My friend bought the 50$ merc pack, and I bought the 100$ one. Each came with their own LAV BPO. 75% of the LAVs you see these days are "free" having a red or black V on the hood.

Not trying to be a smart ass, but,

Congratulations to the People who can afford to spend $50 - $100 on the packs. Where does that leave the rest of us?

So, where does that leave the rest of us? Not everyone can afford to drop that kind of cash at the moment.

What is stopping the reimplementing of Free MLT LAVs?

As a Heavy, I really need transportation to be viable in nearly every map. While many objectives have CQ areas, the areas themselves are separated by vast expanses of barren landscape. These desert wastes are a death sentence to any Heavy trying to cross on foot.

Having to spec into a vehicle is ridiculous for a Heavy. It would only incur an ISK loss for any Heavy.

To prevent the loss, we would have to recall the LAV. This is not viable because of the nature of the Heavies role. When a Heavy is needed to lay down fire, we don't have time to recall a vehicle. We just simply get as close as possible, get out and shoot. Trying to recall a vehicle while under fire is tantamount to suicide, so we must leave it where it sits. This results in one of 4 things, the LAV getting stolen by a "team member" which is most likely, the LAV getting destroyed by the enemy, the LAV self destructing as an unattended vehicle, or an enemy team member hacking the vehicle.

I'm confident that I can speak for all Heavies when I say we want our free LAVs returned!

It's easy, spec into vehicles. As a heavy, you yourself have to be versatile and there isn't always someone you can rely on and getting into a dingleberries LAV is pretty much a death sentence. Just save up the SP and spec into basic vehicles. I myself am going the dropship route but the choice is yours...

Hoverbikes are supposed to be the alternative transport.
In the meantime I would like to give you guy's a lift but you all either keep stealing the damn thing or won't get out of my DS

You obviously did not read my entire OP!

I guess i missed the edit. Anywho, eventually you'll have to start speccing into something regardless, so why not vehicles? You are taking a risk regardless of what you bring out, whether it's your gear or a vehicle. Trust me dude i feel you on needing the LAV, I've been a heavy since pre-codex but new eden is much better off without the free lav. It's risk/reward system and if you're not willing to take the risk then you aren't going to get the reward.

Rides are appreciated, but more often than not, I simply get left. My Corp mates will call in LAV's, but by the time I get to it, randoms have filled it up. I have had randoms jump in to fill the 1 empty spot in the squad, spawn call in a ride, and drive right past me with 2 empty seats. SMH!

Our guy's always try to stop, especially for the heavies. What annoys me though is the lack of respect for my vehicle some blueberries have - I earned it, i payed for it and set it up how I like with the mods I ground SP into. so why should I get to my destination only to have him sit there and not get out cus he wants to go somewhere else. He can't recall it so its lost no matter what happends, often to the enemy so handing them 40 more WP and closer to an orbital.
A DS in skirmish is the worse. Without communication the blues just wont leave and they can't tell me where they want to go. What if I saw a tank next to a particular objective? (which thanks to you not being able to look around in the passenger seat means its likely) I can't just say "sorry I cant" and the longer I hang around the bigger a target i become. I need to stay mobile. And I can't begin to say how happy I will be when I get the choice not to fit turrets.

Not trying to be a smart ass, but,

Congratulations to the People who can afford to spend $50 - $100 on the packs. Where does that leave the rest of us?

EDIT: Not everyone can afford to drop that kind of cash at the moment.

If you want LAV's go buy them, their not expensive

Here is how they will get expensive.

Call LAV after initial spawn, get to anywhere, jump out, blueberry steals LAV.

Hack objective/installation

Call LAV, go to firefight, jump out kill dudes, bluedot steals LAV.

Kill dudes, mop up, call LAV. Go to next firefight, jump out, kill dudes. Red pops LAV with AV nade.

And so on and so forth.

Do you see where this combined with a few deaths as a Heavy could have you running Red ISK wise in every match.

