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knight of 6
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
293
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Posted - 2013.09.20 03:13:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:When did this hate relationship develop between troops and tanks? old beta guys remember OP tank dayz and have a legit hate of tanks. however most people come to the conclusion (incorrectly) that tanks are fine or OP because they go 22/0 "every match" and that is frustrating (and not the case). so tankers look like whiny SOBs and that only furthers their dislike of us.
but I understand that it's frustrating to see anyone go 22/0 regardless of fit and if I saw one class go 22/0 consistently I'd assume it was OP as well, so I forgive them. |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
1310
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Posted - 2013.09.20 03:14:00 -
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sixteensixty4 wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:If only more tankers refused to work with their blueberries, then we would have a lot less tanks in pubs.
Sounds kinda fun though, I may just slap on some free militia suit on an alt I don;t care about, go find the nearest tank, and refuse to leave so they can't recall and also shoot the guns wildly at no particular object. And your the reason why 9%% of tankers wont leave a extra turret on GG here i made you a special hat now go sit in the corner hahaha x) gf Leukoplast hates tanks so much, he despises them and is CONVINCED that they are OP |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1252
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Posted - 2013.09.20 03:16:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:One of my fondest moments in uprising is when I jumped into a shield tank as he was headed towards an objective, while we're going a swarmer pops up and hits the tank so I immediately jump out and run him down turned out he had an uplink nearby so I take that out too, along with the unlucky forge bastard that spawned there as I was mass driving it, ran back to the tanker that had decided to stay there and jumped up and down twice to tell him that it was clear but an assault guy with an AR had snuck up behind me and put rounds in my back I turn around with half sheilds fully expecting to die before I kick the bucket though the tanker puts four rounds out and melts the dude, I jump in the tank and we continue the match. After the match I get a mail that says: "Thanks for the help. Glad I could repay the favor." This is truly something that made me smile. that... is awsome. I wish stuff like this happened to everyone :/ Yup and all that without coms lol |
sixteensixty4
CAUSE 4 C0NCERN
105
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Posted - 2013.09.20 03:20:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:One of my fondest moments in uprising is when I jumped into a shield tank as he was headed towards an objective, while we're going a swarmer pops up and hits the tank so I immediately jump out and run him down turned out he had an uplink nearby so I take that out too, along with the unlucky forge bastard that spawned there as I was mass driving it, ran back to the tanker that had decided to stay there and jumped up and down twice to tell him that it was clear but an assault guy with an AR had snuck up behind me and put rounds in my back I turn around with half sheilds fully expecting to die before I kick the bucket though the tanker puts four rounds out and melts the dude, I jump in the tank and we continue the match. After the match I get a mail that says: "Thanks for the help. Glad I could repay the favor." This is truly something that made me smile.
I've had simaler awesome moments, but roles reversed, i been in my tank getting the shite kicked outa me, when random blue jumps out (lolScout at that) and fecks up the swarmer and nade dude that were too close for my missiles to hit
he risked his suit to help me, and even though i was pretty useless at this point, i waited and he jumped straight back in, lol good times, although we did die to ob shortly after
but its far and few between you get sound help, even when they in the turrets 90% of people just dont care or interested in ptfo |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1137
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Posted - 2013.09.20 03:24:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Michael Arck wrote:True Adamance wrote:Michael Arck wrote:When did this hate relationship develop between troops and tanks? When Infantry failed to realise one of their greatest assets on the field is a friendly Madrugar. Sure they curse enemy Maddies like the plague when they roll around, yet the fail to protect, defend, or ever support their allied tanks especially in urban areas. Now tanks never enter urban areas, they never care about allied infantry being butchered when they could help, they never care about objectives. WHY? Because as Infantry we (and I was one of you) let the ******* tanks down in almost every conceivable way. LOL True sometimes I think you're just crazy. Battles I've been in, mercs support their tanks. They will chase down swarm launchers and take out Forge gunners so I'm not sure what you're talking about. The truth is, the tank holds no respect for the infantry. I jump in a tank, he automatically thinks I'm just in it for WP assists. If I'm driving my LAV, the tank will just mow over me without any regard. And I didn't even see the tank. If I turn the corner and there's a tank moving in my direction, he will just continually drive forward while I'm stuck in some jerk animation as I try my best to get away from the tank. Which is really impossible until the tank decides to let me go. Someone has to stop the foolishness for productivity. Tank guys gotta stop looking at infantry as just morons who flail about on the field and thinking they're some kinda god on the field. You made some wrong accusations here. Tanks do not think your "just in it for WP assists". Tanks think your in it for the assist as a minor reward, if you were in it to be productive we would be glad to share our kills and WP with you, we would LOVE that. But we know infaintry are going to AFK and refuse to leave our tanks for us to recall. So we die. Yes we crush lavs in our way because we need to get out of the way of av! or your just in our way. Your right, we do not respect you guys, we absolutly hate you for getting our tanks blown up so directly. Im glad you and your squad target the AV, but most ppl do not, they do NOT go out of their way to kill the AV over there, they dont care about us and we cant deal with them over there. So they cause us to get blown up indirectly as well. So yeah. Forgive us for our lesser evil of destroying your lavs and dropsuits, cuz yal cost us tanks. Btw, we KNOW were not gods on the feild, not even close
Just so you know, you said that tankers don't think we are in it just for the WP assists but then go on to say that if we were productive in tank then you wouldn't have a problem with us. So to me, that's the same thing.
