Yes! That's it! Make others run only what I can afford to run even thought they might have the SP and ISK for it. Brilliant!

TL/DR: Make it unprofitable to Proto Stomp.

Instead of just Academy and Public, split all contracts based on value.

Cap all public contracts on minimum and maximum skill levels (Public contractors wouldn't want to hire out clones in expensive suits if the contract is of low value) --- If you HAVE proto gear, that's fine, but you can't wear them in low-level contracts, because the corporate sponsors refuse to pay for it. High-value contracts come with much more lucrative payouts, but also come with stronger minimum requirements for participation.

This would accomplish multiple things:

1) It offers an incentive for new players to reach the next level of dropsuits (offer a 40-75% corporate reimbursement of base suit value - reimbursed as corporate insurance for those who die in combat.) New players in militia only have to deal with advanced gear --- This also prepares them t

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That is the way it should be done - allow players to choose the level they play at, using sec status as the basis.

I posted a somewhat similar suggestion back in January.

Lol at people complaining about protosuits. Take a good look at standard Gallente Logisuit and tell me that trash is worth using. Even Advanced isn't much better.

You counter proto stomping by not pissing down your leg when you see a fully stacked corp (that isn't EoN) on the opposing side. I've seen way too many situations where someone in my squad will see the upcoming battle participants, losing morale when they see a situation like this. Grow a damn pair and fight. If it's EoN... just hope they get awoxed one day...

Staying and fighting isn't a counter dude, it's merely choosing to stay and fight because you're gonna take your chances or you have an actual "counter" plan (which I'd love to hear). In most cases it's suicide.

I don't leave matches, ever. But I sure as hell wouldn't feel bad about doing it given a stack up of a bunch of proto weenies. I don't like heading to the hills with a sniper rifle, or trying to stay in range with a laser but as a scout mostly lone wolfing it's rare I get into a good squad after coming into a battle solo.

So again, do you have any actual advice or shall I assume your counter is just stay and toss yourself into the fray and hope for the best - all the while assuming that anyone who doesn't do the same doesn't have any balls?

I've actually heard someone say, "Oh crap! It's Dust University!" Think about that for a second...

I've actually heard someone say, "Oh crap! It's Dust University!" Think about that for a second...

Honestly that's hilarious

But perhaps they got caught in a "pub training" match with a bunch of our more advanced and proto wielding students

Let's all be honest here. Proto suits are no better than advanced suits currently. The advancements to hit detection have changed the game in regards to what it was a month ago, let alone anything longer than that.

Everyone needs to remember they also will have proto one day so any changes they are asking for will affect them in the future and for a longer time than being without it.

Also if you can afford it why use anything else?

[quote=JL3Eleven]Let's all be honest here. Proto suits are no better than advanced suits currently. The advancements to hit detection have changed the game in regards to what it was a month ago, let alone anything longer than that.

Everyone needs to remember they also will have proto one day so any changes they are asking for will affect them in the future and for a longer time than being without it.

Also if you can afford it why use anything else?

Lol JL, most of our students move on to other corps once they feel they have the skills to do so....so we will most likely not have a proto stomping corp

I agree 100000000% people have no clue to what the other merc is running gear wise. All they see is the suit and weapon and the tears start to flow.


As to the bolded part why talk ****? If you can afford to why gimp yourself?

Proto suits are not the problem, 6 man squads are the problem

Or better yet, two full premade squads on one side.... None on the other


I'm surprised I'm the only one noticing the massive number of times squads are getting stacked on one side

Why don't I use proto gear, you ask? I don't need it. I run through the field as equipped as someone from the Academy given a few days. The difference between the guys I'm rolling with and myself? I seriously cannot express this enough. Experience.

Short little story time. I used to be huge on UT back in the day, along with Quake.

To see people with proto gear trembling near corners causes me to think back to the people I met that sat there and tried to Flak Cannon people around corners. Cowards. Every single little **** I've ran across in public matches hides when using their proto gear. Every single one. I have been in Dust since Beta and the most rotten problem of this game is the players, not the damn game. It's sickening.

I do not say rush in blindly, but tucking your tail between your legs is not the answer either. I've seen so many people push forward while a single guy hides in the back trying to pick wounded people off that killed comrades that were so determined to push up.

Why don't I run proto gear? Standard is just fine. Just takes an extra bullet or two in order to pop an advanced or proto. Just takes them 2/3s a clip less to kill me. If there is no challenge, there's no fun for me.

Those that fell in the dirt face down while fighting the good fight, pushing the lines forward, are truly the better players. They have my thanks, even as I march with them.

Added note: Again, this is all not aimed directly to you (though this sentence itself is just a clarification I'd like to put in order to avoid confusion).

Tell the truth. You cannot afford it SP or ISK wise with only 1,358 total kills.

I can use proto Forge with proficiency 3, proto AR with proficiency 4 (had that ****** since Uprising started, still only ever use 'Dren' on my logibro getup), along with prototype repair tool and nanites, topped with a few cores at five. I have been here for a long time. I have ran shotgun scouts when Uprising started, I have ran nova kniving heavies throughout 1.3. And that's all only on this character. To this day, I still logibro. I have amassed officer and prototype gear.

Kiddo, I don't want to hear your ****. I have been playing as a friendly bluedot for a long, long time here. There's more to a FPS than killing, especially one that was intended to be squad strong.

Added note: I am stockpiling SP for that upcoming Minmitar heavy though. Something different than a slaver made suit.

I don't think you get it son. When people mention proto stomp they are referring to the suits not mods or weapons (unless duvall) (because again they don't know mods used..

P.S. I was here when your mother wiped your butt with leaves because charmin wasn't invented yet. son.

I don't know how long you've been here- I'm not even going to check your stats-, but proto-stomping involves prototype gear, not restricted to one item.

Also, you're mother is so fat, she sat on a Titan and it was lost forever.

Weaksauce no #.

I've been here soooo long I can tell you why your back is humpbacked and why it takes a couple minutes for things to marinate.

That actually causes me to ask a few questions, completely off-topic but still kind of on-topic. I wonder who was the first guy to die in Dust 514 outside of testing. What were his words? What was used? Ahhh, I'll never know.

Here's to Dust 514, who's history turns to dust.

I was talking in general but still

Splitting the playerbase by skill/SP=unbearable waiting times and even more underfilled, grossly unbalanced battles (10 versus 4, 6 versus 0, etc). Do you remember day one of 1.4? Basically, that. Try again.