lol @ assault dropships getting 1 hit killed by forges

It takes 3 hits from a proto breach with stacked damage mods to kill mine and by that time im usually out of there and recalling it.

The assault dropship does need a buff though

I'm stepping in to say Flaylocks are perfect as are. I've killed plenty with them recently. Breach variant, actually. (It's bloody hilarious.)

Flux do as they say on the tin.

Lasers are pretty damn awesome; they can cut people down with ease. (Been on both sides of this the past few days.)

Scrambler Pistols are legendary for headshot kills. Forgot about that super multiplier for it, guy?

The Scrambler rifles are fine, especially the Assault one. I actually watch the kill feed. It pops up more than you think.

All variants of the Heavy dropsuit, including Commando, cannot be judged as overpowered or underpowered as of yet, due to the sheer fact only the Amarrians have heavy suits.

Added: I will not talk about vehicles. I've said quite a bit about them as time has passed.

Added added note: Every suit tier has minor differences between the one above it. People that think prototype suits are supposed to be all powerful are... hilarious. Dropsuit builds are built around modules, not suits. Suits hold the slots, but modules hold the power. Never forget.

Not really worth it actually. Especially when you consider that, sooner or later, all of our weapons, vehicles, equipment and so on will be produced and priced by Eve-players.

So you want everything other than AR's and Assault suits, and AV gear to be cheaper?

You cannot balance with ISK.

/thread.

In short. from STD - proto

• Weapons that are UP or extremely niche should have their ISK prices reduced to between 1/2 and 1/3 of what they are now.
• Vehicles and vehicles mods, and turrets should have their prices reduced to 1/3 their cost too.
• drop suits that are UP should have their prices reduced to between 1/2 and 1/3 of their current price

weapons that are UP are as follows:

• HMG
• flaylocks
• Shotguns
• Lazers
• flux grenades (who even uses these beyond std?)
• nova knives
• Scrambler pistols
• Ascr
• Scr

this list may be amended

Firstly, you can't balance with isk. Not effectively - it'll only affect poor players, whilst the rich laugh.

Secondly, your list is bad.

HMG may have bad dispersion, but it's certainly not underpowered enough to apparently merit half the price.

Flaylocks are meh. A direct damage increase is the only reasonable thought for this.

Shotguns merely need more range.

Lasers are not UP. Have you even tried them recently?

Flux grenades have their purpose - they can affect both infantry and vehicles as well as wrecking equipment, which is very important against uplink spam or explosive traps.

Nova knives aren't underpowered. Those problems are linked to the scout suit. If you get in close enough with nova knives, you can kill anything. A heavy can be two shotted by nova knives.

Scrambler pistols are not underpowered. They have significantly more DPS than the AR, a much QQed about weapon, without even including the massive headshot modifier. If you headshot with a scrambler pistol you can one or two shot nearly any suit.

The assault scrambler rifle is not underpowered. It's practically the same as the AR!

The scrambler rifle is not underpowered. I main this weapon and it's perfectly adequate.


And, once more, you can't balance with isk. Not effectively.

EDIT: Why is this in General Discussion?

why not?

• QQer's are always opposed to getting things buffed
• QQer's are opposed to getting anything nerfed

so, if you cannot balanced through buffs and nerfs. what else is their?

and dn't say anything about skill. If one weapon yeilds fewer results and requieres 3x the skill as a comparable weapon then it is UP.

The fact that the only things I DONT see on this list are:

Plasma Cannon (which truly is)
Forge Gun (well balanced despite the QQ whines)
SMG

and....

-drum roll-

The Assault Rifle.

Nerf AR thread in disguise.

Buffs and nerfs are how you find balance. Not through cost. You can never equalize the output to the skill required if you use cost.

ISK is irrelevant. There will always be those with more than enough to spam anything. If there were a tank that cost 10 million a pop but had the stats of the old Surya, I would run it in every match. Consider that if you made AR's more expensive, newer players would assume they were better and skill into them, thereby compounding your problem.

Leave ISK out of balance discussions.

why not?

• QQer's are always opposed to getting things buffed
• QQer's are opposed to getting anything nerfed

so, if you cannot balanced through buffs and nerfs. what else is their?

and dn't say anything about skill. If one weapon yeilds fewer results and requieres 3x the skill as a comparable weapon then it is UP.

And yet another nerf or buff thread......

Or, instead of balancing on price, actually balance it?

The rich midis we know as top corps can, and will still pop people with OP guns, regardless of price.

They have infinite ISK.

If you 1/3rd tank costs people pull out enforcers seeing as the cost 3x the standard. You don't want people pulling out enforcers. And my tanks would be 180-200k isk a pop. You don't want that.