It sucks though, I understand your plight or at least the tankers. Both groups need a reconciliation. Sadly, the majority of the community would sever the ties due to the lack of understanding. It takes both sides to come to an agreement instead of one just to make this work
But I'm taking notes. I will be sure to remember some of yall gripes so when I'm on field I can recognize early on whats the deal. Or at least attempt to communicate with the tanker as we fight.
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Beck Weathers
High-Damage
113
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Posted - 2013.09.20 03:30:00 -
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You Know if tankers actualy helped the team rather than steam rolled around with only their own K/D ratio in mind, people might respect tankers more. I Fing hate tankers, they arnt team players, they dont care about winning, they dont want anyone in their tank because they "belive" pasengers are just after kill assist WPs, and even if they are it dosent take away from the drivers kills so why do you care.
So I hope AV stays OP forever and you tankers get driven into extinction you ungrateful twits! |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
316
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Posted - 2013.09.20 03:34:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:You Know if tankers actualy helped the team rather than steam rolled around with only their own K/D ratio in mind, people might respect tankers more. I Fing hate tankers, they arnt team players, they dont care about winning, they dont want anyone in their tank because they "belive" pasengers are just after kill assist WPs, and even if they are it dosent take away from the drivers kills so why do you care.
So I hope AV stays OP forever and you tankers get driven into extinction you ungrateful twits!
You're delusional, tanks help push points more then any infantry blob.
The reason we dont like blue berries in our tank is because they WONT LEAVE. We even pull in the red line and wait and they just sit there. |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
1314
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Posted - 2013.09.20 03:43:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:You Know if tankers actualy helped the team rather than steam rolled around with only their own K/D ratio in mind, people might respect tankers more. I Fing hate tankers, they arnt team players, they dont care about winning, they dont want anyone in their tank because they "belive" pasengers are just after kill assist WPs, and even if they are it dosent take away from the drivers kills so why do you care.
So I hope AV stays OP forever and you tankers get driven into extinction you ungrateful twits! You're delusional, tanks help push points more then any infantry blob. The reason we dont like blue berries in our tank is because they WONT LEAVE. We even pull in the red line and wait and they just sit there.
yeh, i specifically put down "we do not help you because you refuse to get out of our tanks, you kill us intentionally." and they read "im worryed about my KD and my passengers are there for the WP assist" Makes no sence. Worst community ever. Delusional is truly the right word |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
318
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Posted - 2013.09.20 03:45:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:You Know if tankers actualy helped the team rather than steam rolled around with only their own K/D ratio in mind, people might respect tankers more. I Fing hate tankers, they arnt team players, they dont care about winning, they dont want anyone in their tank because they "belive" pasengers are just after kill assist WPs, and even if they are it dosent take away from the drivers kills so why do you care.
