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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
772
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Posted - 2013.09.16 20:28:00 -
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What is stopping the reimplementing of Free MLT LAVs?
As a Heavy, I really need transportation to be viable in nearly every map. While many objectives have CQ areas, the areas themselves are separated by vast expanses of barren landscape. These desert wastes are a death sentence to any Heavy trying to cross on foot.
Having to spec into a vehicle is ridiculous for a Heavy. It would only incur an ISK loss for any Heavy.
To prevent the loss, we would have to recall the LAV. This is not viable because of the nature of the Heavies role. When a Heavy is needed to lay down fire, we don't have time to recall a vehicle. We just simply get as close as possible, get out and shoot. Trying to recall a vehicle while under fire is tantamount to suicide, so we must leave it where it sits. This results in one of 4 things, the LAV getting stolen by a "team member" which is most likely, the LAV getting destroyed by the enemy, the LAV self destructing as an unattended vehicle, or an enemy team member hacking the vehicle.
I'm confident that I can speak for all Heavies when I say we want our free LAVs returned! |
Luk Manag
of Terror TRE GAFFEL
80
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Posted - 2013.09.16 20:31:00 -
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My friend bought the 50$ merc pack, and I bought the 100$ one. Each came with their own LAV BPO. 75% of the LAVs you see these days are "free" having a red or black V on the hood. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
772
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Posted - 2013.09.16 20:33:00 -
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Luk Manag wrote:My friend bought the 50$ merc pack, and I bought the 100$ one. Each came with their own LAV BPO. 75% of the LAVs you see these days are "free" having a red or black V on the hood.
So, where does that leave the rest of us? Not everyone can afford to drop that kind of cash at the moment. |
Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
1706
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Posted - 2013.09.16 20:35:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Luk Manag wrote:My friend bought the 50$ merc pack, and I bought the 100$ one. Each came with their own LAV BPO. 75% of the LAVs you see these days are "free" having a red or black V on the hood. Not trying to be a smart ass, but, Congratulations to the People who can afford to spend $50 - $100 on the packs. Where does that leave the rest of us?
Yeah, to be fair they should reimburse the owners of free LAV's and remove them entirely.
Dust has no room for BPO vehicles. That's a pandoras box in the making |
ratamaq doc
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
66
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Posted - 2013.09.16 20:39:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Luk Manag wrote:My friend bought the 50$ merc pack, and I bought the 100$ one. Each came with their own LAV BPO. 75% of the LAVs you see these days are "free" having a red or black V on the hood. So, where does that leave the rest of us? Not everyone can afford to drop that kind of cash at the moment.
Also not trying to be a smart ass but, Money makes the world go round and the developers don't live on complements alone. Come cut my grass, I'll give you $50.
$50 dollars is not a large amount of money to spend on something you enjoy. Many people have spent much more and gotten much less. How much does dinner and a movie cost these days?
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Bartimaeus of Achura
Cassardis
23
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Posted - 2013.09.16 20:40:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:What is stopping the reimplementing of Free MLT LAVs?
As a Heavy, I really need transportation to be viable in nearly every map. While many objectives have CQ areas, the areas themselves are separated by vast expanses of barren landscape. These desert wastes are a death sentence to any Heavy trying to cross on foot.
Having to spec into a vehicle is ridiculous for a Heavy. It would only incur an ISK loss for any Heavy.
To prevent the loss, we would have to recall the LAV. This is not viable because of the nature of the Heavies role. When a Heavy is needed to lay down fire, we don't have time to recall a vehicle. We just simply get as close as possible, get out and shoot. Trying to recall a vehicle while under fire is tantamount to suicide, so we must leave it where it sits. This results in one of 4 things, the LAV getting stolen by a "team member" which is most likely, the LAV getting destroyed by the enemy, the LAV self destructing as an unattended vehicle, or an enemy team member hacking the vehicle.