EDIT: also, it is obvious you did not read my entire OP either.

Still, it's less expensive for the game not to have free LAV's over having them, since blueberries cannot be trusted, give back free lav's and we'll e back to square one, hell I still see people giving murder taxi ago since I assume they forgotten how to play another way.

Yeah, to be fair they should reimburse the owners of free LAV's and remove them entirely.

Dust has no room for BPO vehicles. That's a pandoras box in the making

Here is how they will get expensive.

Call LAV after initial spawn, get to anywhere, jump out, blueberry steals LAV.

Hack objective/installation

Call LAV, go to firefight, jump out kill dudes, bluedot steals LAV.

Kill dudes, mop up, call LAV. Go to next firefight, jump out, kill dudes. Red pops LAV with AV nade.

And so on and so forth.

Do you see where this combined with a few deaths as a Heavy could have you running Red ISK wise in every match.

EDIT: also, it is obvious you did not read my entire OP either.

I agree with this. I own two Guristas Sagas but DUST in fact has no room for free vehicles.
idk what they were thinking.

If someone is that determined to murder taxi, trying to prevent it is an exercise in futility. That said, I always try to do my part. When I see a bluedot trying to hack a red LAV, I blast it with my FG/HMG or pop it with my AV nades. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

My friend bought the 50$ merc pack, and I bought the 100$ one. Each came with their own LAV BPO. 75% of the LAVs you see these days are "free" having a red or black V on the hood.

And this right there is the problem CCP needs to deal with.

If it was up to me Heavies should have to move in DS or the new armored transports when they arrive. At least implement an animation if they dont get in on the drivers side to stop that cheap tactic.

waitWHUT?

Why would you try to stop your own teammate from hacking an enemy LAV ???
This is counter productive. you should stop that.

Then remove BPO dropsuits, weapons, and modules as well. Fair is fair, after all.

~20,000 ISK will buy you a MLT Onikuma or Baloch.

As a Heavy, I use the **** out them.
Just try not to get too close to the firefight and recall it. I think I've been using the same one for almost 2 weeks.

I removed the OEM missile launcher and replaced it with a blaster, just in case.

How is it a "cheap tactic" for a heavy to transport himself to a contested objective/installation?

Did I say "drive around looking for lonewolfers to kill"? No I didn't. Did I say "go to firefight, jump out, stand next to LAV and shoot until almost dead, jump in LAV and drive off"? No I didn't!

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being able to transport myself from one objective to another.

Not trying to be a smart ass, but,

Congratulations to the People who can afford to spend $50 - $100 on the packs. Where does that leave the rest of us?

EDIT: Not everyone can afford to drop that kind of cash at the moment.

So, spend time recalling a vehicle, when I could be helping my squad capture/recapture/defend an objective/installation.

Makes perfect sense!

*Opens his Dust garage and looks at his one remaining Baloch Impact from when they were free*
"My precious..."

If that 4 seconds it takes to recall your vehicle is going to screw your team, the battle was already lost.

No emoticon necessary.

You dont even have to spec into vehicles to get a cheap one to use, just toss together a cheap militia fit one to drive you around. max cost like 10k isk, if you cant make more than 10k isk in a match you should probably just uninstall the game.

I said nothing about SP, but now that you mention it, Heavies are already enough of an SP sink without having to spec into vehicles simply to get to where we are needed.

I make plenty more than 10k isk in a match, so your smart ass comments are not really necessary or wanted in this thread.

The point is, 10k is is too much to lose because of lolblueberry "team members" or not having enough time to recall the thing.

Not trying to be a smart ass, but,

Congratulations to the People who can afford to spend $50 - $100 on the packs. Where does that leave the rest of us?

EDIT: Not everyone can afford to drop that kind of cash at the moment.

I don't think it is too much to spend ISK on a MLT LAV and recall it.

What is stopping the reimplementing of Free MLT LAVs?