So I hope AV stays OP forever and you tankers get driven into extinction you ungrateful twits! You're delusional, tanks help push points more then any infantry blob. The reason we dont like blue berries in our tank is because they WONT LEAVE. We even pull in the red line and wait and they just sit there. yeh, i specifically put down "we do not help you because you refuse to get out of our tanks, you kill us intentionally." and they read "im worryed about my KD and my passengers are there for the WP assist" Makes no sence. Worst community ever. Delusional is truly the right word
Have I mentioned i'll be running for CPM1 when elections start? Could really use the tanker community behind me. |
Beck Weathers
High-Damage
115
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Posted - 2013.09.20 03:50:00 -
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Sorry the continious baying of tankers has just blured into jibberish by this point.
Anyway I personaly think tanks should not be able to be recalled, so I dont really see a problem with blue berrys taking a siesta in your tank.
Im tired of almost killing a tank and the driver goign around a conner and recalling it in an instant. |
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Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
1320
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Posted - 2013.09.20 03:52:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:You Know if tankers actualy helped the team rather than steam rolled around with only their own K/D ratio in mind, people might respect tankers more. I Fing hate tankers, they arnt team players, they dont care about winning, they dont want anyone in their tank because they "belive" pasengers are just after kill assist WPs, and even if they are it dosent take away from the drivers kills so why do you care.
So I hope AV stays OP forever and you tankers get driven into extinction you ungrateful twits! You're delusional, tanks help push points more then any infantry blob. The reason we dont like blue berries in our tank is because they WONT LEAVE. We even pull in the red line and wait and they just sit there. yeh, i specifically put down "we do not help you because you refuse to get out of our tanks, you kill us intentionally." and they read "im worryed about my KD and my passengers are there for the WP assist" Makes no sence. Worst community ever. Delusional is truly the right word Have I mentioned i'll be running for CPM1 when elections start? Could really use the tanker community behind me. well your off to a good start :D |
XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
4599
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Posted - 2013.09.20 03:56:00 -
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I'm a tanker/Team guy |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
1320
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Posted - 2013.09.20 03:56:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:the tankers have a completely valid point that their being screwed,but its all jibberish by this point. I dont personally think tanks shouldent be able to be recalled because its not enough for me to solo them, they shouldent be able to escape me ethire. and personally i dont think its a problem for tankers to be killed by their own teammates
Im tired of almost killing a tank and the driver goign around a conner and recalling it in an instant. filled in the words you forgot to include there |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
1321
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Posted - 2013.09.20 04:01:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:I'm a tanker/Team guy lol. Earlier today in squad you were crying about the blue who wouldent get out your tank when you needed him to, you were useless in the battle untill he got out. Just like i used to cry before i just got used to getting screwed. And the rest of the tankers. Thats how they repay you |
Beck Weathers
High-Damage
115
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Posted - 2013.09.20 04:07:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:the tankers have a completely valid point that their being screwed,but its all jibberish by this point. I dont personally think tanks should be able to be recalled because its not enough for me to solo them, they shouldent be able to escape me ethire. and personally i dont think its a problem for tankers to be killed by their own teammates
Im tired of almost killing a tank and the driver goign around a conner and recalling it in an instant. filled in the words you forgot to include there
Lol close, but First, their own team mates, did not pull the trigger that killed them so blaming it on them is hardly fair. Second, i never said I soloed tanks, but speaking of which tanks seam to think they should be able to solo entire oposing teams.
All I can say to you tankers is dont deploy what you dont expect to lose.
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Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
103
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Posted - 2013.09.20 04:19:00 -
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This is gonna be a hell of a fence to mend Example, but it seems like there is some hope. |
SgtDoughnut
M.E.R.C. Elite
140
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Posted - 2013.09.20 04:24:00 -
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I love tanks when they actually help their infantry and work together with us, its the friendly tanks that just drive on looking for more kills that drive me insane. Repping up a friendly armor tank and hopping in and out of his guns to provide a small infantry screen for him as he drives around. Get to an objective and I hop out and start hacking it, I start getting shot at and hop out hoping the tank can back me up looking around hes halfway across the map trying to blow up a CRU. Seriously you need to stick with your inantry as much as we need to stick with you. |
Void Echo
Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium
1442
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Posted - 2013.09.20 05:33:00 -
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I cant count how many times random blues have jumped in one or both of my small turrets when the enemy objective is completely clear, no enemy CRU within 100 Meters, the objectives were completely clear, I even drove directly in front of the objectives to give the randoms a hint that they need to hack the objective. but no... all they did was stare at it and shoot expecting it to turn blue or something, again the objectives were completely clear of all enemy movement yet the randoms just sat in my tank and continued to AFK.
