguns. To me shotguns are fine the way they are at the moment. Hit detection is off for weapons that are not being assisted by hit assist. I use a sniper rifle and I been cheated out of a lot of kills due to poor hit detection and distance rendering. You are not invincible, stop trying to rush a player with an AR they are going to kill you, instead use stealth and sneak up on them and wipe the floor with them. I have seen and been on the receiving end of some really good scouts who do this. Also heavies put down the shotgun you look ridicules in my opinion Big smile

If you cant tell who is using KB/M I will tell you. They can go left to right in a hair turn while firing with such precision it makes you want to break your controller. So to those who use KB/M on a console game and complain about how it does not work properly this is not a PC or MAC its a D*** console. You already have an unfair advantage in my eyes, so please stop complaining because you cant go 50-0 in a match. I know what you are going to say, use a KB/M and HTFU right. Wrong its a D*** console I am going to use a controller. If it was a PC or MAC I would use a KB/M. In my opinion there should not be an option for KB/M in dust due to it being a console game. I am purist who believes in controller, joystick, and simulated gun are the only thing to be used on a console. The move or any other vibrator looking device should not be used ever.

I killed you for pulling that out in a pub, you lost that to me. And everytime I see you use it, your losing another.

rant over

Alright going to stop you there and hit you with some facts:

1.) When you pull out an AR in general you automatically for UNKNOWN reasons can kill people faster in both Long Range and CQC? (Wtf Really balance issues)

2.) You use Officer weapons in Pubs and I WILL hunt you and take that away from you.

3.) I DO NOT use KBM, only use DS3.

4.) Im faster then you.

5.) I have 20m SP on all my gear/weapons/skills.

Who are you and I highly doubt you can take my officer weapon. I use officer weapons all the time in pubs its a weapon I am going to use it. So far I have lost only 1 balac and a few Thales. 1 balac was lost due to me testing it out, wow is all I can say. I love my Thales and I will continue to use them because they are far superior to any sniper rife and the charge rifle takes way to long to use. Proto sniper rifles should be like the Thale in my opinion. You being faster, ya I give scouts that and they should be, but there ungodly leaping ability should not be. They can jump over a full grown clone and you still do not see a problem with this. If this was the Olympics the scouts would destroy everyone in track and field do to there ungodly speed and leaping ability. Scouts need a lot of love but I do feel no suit should be able to leap 10 feet in the air, land and sprint away before you can even turn in response.