As a Heavy, I really need transportation to be viable in nearly every map. While many objectives have CQ areas, the areas themselves are separated by vast expanses of barren landscape. These desert wastes are a death sentence to any Heavy trying to cross on foot.

Having to spec into a vehicle is ridiculous for a Heavy. It would only incur an ISK loss for any Heavy.

To prevent the loss, we would have to recall the LAV. This is not viable because of the nature of the Heavies role. When a Heavy is needed to lay down fire, we don't have time to recall a vehicle. We just simply get as close as possible, get out and shoot. Trying to recall a vehicle while under fire is tantamount to suicide, so we must leave it where it sits. This results in one of 4 things, the LAV getting stolen by a "team member" which is most likely, the LAV getting destroyed by the enemy, the LAV self destructing as an unattended vehicle, or an enemy team member hacking the vehicle.

I'm confident that I can speak for all Heavies when I say we want our free LAVs returned!

What is stopping the reimplementing of Free MLT LAVs?

As a Heavy, I really need transportation to be viable in nearly every map. While many objectives have CQ areas, the areas themselves are separated by vast expanses of barren landscape. These desert wastes are a death sentence to any Heavy trying to cross on foot.

Having to spec into a vehicle is ridiculous for a Heavy. It would only incur an ISK loss for any Heavy.

To prevent the loss, we would have to recall the LAV. This is not viable because of the nature of the Heavies role. When a Heavy is needed to lay down fire, we don't have time to recall a vehicle. We just simply get as close as possible, get out and shoot. Trying to recall a vehicle while under fire is tantamount to suicide, so we must leave it where it sits. This results in one of 4 things, the LAV getting stolen by a "team member" which is most likely, the LAV getting destroyed by the enemy, the LAV self destructing as an unattended vehicle, or an enemy team member hacking the vehicle.

I'm confident that I can speak for all Heavies when I say we want our free LAVs returned!

What is stopping the reimplementing of Free MLT LAVs?

As a Heavy, I really need transportation to be viable in nearly every map. While many objectives have CQ areas, the areas themselves are separated by vast expanses of barren landscape. These desert wastes are a death sentence to any Heavy trying to cross on foot.

Having to spec into a vehicle is ridiculous for a Heavy. It would only incur an ISK loss for any Heavy.

To prevent the loss, we would have to recall the LAV. This is not viable because of the nature of the Heavies role. When a Heavy is needed to lay down fire, we don't have time to recall a vehicle. We just simply get as close as possible, get out and shoot. Trying to recall a vehicle while under fire is tantamount to suicide, so we must leave it where it sits. This results in one of 4 things, the LAV getting stolen by a "team member" which is most likely, the LAV getting destroyed by the enemy, the LAV self destructing as an unattended vehicle, or an enemy team member hacking the vehicle.

I'm confident that I can speak for all Heavies when I say we want our free LAVs returned!

So... you want to be able to roll up on somebody, jump out with no delay time, and immediately be in a player's face with high health and an HMG at no extra risk of losing any fake in-game money?

Yeah, that's something CCP should get right on 'fixing'.

Also not trying to be a smart ass but, Money makes the world go round and the developers don't live on complements alone. Come cut my grass, I'll give you $50.

$50 dollars is not a large amount of money to spend on something you enjoy. Many people have spent much more and gotten much less. How much does dinner and a movie cost these days?

Not trying to be a smart ass, but,

Congratulations to the People who can afford to spend $50 - $100 on the packs. Where does that leave the rest of us?

EDIT: Not everyone can afford to drop that kind of cash at the moment.

Yeah, to be fair they should reimburse the owners of free LAV's and remove them entirely.

Dust has no room for BPO vehicles. That's a pandoras box in the making

You obviously didn't read the entire OP

Does anybody read the entire OP of a thread before posting?

I actually did. A way to remedy your problem is to get out outside the battle zone and recall before getting into the fight.

This is a team based game, so you shouldn't have to drive alone. It's uneconomical and more dangerous. Take the bus.