was that the teamwork you guys want tankers to let happen?
is that what you mean when you say "we actually do stuff, your not the ones helping the team"
I do help the team by killing the enemy vehicles that could run your stupid asses over or cause havoc at one of our own objectives, im also killing enemy infantry so you guys can go in and do the hacking for the objectives to be on our side.
all I see from you is "oh.. look a tank, I wana jump in and stay there while I go take a shower, I know he wont mind".
tanks are helping the team, but when we are on the front lines right next to you infantry, you don't do **** to help us, all you care about is your K/D, otherwise you would be hacking the objectives.
we don't care about K/D, we cannot buy our tank fittings back with K/D, all we care about is the ISK, ISK is what matters in this game and none of you infantry help us OR the ******* team by sitting in our small turrets randomly shooting at NOTHING and just staring at the clear enemy objective 5 Meters away from you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
220
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Posted - 2013.09.20 05:58:00 -
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I hate my infantry the same I hate red dots |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
773
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Posted - 2013.09.20 06:48:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:When did this hate relationship develop between troops and tanks? When it became clear that tanks were going to suffer consecutive nerfs because infantry can't solo tanks with MLT AV gear. |
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Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
773
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Posted - 2013.09.20 06:52:00 -
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echo47 wrote:This post sure helps your cause. It definitly makes me want to risk my clone to help you. You don't help us anyway, so the feeling's mutual. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
773
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Posted - 2013.09.20 06:53:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:If only more tankers refused to work with their blueberries, then we would have a lot less tanks in pubs.
Sounds kinda fun though, I may just slap on some free militia suit on an alt I don;t care about, go find the nearest tank, and refuse to leave so they can't recall and also shoot the guns wildly at no particular object. You play ambush, we play skirmish. =/=
See you never. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
773
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Posted - 2013.09.20 06:57:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:You Know if tankers actualy helped the team rather than steam rolled around with only their own K/D ratio in mind, people might respect tankers more. I Fing hate tankers, they arnt team players, they dont care about winning, they dont want anyone in their tank because they "belive" pasengers are just after kill assist WPs, and even if they are it dosent take away from the drivers kills so why do you care.
So I hope AV stays OP forever and you tankers get driven into extinction you ungrateful twits! I'll drop tanks for you to drive so you can see it from our point of view. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
773
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Posted - 2013.09.20 06:58:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Sorry the continious baying of tankers has just blured into jibberish by this point.
Anyway I personaly think tanks should not be able to be recalled, so I dont really see a problem with blue berrys taking a siesta in your tank.
Im tired of almost killing a tank and the driver goign around a conner and recalling it in an instant. So then supply depots shouldn't let you switch suits on the fly. You can only switch suits when you die.
Sound fair? |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
607
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Posted - 2013.09.20 07:17:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Michael Arck wrote:When did this hate relationship develop between troops and tanks? When Infantry failed to realise one of their greatest assets on the field is a friendly Madrugar. Sure they curse enemy Maddies like the plague when they roll around, yet the fail to protect, defend, or ever support their allied tanks especially in urban areas. Now tanks never enter urban areas, they never care about allied infantry being butchered when they could help, they never care about objectives. WHY? Because as Infantry we (and I was one of you) let the ******* tanks down in almost every conceivable way.
Oh i didnt know us infantry came as a bonus with the purchase of your expensive tank...., we are all Mercs i have no loyalty to give on the field other then myself...and i sure as hell will not jump inbetween a smoking tank and 6 enemy infantry to save someone i dont know, i will however use your smoking tank to my advantage and flank the sh*tz out of these guys.
You keeping your tank after i am done with those guys is just a bonus.