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calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 640	Posted - 2013.09.29 14:05:00 - [1] - Quote Stop, before you read this my rant toward shotgun users and KB/M users. I expect to be trolled and hated after this, but this is how I feel. There is nothing wrong with the shotgun. I was using a militia shotgun and was doing very well with it. Second in the right hands this D* thing is F* deadly. I have been killed by a scout that can pull of some matrix S* and then kill me in two shots with a shotgun. I had over 700HP and was dropped in two shots, tells me you want a weapon that can kill in one shot. Not going to happen, because everyone will be using shotguns. To me shotguns are fine the way they are at the moment. Hit detection is off for weapons that are not being assisted by hit assist. I use a sniper rifle and I been cheated out of a lot of kills due to poor hit detection and distance rendering. You are not invincible, stop trying to rush a player with an AR they are going to kill you, instead use stealth and sneak up on them and wipe the floor with them. I have seen and been on the receiving end of some really good scouts who do this. Also heavies put down the shotgun you look ridicules in my opinion If you cant tell who is using KB/M I will tell you. They can go left to right in a hair turn while firing with such precision it makes you want to break your controller. So to those who use KB/M on a console game and complain about how it does not work properly this is not a PC or MAC its a D* console. You already have an unfair advantage in my eyes, so please stop complaining because you cant go 50-0 in a match. I know what you are going to say, use a KB/M and HTFU right. Wrong its a D* console I am going to use a controller. If it was a PC or MAC I would use a KB/M. In my opinion there should not be an option for KB/M in dust due to it being a console game. I am purist who believes in controller, joystick, and simulated gun are the only thing to be used on a console. The move or any other vibrator looking device should not be used ever. rant over
Beld Errmon Evocatius 895	Posted - 2013.09.29 14:20:00 - [2] - Quote Am I the only one that sees Colon Lube instead of Molon Labe?
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 211	Posted - 2013.09.29 14:27:00 - [3] - Quote calvin b wrote: Stop, before you read this my rant toward shotgun users and KB/M users. I expect to be trolled and hated after this, but this is how I feel. There is nothing wrong with the shotgun. I was using a militia shotgun and was doing very well with it. Second in the right hands this D* thing is F* deadly. I have been killed by a scout that can pull of some matrix S* and then kill me in two shots with a shotgun. I had over 700HP and was dropped in two shots, tells me you want a weapon that can kill in one shot. Not going to happen, because everyone will be using shotguns. To me shotguns are fine the way they are at the moment. Hit detection is off for weapons that are not being assisted by hit assist. I use a sniper rifle and I been cheated out of a lot of kills due to poor hit detection and distance rendering. You are not invincible, stop trying to rush a player with an AR they are going to kill you, instead use stealth and sneak up on them and wipe the floor with them. I have seen and been on the receiving end of some really good scouts who do this. Also heavies put down the shotgun you look ridicules in my opinion If you cant tell who is using KB/M I will tell you. They can go left to right in a hair turn while firing with such precision it makes you want to break your controller. So to those who use KB/M on a console game and complain about how it does not work properly this is not a PC or MAC its a D* console. You already have an unfair advantage in my eyes, so please stop complaining because you cant go 50-0 in a match. I know what you are going to say, use a KB/M and HTFU right. Wrong its a D* console I am going to use a controller. If it was a PC or MAC I would use a KB/M. In my opinion there should not be an option for KB/M in dust due to it being a console game. I am purist who believes in controller, joystick, and simulated gun are the only thing to be used on a console. The move or any other vibrator looking device should not be used ever. rant over Alright going to stop you there and hit you with some facts: 1.) When you pull out an AR in general you automatically for UNKNOWN reasons can kill people faster in both Long Range and CQC? (Wtf Really balance issues) 2.) You use Officer weapons in Pubs and I WILL hunt you and take that away from you. 3.) I DO NOT use KBM, only use DS3. 4.) Im faster then you. 5.) I have 20m SP on all my gear/weapons/skills.
Torneido Achura Suicidal Business Inc. 43	Posted - 2013.09.29 14:51:00 - [4] - Quote do this: step 4.- go to skills and buy skills.. step 10.- you already have +10% damage modules ready to be packed on ds's step 15.- ensemble a proto minm with 5 damage modules (+10%) + weapon of choice (nothin else) note after 15: nothing can stop you now, except yourself step 25.- go into FW against Caldari result= feel a bit like a demigod Oh excuses.. isn't related.. or is it?
