Brilliant early warning system. Its not unbalanced, and provides enough information so the pilot isn't always guessing, but can make educated guesses. This system would go quite a long way in keeping pilots in the sky and isk in their pockets. Good video judge I fully support this +1. We have needed this for a long time....

Well your dropship still turns to dust when a forgegunner appears. 2 hits and you hit the ground and your armor HP are nowhere near to survive a direct hit after your shields dropped. Even with both armor reps going. Cause my assault forgegun does a whopping 1900HP damage. Seriously ditch your shield tank on that thing. Get rid off the shield extenders, replace 1 off the power diagnostic systems with a 15% PG upgrade and get a plate on. You have amazing armor repair capability but you put a penalty on yourself with the shield extenders. And another fact has beeing proven in that vid that dropships take only 55% damage from swarms regardless if its shield or armor. Why? Well the guy in the vid had a advanced swarm launcher (5 missiles) so he would do 2145HP damage against armor (basically killing you with alpha damage). However when you where into armor you had around 200 shields and 1700 armor. All 5 missiles did hit and you dropped down to 1072HP armor. So the swarm did effectively "only" a whopping 900HP damage against you. The main thing that kills dropships are forgeguns which deal exactly 100% damage. Which makes it the only true choice to take dropships down. That beeing sayd your dropship pilots had still the easy mode on versus swarm launchers.
Oh and for the people who didnt noticed. He was fighting 2 swarm launchers not just 1 and he still survived.

Counted the amount of volleys he took without exploding. A whopping 5 volleys from swarms and the 6th he sponged with the speed of the dropships. Tell me how many swarms would a tank take before blowing up these days? Probably around 5~6 and thats the max.

I thought rather than just pointing out issues, I would try to offer a solution. So from a dropship POV, although would be great for tanks too; here is a video where i added graphics to a real fight with a swarmer to show my suggestions to fix the radar and HUD to make it fairer. Not the total solution but part of it.

What do you think community and what you you think DEVs?

Remember to set it to 720p

The Video

Well your dropship still turns to dust when a forgegunner appears. 2 hits and you hit the ground and your armor HP are nowhere near to survive a direct hit after your shields dropped. Even with both armor reps going. Cause my assault forgegun does a whopping 1900HP damage. Seriously ditch your shield tank on that thing. Get rid off the shield extenders, replace 1 off the power diagnostic systems with a 15% PG upgrade and get a plate on. You have amazing armor repair capability but you put a penalty on yourself with the shield extenders. And another fact has beeing proven in that vid that dropships take only 55% damage from swarms regardless if its shield or armor. Why? Well the guy in the vid had a advanced swarm launcher (5 missiles) so he would do 2145HP damage against armor (basically killing you with alpha damage). However when you where into armor you had around 200 shields and 1700 armor. All 5 missiles did hit and you dropped down to 1072HP armor. So the swarm did effectively "only" a whopping 900HP damage against you. The main thing that kills dropships are forgeguns which deal exactly 100% damage. Which makes it the only true choice to take dropships down. That beeing sayd your dropship pilots had still the easy mode on versus swarm launchers.
Oh and for the people who didnt noticed. He was fighting 2 swarm launchers not just 1 and he still survived.

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Undo Judge Undo. Don't get this thread locked up or derailed. Please, I'm begging you undo.

You are right. it's 1 in the morning. fixed.

Counted the amount of volleys he took without exploding. A whopping 5 volleys from swarms and the 6th he sponged with the speed of the dropships. Tell me how many swarms would a tank take before blowing up these days? Probably around 5~6 and thats the max.

But that's not fair! You can't expect infantry to actually live with being seen on the map because they're locking on to you, could you? How could you suggest actually giving pilots a buff!?

In all seriousness, this is a wonderful idea. I support it fully. Would help too when I don't have a scanner and someone is behind me.

If these swarm missiles track vehicles by radar signature instead of heat signature, rather letting dropships shoot out radio frequencies

Thank you. I think it would also add a dimension of thought to swarming a vehicle. Sure you can lock on at 300m but you give your position away and allow the pilot to share your location with the squad. Plus it allows the tank/dropship more time to act/evade if you lock on too far away. Adds an element of risk and reward.

I like this idea but how would it work if you aren't facing the swarmer? Would there be a warning lock sound? Or would an icon pop up on the side of the screen?

I like this idea but think it should be a passive skill attached to the vehicle skill tree. Possibly increasing the range and time on radar per level.