I'm confident that I can speak for all Heavies when I say we want our free LAVs returned! understandable argument but the rebuttal would be as simple as " ccp was losing out on profit for the game " now people are buying the first tier of the aurum lav's so they don't have to skill into a new one.
sorry but its really that simple I use a prototype heavy dropsuit so I can feel your pain |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
495
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Posted - 2013.09.16 20:41:00 -
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We will get free bike sooner or later!! |
MassiveNine
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
211
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Posted - 2013.09.16 20:41:00 -
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It's easy, spec into vehicles. As a heavy, you yourself have to be versatile and there isn't always someone you can rely on and getting into a dingleberries LAV is pretty much a death sentence. Just save up the SP and spec into basic vehicles. I myself am going the dropship route but the choice is yours... |
broonfondle majikthies
Bannana Boat Corp
253
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Posted - 2013.09.16 20:43:00 -
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Hoverbikes are supposed to be the alternative transport. In the meantime I would like to give you guy's a lift but you all either keep stealing the damn thing or won't get out of my DS |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
772
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Posted - 2013.09.16 20:43:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:It's easy, spec into vehicles. As a heavy, you yourself have to be versatile and there isn't always someone you can rely on and getting into a dingleberries LAV is pretty much a death sentence. Just save up the SP and spec into basic vehicles. I myself am going the dropship route but the choice is yours...
You obviously did not read my entire OP!
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster
2098
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Posted - 2013.09.16 20:43:00 -
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This is a team based game, so you shouldn't have to drive alone. It's uneconomical and more dangerous. Take the bus.
Specifically a dropship.
Get together with 4-5 of your friends and call in an air taxi. The dropship is specifically built to get you where you want to go quickly and in style. With the advent of patch 1.5 the dropship should easily survive the trip and allow you and your friends to drop on the objective and take it by overwhelming force rather than trickling in by the carload and getting cut down.
Imagine you and five of your heavy friends making an unannounced call at your favorite installation! |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
772
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Posted - 2013.09.16 20:45:00 -
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broonfondle majikthies wrote:Hoverbikes are supposed to be the alternative transport. In the meantime I would like to give you guy's a lift but you all either keep stealing the damn thing or won't get out of my DS Rides are appreciated, but more often than not, I simply get left. My Corp mates will call in LAV's, but by the time I get to it, randoms have filled it up. I have had randoms jump in to fill the 1 empty spot in the squad, spawn call in a ride, and drive right past me with 2 empty seats. SMH! |
MassiveNine
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
211
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Posted - 2013.09.16 20:50:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:MassiveNine wrote:It's easy, spec into vehicles. As a heavy, you yourself have to be versatile and there isn't always someone you can rely on and getting into a dingleberries LAV is pretty much a death sentence. Just save up the SP and spec into basic vehicles. I myself am going the dropship route but the choice is yours... You obviously did not read my entire OP!
I guess i missed the edit. Anywho, eventually you'll have to start speccing into something regardless, so why not vehicles? You are taking a risk regardless of what you bring out, whether it's your gear or a vehicle. Trust me dude i feel you on needing the LAV, I've been a heavy since pre-codex but new eden is much better off without the free lav. It's risk/reward system and if you're not willing to take the risk then you aren't going to get the reward. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
772
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Posted - 2013.09.16 20:53:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:MassiveNine wrote:It's easy, spec into vehicles. As a heavy, you yourself have to be versatile and there isn't always someone you can rely on and getting into a dingleberries LAV is pretty much a death sentence. Just save up the SP and spec into basic vehicles. I myself am going the dropship route but the choice is yours... You obviously did not read my entire OP! I guess i missed the edit. Anywho, eventually you'll have to start speccing into something regardless, so why not vehicles? You are taking a risk regardless of what you bring out, whether it's your gear or a vehicle. Trust me dude i feel you on needing the LAV, I've been a heavy since pre-codex but new eden is much better off without the free lav. It's risk/reward system and if you're not willing to take the risk then you aren't going to get the reward. Then do just as the poster above suggested and remove vehicle BPOs.