Specifically a dropship.

Get together with 4-5 of your friends and call in an air taxi. The dropship is specifically built to get you where you want to go quickly and in style. With the advent of patch 1.5 the dropship should easily survive the trip and allow you and your friends to drop on the objective and take it by overwhelming force rather than trickling in by the carload and getting cut down.

Imagine you and five of your heavy friends making an unannounced call at your favorite installation!

What is stopping the reimplementing of Free MLT LAVs?

As a Heavy, I really need transportation to be viable in nearly every map. While many objectives have CQ areas, the areas themselves are separated by vast expanses of barren landscape. These desert wastes are a death sentence to any Heavy trying to cross on foot.

Having to spec into a vehicle is ridiculous for a Heavy. It would only incur an ISK loss for any Heavy.

To prevent the loss, we would have to recall the LAV. This is not viable because of the nature of the Heavies role. When a Heavy is needed to lay down fire, we don't have time to recall a vehicle. We just simply get as close as possible, get out and shoot. Trying to recall a vehicle while under fire is tantamount to suicide, so we must leave it where it sits. This results in one of 4 things, the LAV getting stolen by a "team member" which is most likely, the LAV getting destroyed by the enemy, the LAV self destructing as an unattended vehicle, or an enemy team member hacking the vehicle.

I'm confident that I can speak for all Heavies when I say we want our free LAVs returned!

1 question whats stopping you investing a little sp into either sagas or methanas? Why should you get free lavs? I dont agree with blueprints for any vehicle as it negates the risk verses reward system that is intrinsic to this game.

So how far would you suggest?

What is the range of an AR again? 50 m optimal?

Soooo jump out about 120 m away from the battle, then try to run in without getting picked off?

What would be the point of calling in an LAV to begin with?

Holy shitfuck it's not rocket science! Just use the LAV to cross the open terrain.

Holy shitfuck that brings me back to the arguments in my OP detailing why this is not a viable solution!

I think you are making several large mistakes with the assumptions in your original post.

Just because you have an LAV, does not mean you have to recall it as soon as you step out. If the enemy really wants to waste their time shooting a MLT lav, that is a bonus, because they are not shooting at your fatsuit.

You also do not need to recall in order to hack a point. The LAV will generally survive long enough for you to get back to it as long as you don't park it out in the open.

If you can't afford 24k SP for the LAV, and 20k a match to buy one, then you are doing something wrong, and deserve to get shat on.

If you refuse to spec into an LAV because you used to have one, you are even more dense than the OP suggests.

Reading the points in your OP, you seem to want these things addressed:

1. Blues taking your LAV. Vehicle locks are coming, stop crying fatty.

2. LAV getting destroyed by the enemy. Either build a better LAV, or kill the enemy faster.

3. LAV self destruct. Don't be away from it for more than a minute.

4. Enemy hacking your LAV. Either kill him, or don't park so close to him.

Bottom line:

Your crappy tactics cost you to lose lots of crappy LAVs. Get better at protecting your investment and maybe then you would see the value in speccing into an LAV.

There should be no free vehicles in the game.

$50 and $100 pack to buy bpo lavs? I got my bpo lav for $10 off ebay (guristas saga). Got it when they did that ps3 Dust 514 bundle voucher thingy. Just checked ebay and there are still vouchers in the 5-10 dollar range.

Those can only be used on new characters though right?

Do you feel it necessary to condescendingly speak to people? You do make some good points, but I'm not a ******* idiot, so don't think you have a high horse to sit on and speak to me with that tone.

1)I know full well I wouldn't "have to" recall a vehicle immediately, but the chances of not losing it are better if I did, are they not?

2)Without vehicle locks, the probability of having an LAV stolen by a smurf is 100%

3)Vehicle locks would definitely settle most of my woes on the subject (bluedots damn them!). I may just spec into an LAV when this happens.

