I am going to keep this as short as possible

upgrade the swam launchers to a heavy weapon it would reduce the amount of people running around the battle with a lock on weapon, and most would have to switch to the plasma cannon instead of investing in a entirely new suit this would help with the drop ships as well.

hope you all consider my solution thank you.

Right...because the plasma cannon is sooooo effective against tanks...right?

As a swarm launcher you're already penalised by being a lot less effective against infantry (at least a forge gun can still kill infantry!). Making AV even less accessible is nonsense.

Right...because the plasma cannon is sooooo effective against tanks...right?

As a swarm launcher you're already penalised by being a lot less effective against infantry (at least a forge gun can still kill infantry!). Making AV even less accessible is nonsense.

Right...because the plasma cannon is sooooo effective against tanks...right?

As a swarm launcher you're already penalised by being a lot less effective against infantry (at least a forge gun can still kill infantry!). Making AV even less accessible is nonsense.

absolutely just along with the update include new plasma cannons that can target armor instead of shields

I'll admit I was a bit surprised to find the Swarm Launcher was a light weapon when I first started playing. On the topic of making it a heavy weapon, i'm not sure how I feel about that. The ideal solution for any matchup issues should be (in my opinion) team work. I'm not a driver, but over the past week or so it seems to me that Infantry VS Tank battles can go either way, depending on teamwork and tactics. As much sense as it makes to me to have the Swarm be heavy, making this switch is going to light up the forums with QQing and respect demands (god knows there is enough of that already).

I still say the best way to protect a tank is LLAV+ 1-3 ground troops. All bases are (for the most part) covered with this method, and even better the tank needs to worry much less about retreating, letting it focus on attack and making it pretty powerful (and letting the ground troops feel nice and safe).

Definitely an interesting proposition though, can't really say I feel too strongly about it either way.

If I were to be the one that had to choose what class a weapon was to fall into I would have said that a swarm launcher would be a heavy weapon.

Amarr have lasers and that heavy weapon is coming.

Gallente have short range blaster (rail) tech and that is coming I guess.

Minmatar have projectile and we have the HMG.

Caldari always have two types of weapons GÇö long range rail and missiles.


Hence, the forge gun is the rail tech although I think it should have a reduced ranged. Long range is a relative term per the weapon in question after all.

So the swarm launcher would be the missile tech heavy weapon.

Combine this with the choice of ammo like in EVE and it would be awesome!

Think about being able to load in missile types for either armor piercing or flux for shields.

Make it a devastating weapon for someone trained well in it. Combine that with the heavy suit that can't move fast but can jump out of the way of a turret blast and can survive a turret shot better though not able to be very mobile unless using a vehicle and you have a pretty good balance.

That being said I wish they'd make weapons more dependent on skill training to be good. i.e. the sniper rifle. I'd like to stop hearing QQ about easy militia snipers vs. dedicated sniper players who've trained up to be useful.

I am going to keep this as short as possible

upgrade the swam launchers to a heavy weapon it would reduce the amount of people running around the battle with a lock on weapon, and most would have to switch to the plasma cannon instead of investing in a entirely new suit this would help with the drop ships as well.

hope you all consider my solution thank you.

yes that's why 25% of dropships are shot down within the first 2 minutes of every game and 50% at the next 5, 20% lose control when hit with swarm laucher and the last 5% make it out alive because they have a prototype dropship

as for the tanks the point that the 10% that stay at the edge of the red line says enough the other 90% either get blown up immediately or get destroyed later in the match says it all

look this solution could be destroyed if we had some sort of countermeasure to the swarm launcher say like flares with HSM in bf3

yes that's why 25% of dropships are shot down within the first 2 minutes of every game and 50% at the next 5, 20% lose control when hit with swarm laucher and the last 5% make it out alive because they have a prototype dropship

as for the tanks the point that the 10% that stay at the edge of the red line says enough the other 90% either get blown up immediately or get destroyed later in the match says it all

look this solution could be destroyed if we had some sort of countermeasure to the swarm launcher say like flares with HSM in bf3

I am going to keep this as short as possible

upgrade the swam launchers to a heavy weapon it would reduce the amount of people running around the battle with a lock on weapon, and most would have to switch to the plasma cannon instead of investing in a entirely new suit this would help with the drop ships as well.

hope you all consider my solution thank you.

If I were to be the one that had to choose what class a weapon was to fall into I would have said that a swarm launcher would be a heavy weapon.

Amarr have lasers and that heavy weapon is coming.

Gallente have short range blaster (rail) tech and that is coming I guess.

Minmatar have projectile and we have the HMG.

Caldari always have two types of weapons GÇö long range rail and missiles.


Hence, the forge gun is the rail tech although I think it should have a reduced ranged. Long range is a relative term per the weapon in question after all.

So the swarm launcher would be the missile tech heavy weapon.

Combine this with the choice of ammo like in EVE and it would be awesome!