Matter of fact, Remove all BPO modules, weapons, and suits while you're at it. The are completely risk free, and offer maximum reward for their usage! |
broonfondle majikthies
Bannana Boat Corp
253
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Posted - 2013.09.16 21:05:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:broonfondle majikthies wrote:Hoverbikes are supposed to be the alternative transport. In the meantime I would like to give you guy's a lift but you all either keep stealing the damn thing or won't get out of my DS Rides are appreciated, but more often than not, I simply get left. My Corp mates will call in LAV's, but by the time I get to it, randoms have filled it up. I have had randoms jump in to fill the 1 empty spot in the squad, spawn call in a ride, and drive right past me with 2 empty seats. SMH! Our guy's always try to stop, especially for the heavies. What annoys me though is the lack of respect for my vehicle some blueberries have - I earned it, i payed for it and set it up how I like with the mods I ground SP into. so why should I get to my destination only to have him sit there and not get out cus he wants to go somewhere else. He can't recall it so its lost no matter what happends, often to the enemy so handing them 40 more WP and closer to an orbital. A DS in skirmish is the worse. Without communication the blues just wont leave and they can't tell me where they want to go. What if I saw a tank next to a particular objective? (which thanks to you not being able to look around in the passenger seat means its likely) I can't just say "sorry I cant" and the longer I hang around the bigger a target i become. I need to stay mobile. And I can't begin to say how happy I will be when I get the choice not to fit turrets. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
774
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Posted - 2013.09.16 21:10:00 -
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broonfondle majikthies wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:broonfondle majikthies wrote:Hoverbikes are supposed to be the alternative transport. In the meantime I would like to give you guy's a lift but you all either keep stealing the damn thing or won't get out of my DS Rides are appreciated, but more often than not, I simply get left. My Corp mates will call in LAV's, but by the time I get to it, randoms have filled it up. I have had randoms jump in to fill the 1 empty spot in the squad, spawn call in a ride, and drive right past me with 2 empty seats. SMH! Our guy's always try to stop, especially for the heavies. What annoys me though is the lack of respect for my vehicle some blueberries have - I earned it, i payed for it and set it up how I like with the mods I ground SP into. so why should I get to my destination only to have him sit there and not get out cus he wants to go somewhere else. He can't recall it so its lost no matter what happends, often to the enemy so handing them 40 more WP and closer to an orbital. A DS in skirmish is the worse. Without communication the blues just wont leave and they can't tell me where they want to go. What if I saw a tank next to a particular objective? (which thanks to you not being able to look around in the passenger seat means its likely) I can't just say "sorry I cant" and the longer I hang around the bigger a target i become. I need to stay mobile. And I can't begin to say how happy I will be when I get the choice not to fit turrets. I can't say I blame you. This is one of the reasons stated above why it is not viable for Heavies to spec into vehicles. Blueberries suck. That you can almost always count on. If you see me on the field as a blue, don't count me in with their numbers. I may jump into your vehicle (after I wait to see if there is room), but I'm out as soon as I think I can make it relatively close to an objective. |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
685
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Posted - 2013.09.16 21:11:00 -
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If you want LAV's go buy them, their not expensive |
Ansiiis The Trustworthy
Robbing The Hood Public Disorder.
319
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Posted - 2013.09.16 21:14:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Luk Manag wrote:My friend bought the 50$ merc pack, and I bought the 100$ one. Each came with their own LAV BPO. 75% of the LAVs you see these days are "free" having a red or black V on the hood. Not trying to be a smart ass, but, Congratulations to the People who can afford to spend $50 - $100 on the packs. Where does that leave the rest of us? EDIT: Not everyone can afford to drop that kind of cash at the moment.
It's just not worth it - you can buy a new game for that price. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
774
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Posted - 2013.09.16 21:15:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:If you want LAV's go buy them, their not expensive Here is how they will get expensive.
Call LAV after initial spawn, get to anywhere, jump out, blueberry steals LAV.
Hack objective/installation
Call LAV, go to firefight, jump out kill dudes, bluedot steals LAV.
Kill dudes, mop up, call LAV. Go to next firefight, jump out, kill dudes. Red pops LAV with AV nade.
And so on and so forth.
Do you see where this combined with a few deaths as a Heavy could have you running Red ISK wise in every match.
EDIT: also, it is obvious you did not read my entire OP either. |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
685
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Posted - 2013.09.16 21:18:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Coleman Gray wrote:If you want LAV's go buy them, their not expensive Here is how they will get expensive. Call LAV after initial spawn, get to anywhere, jump out, blueberry steals LAV. Hack objective/installation Call LAV, go to firefight, jump out kill dudes, bluedot steals LAV. Kill dudes, mop up, call LAV. Go to next firefight, jump out, kill dudes. Red pops LAV with AV nade. And so on and so forth. Do you see where this combined with a few deaths as a Heavy could have you running Red ISK wise in every match. EDIT: also, it is obvious you did not read my entire OP either.
Still, it's less expensive for the game not to have free LAV's over having them, since blueberries cannot be trusted, give back free lav's and we'll e back to square one, hell I still see people giving murder taxi ago since I assume they forgotten how to play another way. |
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
323
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Posted - 2013.09.16 21:22:00 -
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Patience Grasshoppa.
Speeder bikes or skimmers or whatever they'll be called are coming.
Makes more sense for transportation only vehicle sans any real damage ability. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
775
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Posted - 2013.09.16 21:27:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:
Still, it's less expensive for the game not to have free LAV's over having them, since blueberries cannot be trusted, give back free lav's and we'll e back to square one, hell I still see people giving murder taxi ago since I assume they forgotten how to play another way.
