1 question whats stopping you investing a little sp into either sagas or methanas? Why should you get free lavs? I dont agree with blueprints for any vehicle as it negates the risk verses reward system that is intrinsic to this game.

So how far would you suggest?

What is the range of an AR again? 50 m optimal?

Soooo jump out about 120 m away from the battle, then try to run in without getting picked off?

What would be the point of calling in an LAV to begin with?

Holy shitfuck it's not rocket science! Just use the LAV to cross the open terrain.

Holy shitfuck that brings me back to the arguments in my OP detailing why this is not a viable solution!

I think you are making several large mistakes with the assumptions in your original post.

Just because you have an LAV, does not mean you have to recall it as soon as you step out. If the enemy really wants to waste their time shooting a MLT lav, that is a bonus, because they are not shooting at your fatsuit.

You also do not need to recall in order to hack a point. The LAV will generally survive long enough for you to get back to it as long as you don't park it out in the open.

If you can't afford 24k SP for the LAV, and 20k a match to buy one, then you are doing something wrong, and deserve to get shat on.

If you refuse to spec into an LAV because you used to have one, you are even more dense than the OP suggests.

Reading the points in your OP, you seem to want these things addressed:

1. Blues taking your LAV. Vehicle locks are coming, stop crying fatty.

2. LAV getting destroyed by the enemy. Either build a better LAV, or kill the enemy faster.

3. LAV self destruct. Don't be away from it for more than a minute.

4. Enemy hacking your LAV. Either kill him, or don't park so close to him.

Bottom line:

Your crappy tactics cost you to lose lots of crappy LAVs. Get better at protecting your investment and maybe then you would see the value in speccing into an LAV.

There should be no free vehicles in the game.

$50 and $100 pack to buy bpo lavs? I got my bpo lav for $10 off ebay (guristas saga). Got it when they did that ps3 Dust 514 bundle voucher thingy. Just checked ebay and there are still vouchers in the 5-10 dollar range.

Those can only be used on new characters though right?

Do you feel it necessary to condescendingly speak to people? You do make some good points, but I'm not a ******* idiot, so don't think you have a high horse to sit on and speak to me with that tone.

1)I know full well I wouldn't "have to" recall a vehicle immediately, but the chances of not losing it are better if I did, are they not?

2)Without vehicle locks, the probability of having an LAV stolen by a smurf is 100%

3)Vehicle locks would definitely settle most of my woes on the subject (bluedots damn them!). I may just spec into an LAV when this happens.

4)One red tossing a couple AV nades at my LAV will hardly prevent the enemy from shooting at me when I hop out of an LAV in order to defend an objective under attack from a full squad.

5)I don't have "crappy tactics". I currently don't use LAVs unless a corp mate calls in a BPO, which is not always an option. Directly as a result, I don't lose them.

If you feel there should be no blueprint LAV then you have no choice but to agree that there should be no BPO of anything whatsoever.

Yes, it is absolutely necessary to be condescending when someone is complaining about things that are not only silly, but bordering on ignorant.

I numbered your points to respond easier.

1. If you are dead, you will lose the LAV, so dying while trying to recall it is pretty silly. Much better to focus on the attack instead of trying to protect a 25k LAV when you are wearing a 200k ISK suit.

2. I park LAV's everywhere. It is only a Saga, but I will park it anywhere I need to get out and handle some business. I very rarely have my LAV's stolen, but that is probably because I either take a couple of squaddies with me, or am using the LAV to get somewhere away from everyone else.

3. Yep, vehicle locks are going to be so nice.

4) Taking a LAV and crashing into a full squad solo is the very definition of crappy tactics. If you want to go on a suicide run, don't complain when you get killed.

5) See 4 as an example of crappy tactics.

I have no problem with BPO modules at MLT grade. Anything higher should be purged. Vehicles, suits, weapons, all of it should get pulled, if only to let Dust actually serve as an ISK sink.

1. If I did get an LAV, and pull up to anywhere, I would have the foresight to not park and try to recall it where I could potentially be easily taken out. That said, Heavies are so easy to sneak up on it isn't funny, so this would not necessarily prevent it.

I also never said anything about using a Proto Suit. Only tryhard pubstompers do this in pubs. Your corp isn't one of these is it? *cough*

2. Why would you not try to avoid a potential unnecessary loss? To me that is simply stupid. For Shame!

3. Yep

4. Please, quote me where I said anything about being solo. I love how you just assume this. I never go solo in any match.

5. See 4 as an example.

If you have no problems with BPO modules at MLT Grade, what is wrong with MLT grade BPO LAVs?

You can't have your no risk rewards while preaching risk vs reward. Either absolutely no BPOs whatsoever, or allow BPOs of anything up to standard.

Get off your high horse. I don't think you can see the forest for all the trees from up there.

1. Since you never run solo, and seemingly need to save money for something, why not have someone watch your back when you recall your ride after everyone is dead?

Yes, I run proto all day everyday. But since I don't die too much, I can afford to throw LAVs around all day for fun. You should try it sometime, unless you are too busy saving for what exactly? Hell if you are running standard or advanced heavy suits, you should be able to afford to never walk anywhere, without concern. If you are strapped for ISK running advanced gear, you have much bigger concerns than the LAV situation.

2) What marks something as an unnecessary loss? If I keep my suit alive, worth it. If I get to where I am going to, worth it. If it serves as a distraction for the tank I am hunting, worth it.

I view the saga as a 20k taxi. As long as I get to my destination, I got my value out of it. I don't get upset about 20k ISK. That is like getting mad when you lose a standard suit, just seems silly.

4. Crashing a LAV of three into a full squad is no smarter, you just gave the enemy team at least 200 WP, if not more. 3 on 6 is a poor choice of engagement, 3 on 6 where you won't be able to fire for the first .3 of a second, might get pushed around a bit, and cannot be assured of what direction or position you will be in is even worse choice for how to kick stuff off. Unless you are trying to murder cab a couple to start off with, in which case your little cough cough about me rocking proto is out of place.

You talk about not running solo, then how about your squaddies do their jobs. It is plainly their fault that your LAV gets jacked, blapped or scrapped.

As to the BPO issue, I think there needs to be an ISK cost for every chassis on the field, and the same should apply for weaponry. BPO suits, guns, and vehicles should all be removed. The reason why I say modules can have MLT BPO's is that if you want to gimp out your suit or vehicle to save ISK, go right ahead, at least you paid for the basic components.