4)One red tossing a couple AV nades at my LAV will hardly prevent the enemy from shooting at me when I hop out of an LAV in order to defend an objective under attack from a full squad.

5)I don't have "crappy tactics". I currently don't use LAVs unless a corp mate calls in a BPO, which is not always an option. Directly as a result, I don't lose them.

If you feel there should be no blueprint LAV then you have no choice but to agree that there should be no BPO of anything whatsoever.

Yes, it is absolutely necessary to be condescending when someone is complaining about things that are not only silly, but bordering on ignorant.

I numbered your points to respond easier.

1. If you are dead, you will lose the LAV, so dying while trying to recall it is pretty silly. Much better to focus on the attack instead of trying to protect a 25k LAV when you are wearing a 200k ISK suit.

2. I park LAV's everywhere. It is only a Saga, but I will park it anywhere I need to get out and handle some business. I very rarely have my LAV's stolen, but that is probably because I either take a couple of squaddies with me, or am using the LAV to get somewhere away from everyone else.

3. Yep, vehicle locks are going to be so nice.

4) Taking a LAV and crashing into a full squad solo is the very definition of crappy tactics. If you want to go on a suicide run, don't complain when you get killed.

5) See 4 as an example of crappy tactics.

I have no problem with BPO modules at MLT grade. Anything higher should be purged. Vehicles, suits, weapons, all of it should get pulled, if only to let Dust actually serve as an ISK sink.

1. If I did get an LAV, and pull up to anywhere, I would have the foresight to not park and try to recall it where I could potentially be easily taken out. That said, Heavies are so easy to sneak up on it isn't funny, so this would not necessarily prevent it.

I also never said anything about using a Proto Suit. Only tryhard pubstompers do this in pubs. Your corp isn't one of these is it? *cough*

2. Why would you not try to avoid a potential unnecessary loss? To me that is simply stupid. For Shame!

3. Yep

4. Please, quote me where I said anything about being solo. I love how you just assume this. I never go solo in any match.

5. See 4 as an example.

If you have no problems with BPO modules at MLT Grade, what is wrong with MLT grade BPO LAVs?

You can't have your no risk rewards while preaching risk vs reward. Either absolutely no BPOs whatsoever, or allow BPOs of anything up to standard.

Get off your high horse. I don't think you can see the forest for all the trees from up there.

1. Since you never run solo, and seemingly need to save money for something, why not have someone watch your back when you recall your ride after everyone is dead?

Yes, I run proto all day everyday. But since I don't die too much, I can afford to throw LAVs around all day for fun. You should try it sometime, unless you are too busy saving for what exactly? Hell if you are running standard or advanced heavy suits, you should be able to afford to never walk anywhere, without concern. If you are strapped for ISK running advanced gear, you have much bigger concerns than the LAV situation.

2) What marks something as an unnecessary loss? If I keep my suit alive, worth it. If I get to where I am going to, worth it. If it serves as a distraction for the tank I am hunting, worth it.

I view the saga as a 20k taxi. As long as I get to my destination, I got my value out of it. I don't get upset about 20k ISK. That is like getting mad when you lose a standard suit, just seems silly.

4. Crashing a LAV of three into a full squad is no smarter, you just gave the enemy team at least 200 WP, if not more. 3 on 6 is a poor choice of engagement, 3 on 6 where you won't be able to fire for the first .3 of a second, might get pushed around a bit, and cannot be assured of what direction or position you will be in is even worse choice for how to kick stuff off. Unless you are trying to murder cab a couple to start off with, in which case your little cough cough about me rocking proto is out of place.

You talk about not running solo, then how about your squaddies do their jobs. It is plainly their fault that your LAV gets jacked, blapped or scrapped.

As to the BPO issue, I think there needs to be an ISK cost for every chassis on the field, and the same should apply for weaponry. BPO suits, guns, and vehicles should all be removed. The reason why I say modules can have MLT BPO's is that if you want to gimp out your suit or vehicle to save ISK, go right ahead, at least you paid for the basic components.