Protip:
The radar rings are key to this.

to bad ARs are good everywhere and HMGs are good in that one spot on that map that nobody goes

assault suit can re position itself to get the advantage
Heavy suit rely's on the opponent coming to you and not instantly throwing grenades the moment they see you

to bad ARs are good everywhere and HMGs are good in that one spot on that map that nobody goes

assault suit can re position itself to get the advantage
Heavy suit rely's on the opponent coming to you and not instantly throwing grenades the moment they see you

Everytime I hear a complaint about a weapon, it makes me wonder. Are these people doing it right? After seeing all the complaints about the HMG being too weak, the AR being too OP, I actually starting to pay more attention to how others play in game. What I've noticed is:

The AR is a little too OP and the HMG is a little to UP. (but not as bad as ppl make it out to be)
If you buff the dmg to the HMG by 1pt, it would really make it shine more in CQC. It's already pretty good, but could use a SLIGHT tweak. The AR would then not do as well in CQC, and from my exp, the AR already is at a disadvantage against the LR and Tac AR in longer ranges.

1-5m = shotgun is king
5-25m= HMG dominates
25-50m= AR rules them all (although you can argue the low and high distance by +/- 5m)
50-70m= TacAR and ScR have advantage
70-100m= LR rules

There's a tool for every range.
(I could be off about the EXACT ranges for LR and TAR/ScR, I haven't used them since the last build)

The reason HMG/LR/etc users complains so much, is that they tend to engage AR users in their opponents sweet spot, not their own. I see PLENTY of Heavies try and have a fight with AR users from 40m away. They'll even run out into an open field and charge the AR user. (like somehow their 5m/s run speed is going to close the distance in any significant way before they get melted) I also see a number of LR users trying to fight at 40-50m range. That's not where the LR shines.
I have no problem melting face when I stay in sub-25m firefights. Generally, the only time I do poorly is when I do dumb crap like run out into the open at ppl just for the hell of it, or if I get swarmed by groups of 3 or 4.

My point, the HMG could use a little love, but it's not as bad as people make it out to be. The AR is a LITTLE OP, but the problem is more so that people don't use their own weapon properly.

The HMG optimal is laughable at best.

"Here, lets give them a weapon that forces them to dictate their engagements, and put it on the one suit that doesn't allow you to dictate your engagements"

::maniacal laughter ensues::

Classic.

(not to say it isn't good inside its optimal, it's just....you have to get lucky most times, or your opponent has to be brain dead)

Not true. The heavy with HMG shines most in the large sockets. Dictating the combat is about using your resources to their maximum advantage. A slow suit that can suppress a wide (but short range) area is built for cities and close in objectives. Hence - point defense.

The issue there though is that again, you're relying on your opponent to be bad, by assuming he's going to press further into your optimal instead of dancing outside of your effective range. It's all well and good to be "point defense" but it's kind of sad when that's literally all you can be good at, is waiting for enemies to come to you, to stumble into you.

My militia AR outperforms my Proto HMG in most cases for the simple fact that - I - am the one who decides when and where to engage, - I - am the one dictating the engagement.

The HMG is niche at best right now, and with the ease of hitting heavies now with AA, it's only compounded.

Besides, who approaches a heavy in mid to close range without cooking a grenade first?

Also, Heavies light up like christmas trees on scanners

The issue there though is that again, you're relying on your opponent to be bad, by assuming he's going to press further into your optimal instead of dancing outside of your effective range. It's all well and good to be "point defense" but it's kind of sad when that's literally all you can be good at, is waiting for enemies to come to you, to stumble into you.

My militia AR outperforms my Proto HMG in most cases for the simple fact that - I - am the one who decides when and where to engage, - I - am the one dictating the engagement.

The HMG is niche at best right now, and with the ease of hitting heavies now with AA, it's only compounded.

Besides, who approaches a heavy in mid to close range without cooking a grenade first?

Also, Heavies light up like christmas trees on scanners

It's a specialized class. If you are unhappy with that as a role, perhaps picking something else might be a good idea?

For example, once Commando is fixed, it should slot nicely between Sentinel and Assault suits.

Lmao, nice response.

Thankfully CCP has made an excellent system that allows you to experience how a given playstyle will turn out, allowing you to test it and make an informed decision for yourself without investing hard earned SP into something that can't be changed.

Oh boy am I glad.

No. The Commando isn't even a Heavy. Even if it's useful, it's still not a Heavy, it's a wannabe assault. I've always loved this argument too, that Heavies have to be point defense because "that's their role" yet every other suit can mix and match and do whatever they want.

As someone who has a full prototype HMG heavy that is often (but not always, because luck) outperformed by his full militia AR heavy, I can confidently say something is certainly amiss in thneedville.

So let's get this straight:

1. I said that Commando is broken and said once it is fixed it might be a good choice. You chose to ignore this like a petulent child.
2. You have played the game for a long time. I know for a fact that this is the case. When you got all of your SP back after the respec for Uprising, you had a chance to try out the changes with a standard HMG before upgrading to Proto. You had a chance to try it out, despite your sarcasm.

In summary, I respect you and always have, but you are acting a lot less mature now than you did in the past. What happened to the mature player I used to admire?

In my opinion, the reason the heavy is underpowered, or at least one of the reason's is because

dropships are underpowered

now I know what your thinking, how does the dropship effect a heavy?

Well in when it comes to squad warfare a heavy is more of a hinderance, they aren't capable of keeping up, which results in a squad being slow, or effectively a man down!

When dropships become viable heavies will be able to close the gap without waddling across open ground with a pea shooter! Dropships will help heavies immeasurably !!

The only thing lacking on a dropship is HP and WP's

As someone who flys part time I can go 800 - 1000 WPs a game flying people around without getting shot down

The only thing that kills me are red line rail tankers, wonky physics and the crappy module wheel.

What are their ranges?

Out of curiosity, what kind of ship do you fly?

Both the promethius and the incubus

I'm so upset with the lack of any useful scaling on the Logi ships, for the simple fact that I've barely dumped in a bit over 1 million SP in relevant skills and I already have almost the best fit I can make :/ At least Assault ships have mobility going for them, as well as a mean bite if you fit them for damage.

I don't really understand the purpose of Logistics dropships as is, their lack of mobility without any significant tank just makes them big yellow ducks :/

As both a former dedicated pilot and a current dedicated AV, I can safely say they crumple far too easily :/ Here's hoping this vehicle reworking is actually worth a damn for us pilots.