If someone is that determined to murder taxi, trying to prevent it is an exercise in futility. That said, I always try to do my part. When I see a bluedot trying to hack a red LAV, I blast it with my FG/HMG or pop it with my AV nades. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
However, removing the free MLT LAVs did absolutely nothing to prevent Murder Taxiing in the first place. Anyone who tries to argue otherwise is fooling themselves. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1713
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Posted - 2013.09.16 21:31:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote: Yeah, to be fair they should reimburse the owners of free LAV's and remove them entirely.
Dust has no room for BPO vehicles. That's a pandoras box in the making I agree with this. I own two Guristas Sagas but DUST in fact has no room for free vehicles. idk what they were thinking.
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Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
363
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Posted - 2013.09.16 21:33:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Coleman Gray wrote:If you want LAV's go buy them, their not expensive Here is how they will get expensive. Call LAV after initial spawn, get to anywhere, jump out, blueberry steals LAV. Hack objective/installation C all LAV, go to firefight, jump out kill dudes, bluedot steals LAV. Kill dudes, mop up, call LAV. Go to next firefight, jump out, kill dudes. Red pops LAV with AV nade. And so on and so forth. Do you see where this combined with a few deaths as a Heavy could have you running Red ISK wise in every match. EDIT: also, it is obvious you did not read my entire OP either.
And this right there is the problem CCP needs to deal with.
If it was up to me Heavies should have to move in DS or the new armored transports when they arrive. At least implement an animation if they dont get in on the drivers side to stop that cheap tactic. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
775
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Posted - 2013.09.16 21:33:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote: Yeah, to be fair they should reimburse the owners of free LAV's and remove them entirely.
Dust has no room for BPO vehicles. That's a pandoras box in the making I agree with this. I own two Guristas Sagas but DUST in fact has no room for free vehicles. idk what they were thinking. Then remove BPO dropsuits, weapons, and modules as well. Fair is fair, after all. |
Quil Evrything
DUST University Ivy League
121
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Posted - 2013.09.16 21:34:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote: If someone is that determined to murder taxi, trying to prevent it is an exercise in futility. That said, I always try to do my part. When I see a bluedot trying to hack a red LAV, I blast it with my FG/HMG or pop it with my AV nades. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
waitWHUT?
Why would you try to stop your own teammate from hacking an enemy LAV ??? This is counter productive. you should stop that.
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KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1118
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Posted - 2013.09.16 21:35:00 -
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Luk Manag wrote:My friend bought the 50$ merc pack, and I bought the 100$ one. Each came with their own LAV BPO. 75% of the LAVs you see these days are "free" having a red or black V on the hood.
DUST514 is not Pay to win, but its PAy to LAV bro. I bought the 50$pack long ago and i have my LAV BPO :3 |
FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
546
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Posted - 2013.09.16 21:37:00 -
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Not trying to be a smartass, but militia LAVs are cheap.
-XOXO |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
775
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Posted - 2013.09.16 21:37:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Coleman Gray wrote:If you want LAV's go buy them, their not expensive Here is how they will get expensive. Call LAV after initial spawn, get to anywhere, jump out, blueberry steals LAV. Hack objective/installation C all LAV, go to firefight, jump out kill dudes, bluedot steals LAV. Kill dudes, mop up, call LAV. Go to next firefight, jump out, kill dudes. Red pops LAV with AV nade. And so on and so forth. Do you see where this combined with a few deaths as a Heavy could have you running Red ISK wise in every match. EDIT: also, it is obvious you did not read my entire OP either. And this right there is the problem CCP needs to deal with. If it was up to me Heavies should have to move in DS or the new armored transports when they arrive. At least implement an animation if they dont get in on the drivers side to stop that cheap tactic.
How is it a "cheap tactic" for a heavy to transport himself to a contested objective/installation?
Did I say "drive around looking for lonewolfers to kill"? No I didn't. Did I say "go to firefight, jump out, stand next to LAV and shoot until almost dead, jump in LAV and drive off"? No I didn't!
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being able to transport myself from one objective to another.
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
741
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Posted - 2013.09.16 21:37:00 -
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~20,000 ISK will buy you a MLT Onikuma or Baloch.
As a Heavy, I use the **** out them. Just try not to get too close to the firefight and recall it. I think I've been using the same one for almost 2 weeks.
I removed the OEM missile launcher and replaced it with a blaster, just in case. |
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