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1513	Posted - 2013.09.29 14:56:00 - [5] - Quote I think you guys are starting to get confuse with the aim-assist ... i honestly think that by now no one is using the mouse anymore. You provably got kill by an Ex-mouse user, that is learning how to use the mouse simulator in the DS3 very quickly. It toke me about 2 hours to master the new aim-assist, and i always been a mouse user until now.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 420	Posted - 2013.09.29 15:37:00 - [6] - Quote I don't see how a console game dictates a controller be used. I can use a controller on a PC. Just because Mario Kart doesn't want to provide kb/m support doesn't mean it is wrong for any device to be used on a console if the game designers want to provide it. You can use a mouse too. Thumb jockies need to stop needlessly bitching about kb/m as if that is the problem. Are you seriously asking ppl to stop using something just so you can get kills the way you want?
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 640	Posted - 2013.09.29 15:37:00 - [7] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: calvin b wrote: Stop, before you read this my rant toward shotgun users and KB/M users. I expect to be trolled and hated after this, but this is how I feel. There is nothing wrong with the shotgun. I was using a militia shotgun and was doing very well with it. Second in the right hands this D* thing is F* deadly. I have been killed by a scout that can pull of some matrix S* and then kill me in two shots with a shotgun. I had over 700HP and was dropped in two shots, tells me you want a weapon that can kill in one shot. Not going to happen, because everyone will be using shotguns. To me shotguns are fine the way they are at the moment. Hit detection is off for weapons that are not being assisted by hit assist. I use a sniper rifle and I been cheated out of a lot of kills due to poor hit detection and distance rendering. You are not invincible, stop trying to rush a player with an AR they are going to kill you, instead use stealth and sneak up on them and wipe the floor with them. I have seen and been on the receiving end of some really good scouts who do this. Also heavies put down the shotgun you look ridicules in my opinion If you cant tell who is using KB/M I will tell you. They can go left to right in a hair turn while firing with such precision it makes you want to break your controller. So to those who use KB/M on a console game and complain about how it does not work properly this is not a PC or MAC its a D* console. You already have an unfair advantage in my eyes, so please stop complaining because you cant go 50-0 in a match. I know what you are going to say, use a KB/M and HTFU right. Wrong its a D* console I am going to use a controller. If it was a PC or MAC I would use a KB/M. In my opinion there should not be an option for KB/M in dust due to it being a console game. I am purist who believes in controller, joystick, and simulated gun are the only thing to be used on a console. The move or any other vibrator looking device should not be used ever. rant over Alright going to stop you there and hit you with some facts: 1.) When you pull out an AR in general you automatically for UNKNOWN reasons can kill people faster in both Long Range and CQC? (Wtf Really balance issues) 2.) You use Officer weapons in Pubs and I WILL hunt you and take that away from you. 3.) I DO NOT use KBM, only use DS3. 4.) Im faster then you. 5.) I have 20m SP on all my gear/weapons/skills. Who are you and I highly doubt you can take my officer weapon. I use officer weapons all the time in pubs its a weapon I am going to use it. So far I have lost only 1 balac and a few Thales. 1 balac was lost due to me testing it out, wow is all I can say. I love my Thales and I will continue to use them because they are far superior to any sniper rife and the charge rifle takes way to long to use. Proto sniper rifles should be like the Thale in my opinion. You being faster, ya I give scouts that and they should be, but there ungodly leaping ability should not be. They can jump over a full grown clone and you still do not see a problem with this. If this was the Olympics the scouts would destroy everyone in track and field do to there ungodly speed and leaping ability. Scouts need a lot of love but I do feel no suit should be able to leap 10 feet in the air, land and sprint away before you can even turn in response.
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 640	Posted - 2013.09.29 15:39:00 - [8] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Am I the only one that sees Colon Lube instead of Molon Labe? Whats the matter did we **** you or your team in the past. Stop freakin out, you are no longer in prison and bubba is not behind you
Seeth Mensch Damage Core corp. The Superpowers 32	Posted - 2013.09.29 15:39:00 - [9] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Am I the only one that sees Colon Lube instead of Molon Labe? yes.
Beld Errmon Evocatius 897	Posted - 2013.09.29 16:56:00 - [10] - Quote calvin b wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Am I the only one that sees Colon Lube instead of Molon Labe? Whats the matter did we **** you or your team in the past. Stop freakin out, you are no longer in prison and bubba is not behind you mmm, something tells me this name is gunna stick... might need some lube.

Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws 1070	Posted - 2013.09.29 17:05:00 - [11] - Quote Did he ask who lightning was? Am I posting in a nerf scouts thread?
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 546	Posted - 2013.09.29 17:28:00 - [12] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: I don't see how a console game dictates a controller be used. I can use a controller on a PC. Just because Mario Kart doesn't want to provide kb/m support doesn't mean it is wrong for any device to be used on a console if the game designers want to provide it. You can use a mouse too. Thumb jockies need to stop needlessly bitching about kb/m as if that is the problem. Are you seriously asking ppl to stop using something just so you can get kills the way you want? See some KBM in DUST videos on youtube. You can tell KBM does things DS3 can never do - you can turn much faster is one big advantage (and this is becuse CCP put a hard cap on rotation speed with DS3 but not with the mouse). That alone is a huge advantage in CQC. I always find myself not being able to turn fast enough to keep my target in crossharis when I run with SG in CQC and that's only because of my DS3 controller. KBM lets you do things DS3 does not. And mind you it's not because of the innate KBM superiority. It's because of how it was implemented in this given game. So it does offer an large and unfair advantage.
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 642	Posted - 2013.09.29 17:31:00 - [13] - Quote No scouts do not need nerfing. Its about shotgun users complaining they are not working. I use scouts in my post due to they are the ones that I see use shotguns the most that is all. I believe scouts need buff to there CPU/PG and at least a 10% buff to there HP. One thing that needs a tone down is there ability to leap over a clone but a heavy cant even jump a curb.
Duran Lex Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 317	Posted - 2013.09.29 17:43:00 - [14] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: I don't see how a console game dictates a controller be used. I can use a controller on a PC. Just because Mario Kart doesn't want to provide kb/m support doesn't mean it is wrong for any device to be used on a console if the game designers want to provide it. You can use a mouse too. Thumb jockies need to stop needlessly bitching about kb/m as if that is the problem. Are you seriously asking ppl to stop using something just so you can get kills the way you want? The reason no one cares about people who use a controller for PC FPS games is because no one minds a player gimping themselves by using a controller. So the issue is moot point. The issue on Dust is, it gives KB/M users an unfair advantage on a console game. There's a reason KB/M have had constant tweaking to its "DS3 emulator", instead of just removing all restrictions. If there was no advantage to be had, they wouldn't be attempting to emulate a controller to provide "balance". Wrong or right input for a game isn't the issue at all. There's a reason CCP is the only company that has attempted to use KB/M input on a console FPS, and has failed horribly at it. Edit - To the OP, there is a known server/client issue thats preventing the hits from shotguns to register sometimes, similar to the MD and Forge Gun problem a few months ago. It was going to be fixed in 1.5, along with nova knives, but it seems thats been pushed back to 1.6
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws 1073	Posted - 2013.09.29 17:45:00 - [15] - Quote Shotguns are unpredictable. Simple. There are many documented bugs w them. If scouts couldn't jump like they do they'd be dead faster than they are, they wouldn't be able to escape and engage as efficiently. The fact that I jump over something an assault has to run around has saved me countless times. The fact that a fatty can't step up curb is not a scout problem. I record almost all of my matches and when I play them back I really see how many shots I'm robbed of and how buggy the sg is. The sg is much better than it ever has been but it is still the least predictable weapon.
J0LLY R0G3R Unkn0wn Killers 126	Posted - 2013.09.29 18:19:00 - [16] - Quote Heavies should continue to use the shotgun. It's like dinner and a show.