PS: if it was the otherway around and you see 6 guys going to my location with me not knowing, you would try to kill them all, me staying alive would be a bonus then, but not a requirement. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2147
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Posted - 2013.09.20 12:44:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:It bugs me to no end that if theres a friendly tank on the field they wont let me support it. I understand why they dont, but I wouldnt mind getting in your tank with my reppers and shotgun ready to kill swarmers or AV naders and rep the tank afterwards. Its primarily that I cannot talk to you to tell you to get out, nor can I tell you where the AV is so you can destroy it/ By the time a gunner wises up to it im most likely already dead. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2147
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Posted - 2013.09.20 12:47:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:True Adamance wrote:Michael Arck wrote:When did this hate relationship develop between troops and tanks? When Infantry failed to realise one of their greatest assets on the field is a friendly Madrugar. Sure they curse enemy Maddies like the plague when they roll around, yet the fail to protect, defend, or ever support their allied tanks especially in urban areas. Now tanks never enter urban areas, they never care about allied infantry being butchered when they could help, they never care about objectives. WHY? Because as Infantry we (and I was one of you) let the ******* tanks down in almost every conceivable way. Oh i didnt know us infantry came as a bonus with the purchase of your expensive tank...., we are all Mercs i have no loyalty to give on the field other then myself...and i sure as hell will not jump inbetween a smoking tank and 6 enemy infantry to save someone i dont know, i will however use your smoking tank to my advantage and flank the sh*tz out of these guys. You keeping your tank after i am done with those guys is just a bonus. PS: if it was the otherway around and you see 6 guys going to my location with me not knowing, you would try to kill them all, me staying alive would be a bonus then, but not a requirement. That's fine just know that with the friendly tank gone the enemy is far more likely to bring in their own. I'm sure you have had battles where the enemy team has called In tanks late game and steam rolled you.
Because by that time I don't care enough to call another tank in.
I have been where you were as an infantry man I know we have our own peculiar traits, but the team with the tank normally has a huge advantage over the other. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2148
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Posted - 2013.09.20 12:50:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:I love tanks when they actually help their infantry and work together with us, its the friendly tanks that just drive on looking for more kills that drive me insane. Repping up a friendly armor tank and hopping in and out of his guns to provide a small infantry screen for him as he drives around. Get to an objective and I hop out and start hacking it, I start getting shot at and hop out hoping the tank can back me up looking around hes halfway across the map trying to blow up a CRU. Seriously you need to stick with your inantry as much as we need to stick with you. Will you work with us as well? You may think you are doing it now..... you probably aren't. All we ask is that you target AV and other tanks when the pop up on the map if you don't currently have a target..... |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
997
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Posted - 2013.09.20 13:05:00 -
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As a general rule, I avoid letting infantry hop in my tank. Not because I am opposed to infantry in general, but because I just can't stand having ineffective ride alongs, when I could use those seats to help out my squad mates in a pinch when they are under fire.
I absolutely despise when there is a blue in my turret, so I drive around to the back flag, sit in front of the objective and shoot it once. Gunner doesn't get out. Not cool.
Most of the times that I get a good gunner by chance, I send them a thank you after the match if they actually helped out. Because it is that rare.
If blues would be more helpful, I would be more willing to risk my tank to help them get the win. Sadly, they seem far too willing to let me erupt in flames than work with me.
I will bring my comms to team chat all this week, in the hopes that those blues who wish to have a tankers help can ask for it,
Don't let me down blues. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
3499
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Posted - 2013.09.20 13:13:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:You Know if tankers actualy helped the team rather than steam rolled around with only their own K/D ratio in mind, people might respect tankers more. I Fing hate tankers, they arnt team players, they dont care about winning, they dont want anyone in their tank because they "belive" pasengers are just after kill assist WPs, and even if they are it dosent take away from the drivers kills so why do you care.
So I hope AV stays OP forever and you tankers get driven into extinction you ungrateful twits! You're damn right that vehicle operators main concern is their K/DR, a decent fit tank or dropship cost upwards of 500k per vehicle, our first and foremost concern is keeping our vehicle alive, everything else is secondary. And you say that tanks just steamroll round? In my experience both on the ground and in vehicles the infantry just end up in one huge messy firefight while the tank is the only thing actually hitting the objective. And in a game with such lethal AV movement is the key to survival, sit still and AV will be brought to bear on you, they will trap and them annihilate you. And here's another reason we vehicle users loathe bluedots in our vehicles, not only do they sit there being rather ineffective 90% of the time! they stop you recalling your vehicles and they steal them. Every single veteran vehicle user will have at least 1 story of where they jumped out of the vehicle/pilots seat and some enterprising blueberry jumped in and promptly suicided the vehicle through sheer incompetence, not giving a **** about the vehicle user they just cost half a million ISK. |
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