And perhaps a similar skill for swarmers, or a module that reduces a vehicle's ability to detect them.

Well if you read the description on the swarm launcher it dose state that the missiles are designed to combat basic counter mesures vehicles at the moment have no counter mesures. This woukd be the first . So it would already be balanced should it be implemented.

Remember when all you needed was an afterburner to evade swarms?

Well presented clever concept, OP. +1

My sole critique is that a "Swarm Solution" implies the existence of a "Swarm Problem" ... correct me if I'm mistaken, but I believe Forge Gunners are more threatening to DS pilots (and everyone else) than Swarm Infantry.

Counted the amount of volleys he took without exploding. A whopping 5 volleys from swarms and the 6th he sponged with the speed of the dropships. Tell me how many swarms would a tank take before blowing up these days? Probably around 5~6 and thats the max.

I show you my idea on that in the video at 2:17 (link to that time code) Since i am not facing him and he is launching rockets he is marked in green on the radar.

But I think anyone shooting rockets should be marked like that even if they are not shooting at me. My ship would be designed to detect missiles but could not tell if they were aimed at me. That way it helps swarmers asif there are two fireing but only one is shooting me i don't know which one it is. This adds teamwork and some defence against being painted by my ship.

Yeah, this is a great idea, but I also think with your idea they should maybe add a swarms symbol on your radar, you you know where the hell they are at, I mean our jets today have warning alarms and radars that see missiles, so why dont they have it in the future with blasters and lazers and **** lol!

The swarm launcher(from a lore standpoint) uses passive locking so there is nothing to detect. A point of origin locater on screen would be fine but no active tracking of the infantry(once rendering is working correctly this shouldn't be an issue).

I would like to see an activated module that automatically fires ball bearings in the direction of the swarms once they get into a certain range(not guaranteed to destroy them but a decent chance - maybe 50%). 10 seconds on, 30 seconds off, only one can be equipped at a time. If you're close enough to the swarm infantry the ball bearings have a chance of dealing significant damage to him.

proto swarms max damage mods, 3 salvos at a time, sometimes other people were firign swarms to, his ship never died, but after the first few salvos hope of killing it pretty much died, I just resolved myself to not letting him easily kill my team..

... we could at minimum drop a lunch site marker on the radar.

all they need are lai dai grenades and swarms and the brains to hit from behind. pro swarms do about 2k dam. with comp dam mods and prof being a 65% bonus, 20% bonus to armour. thats about 3k. if you hit it from behind thats an automatic 100% addition. so 7840 from a single swarm from behind. packed lai dais do 2k plus 120%. thats 4.5k from a grenade.... 3 of those is 12k dam plus 3 swarms is 18k dam.

also tanks usually have 6700 armour and reps only rep 5k armour so even if you do it too slow you got 1 more grenade and 3 swarms.

conclusion: i do about 7840 dam with swarms to tanks and about 4500 with my lai dais if i hit em from behind.
just hit em when theyre modules are off and you can 1 shot most any tank out there.

As an AV guy, I really like this idea. I think it would also give incentive to use FG over swarms in certain battle situations. Do you think the audible alarms could be effective in letting pilots know that they are being targeted by FG? Since they aren't locking on, they might not get the visual on their HUD/radar, but (and this could be the lore) residual radiation from the FG is detectable when the barrel of the gun is aimed directly at a vehicle. Since the FG blast travels so fast (almost no time to avoid it), I think giving pilots a small heads up would be worth it.

I also really like the idea of incorporating a CIWS or special plating for FG defense into the vehicle framework, with the expectation that it would be balanced by making it take up certain slots or be expensive on PG/CPU. I can't imagine that many logi dropships will be effective healers if they are immediately shot out of the sky.

I like it, but I think it would have to be mod. Maybe if they add a equipment slot for vehicles it could fit there.

I thought rather than just pointing out issues, I would try to offer a solution. So from a dropship POV, although would be great for tanks too; here is a video where i added graphics to a real fight with a swarmer to show my suggestions to fix the radar and HUD to make it fairer. Not the total solution but part of it.

What do you think community and what you you think DEVs?

Remember to set it to 720p

The Video

Would a Black Hawk pilot get a green chuffing dot on the target shooting his helicopter irl ?? even after he has fired and run to relative safety ?

Just trying to keep it real

Would a Black Hawk pilot get a green chuffing dot on the target shooting his helicopter irl ?? even after he has fired and run to relative safety ?

Just trying to keep it real

Your videos are excellent btw. I just sent a little ISK in appreciation for your efforts.