Think about being able to load in missile types for either armor piercing or flux for shields.

Make it a devastating weapon for someone trained well in it. Combine that with the heavy suit that can't move fast but can jump out of the way of a turret blast and can survive a turret shot better though not able to be very mobile unless using a vehicle and you have a pretty good balance.

That being said I wish they'd make weapons more dependent on skill training to be good. i.e. the sniper rifle. I'd like to stop hearing QQ about easy militia snipers vs. dedicated sniper players who've trained up to be useful.

Reference for stats please.

Just wait for 1.5
Swarms need a little tweak down in power, the lock is what make the swarms strong

I'm sorry, but a tank is usually 400,000 ISK

So a 60,000 ISK Swarm Launcher shouldn't be able to single handedly take down a tank.

Tanks are expensive, and are supposed to be a nightmare on the battlefield(if used properly). It's a team shooters, so people should team up on the tank.

4-5 guys trying to take out a tank sounds fair actually.

The problem of the plasma cannon isn't the damage type!! It's hit detection and an incredibly slow projectile which makes it totally ineffective against vehicles.

if in world war one it took a guy with a grenade to destroy a tank.... ( av grenades ) I do not believe that the they would have been developed them at all.

I'm sorry, but a tank is usually 400,000 ISK

So a 60,000 ISK Swarm Launcher shouldn't be able to single handedly take down a tank.

Tanks are expensive, and are supposed to be a nightmare on the battlefield(if used properly). It's a team shooters, so people should team up on the tank.

4-5 guys trying to take out a tank sounds fair actually.

1: I much as I would enjoy that, I would say no, because the medium & light frames need some kind of AV weapon.

Right...because the plasma cannon is sooooo effective against tanks...right?

As a swarm launcher you're already penalised by being a lot less effective against infantry (at least a forge gun can still kill infantry!). Making AV even less accessible is nonsense.

yes that's why 25% of dropships are shot down within the first 2 minutes of every game and 50% at the next 5, 20% lose control when hit with swarm laucher and the last 5% make it out alive because they have a prototype dropship

as for the tanks the point that the 10% that stay at the edge of the red line says enough the other 90% either get blown up immediately or get destroyed later in the match says it all

look this solution could be destroyed if we had some sort of countermeasure to the swarm launcher say like flares with HSM in bf3

Right...because the plasma cannon is sooooo effective against tanks...right?

As a swarm launcher you're already penalised by being a lot less effective against infantry (at least a forge gun can still kill infantry!). Making AV even less accessible is nonsense.

I'm sorry, but a tank is usually 400,000 ISK

So a 60,000 ISK Swarm Launcher shouldn't be able to single handedly take down a tank.

Tanks are expensive, and are supposed to be a nightmare on the battlefield(if used properly). It's a team shooters, so people should team up on the tank.

4-5 guys trying to take out a tank sounds fair actually.

Grenades being resupplied only at Supply depots would counteract the new double DPS of swarms.

I'm sorry, but a tank is usually 400,000 ISK

So a 60,000 ISK Swarm Launcher shouldn't be able to single handedly take down a tank.

Tanks are expensive, and are supposed to be a nightmare on the battlefield(if used properly). It's a team shooters, so people should team up on the tank.

4-5 guys trying to take out a tank sounds fair actually.

Tanks are expensive, and are supposed to be a nightmare on the battlefield(if used properly). It's a team shooters, so people should team up on the tank.

4-5 guys trying to take out a tank sounds fair actually.

I'm sorry, but a tank is usually 400,000 ISK

So a 60,000 ISK Swarm Launcher shouldn't be able to single handedly take down a tank.

Tanks are expensive, and are supposed to be a nightmare on the battlefield(if used properly). It's a team shooters, so people should team up on the tank.

4-5 guys trying to take out a tank sounds fair actually.

Why do tankers ALWAYS forget that you can't just run a swarm launcher and win like that. My good AV suit cost me 100k a suit (My best one is 160k) and you guys can kill me 5x faster then I can kill you.

I'm sorry, but a tank is usually 400,000 ISK

So a 60,000 ISK Swarm Launcher shouldn't be able to single handedly take down a tank.

Tanks are expensive, and are supposed to be a nightmare on the battlefield(if used properly). It's a team shooters, so people should team up on the tank.

4-5 guys trying to take out a tank sounds fair actually.

By this argument, it shouldn't be possible for someone to kill my protosuit with standard weaponry.

A team shooter does not mean that it should take 4-5 people to 'try' to take out your solo tank. If there were a squad of tankers spider-tanking, then certainly that would be much more reasonable. Whining that your solo machine isn't nigh on invincible is ridiculous - Price alone doesn't justify an entire squad to take out you alone.

If I bring flux grenades and a scrambler rifle (all standard gear) which costs peanuts, in order to kill a prototype shield tanker who has a 200k suit, should I be completely unable to kill him unless I bring at least three other people with me?