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 215	Posted - 2013.09.29 18:33:00 - [17] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Am I the only one that sees Colon Lube instead of Molon Labe? Nope
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 213	Posted - 2013.09.29 18:42:00 - [18] - Quote calvin b wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: calvin b wrote: Stop, before you read this my rant toward shotgun users and KB/M users. I expect to be trolled and hated after this, but this is how I feel. There is nothing wrong with the shotgun. I was using a militia shotgun and was doing very well with it. Second in the right hands this D* thing is F* deadly. I have been killed by a scout that can pull of some matrix S* and then kill me in two shots with a shotgun. I had over 700HP and was dropped in two shots, tells me you want a weapon that can kill in one shot. Not going to happen, because everyone will be using shotguns. To me shotguns are fine the way they are at the moment. Hit detection is off for weapons that are not being assisted by hit assist. I use a sniper rifle and I been cheated out of a lot of kills due to poor hit detection and distance rendering. You are not invincible, stop trying to rush a player with an AR they are going to kill you, instead use stealth and sneak up on them and wipe the floor with them. I have seen and been on the receiving end of some really good scouts who do this. Also heavies put down the shotgun you look ridicules in my opinion If you cant tell who is using KB/M I will tell you. They can go left to right in a hair turn while firing with such precision it makes you want to break your controller. So to those who use KB/M on a console game and complain about how it does not work properly this is not a PC or MAC its a D* console. You already have an unfair advantage in my eyes, so please stop complaining because you cant go 50-0 in a match. I know what you are going to say, use a KB/M and HTFU right. Wrong its a D* console I am going to use a controller. If it was a PC or MAC I would use a KB/M. In my opinion there should not be an option for KB/M in dust due to it being a console game. I am purist who believes in controller, joystick, and simulated gun are the only thing to be used on a console. The move or any other vibrator looking device should not be used ever. I killed you for pulling that out in a pub, you lost that to me. And everytime I see you use it, your losing another. rant over Alright going to stop you there and hit you with some facts: 1.) When you pull out an AR in general you automatically for UNKNOWN reasons can kill people faster in both Long Range and CQC? (Wtf Really balance issues) 2.) You use Officer weapons in Pubs and I WILL hunt you and take that away from you. 3.) I DO NOT use KBM, only use DS3. 4.) Im faster then you. 5.) I have 20m SP on all my gear/weapons/skills. Who are you and I highly doubt you can take my officer weapon. I use officer weapons all the time in pubs its a weapon I am going to use it. So far I have lost only 1 balac and a few Thales. 1 balac was lost due to me testing it out, wow is all I can say. I love my Thales and I will continue to use them because they are far superior to any sniper rife and the charge rifle takes way to long to use. Proto sniper rifles should be like the Thale in my opinion. You being faster, ya I give scouts that and they should be, but there ungodly leaping ability should not be. They can jump over a full grown clone and you still do not see a problem with this. If this was the Olympics the scouts would destroy everyone in track and field do to there ungodly speed and leaping ability. Scouts need a lot of love but I do feel no suit should be able to leap 10 feet in the air, land and sprint away before you can even turn in response.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 213	Posted - 2013.09.29 18:46:00 - [19] - Quote I was the Scout who took it from you and everytime you pull another Balac out, I'm going to take it from you.
CuuCH Crusher Forge Gun Mafia 238	Posted - 2013.09.29 18:47:00 - [20] - Quote I'm almost certain that this if this guy was given a mouse and KB, he wouldn't be able to hit anything. It is a myth that just because you are using a mouse and KB you somehow become drastically better or more precise. It takes time and practice to learn how to use the mouse effectively.

calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 643	Posted - 2013.09.29 18:56:00 - [21] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: I was the Scout who took it from you and everytime you pull another Balac out, I'm going to take it from you. And NO SCOUT can jump over a clone from equal ground, you were near a hillside and I jumped over you from there. How many days ago was this? I am going to remember your name and I am going to start hunting you. I have been looking for someone to hunt and you have my attention. Sounds like fun to me, even if you weren't the one that got me that day. By the way cheers if you were, but that was the first time I have ever used the Balac and was testing it out, so next time I am going to be more aware of my surroundings and dont forget if that was you who did kill me it took three of you, you got lucky I didn't kill you first. So see you on the obituaries.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 641	Posted - 2013.09.29 19:16:00 - [22] - Quote calvin b wrote: Stop, before you read this my rant toward shotgun users and KB/M users. I expect to be trolled and hated after this, but this is how I feel. There is nothing wrong with the shotgun. I was using a militia shotgun and was doing very well with it. Second in the right hands this D* thing is F* deadly. I have been killed by a scout that can pull of some matrix S* and then kill me in two shots with a shotgun. I had over 700HP and was dropped in two shots, tells me you want a weapon that can kill in one shot. Not going to happen, because everyone will be using shotguns. To me shotguns are fine the way they are at the moment. Hit detection is off for weapons that are not being assisted by hit assist. I use a sniper rifle and I been cheated out of a lot of kills due to poor hit detection and distance rendering. You are not invincible, stop trying to rush a player with an AR they are going to kill you, instead use stealth and sneak up on them and wipe the floor with them. I have seen and been on the receiving end of some really good scouts who do this. Also heavies put down the shotgun you look ridicules in my opinion If you cant tell who is using KB/M I will tell you. They can go left to right in a hair turn while firing with such precision it makes you want to break your controller. So to those who use KB/M on a console game and complain about how it does not work properly this is not a PC or MAC its a D* console. You already have an unfair advantage in my eyes, so please stop complaining because you cant go 50-0 in a match. I know what you are going to say, use a KB/M and HTFU right. Wrong its a D* console I am going to use a controller. If it was a PC or MAC I would use a KB/M. In my opinion there should not be an option for KB/M in dust due to it being a console game. I am purist who believes in controller, joystick, and simulated gun are the only thing to be used on a console. The move or any other vibrator looking device should not be used ever. rant over You are correct, i can only go 49/3 ...i know ....i s*ck... /sad panda face If only KBM worked properly instead of giving me a Virtual DS3 overlay :/
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1340	Posted - 2013.09.29 19:59:00 - [23] - Quote calvin b wrote: There is nothing wrong with the shotgun. Shotguns are fine the way they are at the moment. Who are you [Lightning xVx]? I highly doubt you [Lightning xVx] can take my officer weapon. I use officer weapons all the time in pubs. Scouts ... ungodly speed and leaping ability. I suspect this one is full of jokes, Brothers. You're upset because you lost to a Shotgun in CQC? Please tell us you are joking, OP.
DildoMcnutz Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 215	Posted - 2013.09.29 20:09:00 - [24] - Quote All this hate for the mouse, to be honest its pretty mediocre, this is coming from someone who used mouse/controller and has now switched to just controller. Playing with a mouse in this game kinda ruins your muscle memory for mouse usage and feels a little uncomfortable, mouse really is no advantage.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 217	Posted - 2013.09.29 20:11:00 - [25] - Quote calvin b wrote: Lightning xVx wrote: I was the Scout who took it from you and everytime you pull another Balac out, I'm going to take it from you. And NO SCOUT can jump over a clone from equal ground, you were near a hillside and I jumped over you from there. How many days ago was this? I am going to remember your name and I am going to start hunting you. I have been looking for someone to hunt and you have my attention. Sounds like fun to me, even if you weren't the one that got me that day. By the way cheers if you were, but that was the first time I have ever used the Balac and was testing it out, so next time I am going to be more aware of my surroundings and dont forget if that was you who did kill me it took three of you, you got lucky I didn't kill you first. So see you on the obituaries. Man, you must have had horrible memory loss after that slam dunk (HS) from my Shotgun. And Im glad you don't remember my name, it'll cause you to relax and slip up, causing your loss in them. Oh and I can't wait to see you on the 'Nerf Scouts Thread'. P.S. For someone who "Can't remember"...you sure do remember how many people I had with me. And when I fought you, we were alone. I don't like people interfering with my duels.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 217	Posted - 2013.09.29 20:16:00 - [26] - Quote Thought I leave this for you Calvin haha ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtwmikpSPfI
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 281	Posted - 2013.09.29 20:33:00 - [27] - Quote Anyone who uses an officer weapon in a pub match is a scrub, I have at least 200 and have not used a single one, there's not been anything worth using it for yet, not even planetary lagquest.
OZAROW warravens League of Infamy 759	Posted - 2013.09.29 21:42:00 - [28] - Quote Somebody kill this guy
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1387	Posted - 2013.09.29 21:51:00 - [29] - Quote Minma Logi: Kinetic x2 Cardiac Regulator Enhanced/cx armor plate Cs Shield Ext x3 Cx light damage mods Proto Breach shotgun. I've tested this. It is a 1 HKO shotgun....
Daddrobit PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 357	Posted - 2013.09.29 22:04:00 - [30] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Minma Logi: Kinetic x2 Cardiac Regulator Enhanced/cx armor plate Cs Shield Ext x3 Cx light damage mods Proto Breach shotgun. I've tested this. It is a 1 HKO shotgun.... Dragonfly scout Militia shotgun militia profile damp militia armor rep complex shield extender active scanner You pay for an active scanner and a shield extender for less than 7k isk and can do inordinate amounts of damage with it. Had a match last night and went 26-2 using it. It's very difficult to not to be in the top 3 for kills, (usually top unless there's a duvolle user or two on my team) and impossible to go isk negative.



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