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Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.14 18:26:00 -
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Please Note: This is for when all weaponry and dropsuits have been released and balanced.
Introduction Other than the 4 main races in New Eden, there are other factions (Pirate Factions) who have their own specialised hybridized variants of current technology. They are often hinted upon all around Dust 514, but youGÇÖve probably not realize that they were a GÇÿFactionGÇÖ. One to mention; Guristas Pirates - The skull with bunny ears that often pops up on the screen in your mercenary quarters. There are many more dotted around with named weaponry and vehicles but to some they wouldn't stand out as if they are a actually an organised faction; rather just a name given to a said item.
Proposal I would like to propose more Factional items and dropsuits to be introduced but heres the twist. Like in EVE; being able to use factional gear requires a hybrid of racial skills, to which they often pull traits and bonuses from that said race. For example: To use a GÇ£Guristas Assault RifleGÇ¥ would require the following skills:
Caladri Rail Rifle - Proficiency 3 Gallente Assault Rifle - Proficiency 3
Or
The Angel Cartel's gear requires a hybrid of Minmatar and Gallente. IGÇÖm currently at prototype Winmatar Logistics and fast approaching the status of GÇ£no skills to trainGÇ¥ but IGÇÖm really liking the Gallente logistics bonuses and considering cross training into that. This is where an Angel Cartel Logistics suit would be come into play and would require the following skills to gain access to a basic Angel Cartel's Logistics Dropsuit;
Gallente Logistics 3 Minmatar Logistics 3
Heres a link to show how the Angel Cartel's Dramiel utilizes cross training skill sets in a similar fashion.
Summary To some this might over complicate things but, this would change the pace, bring some balance to cross training into GÇÿFactionalGÇÖ gear and give those of us who are running out of skills to train, more variety and reason to cross train. If there was a "Guristas Logistic Dropsuit" for example; the people who have already had their Caldari Logistics suits nerfed would already be halfway there (needing to skill into Gallente Logistics) and wouldn't feel like they have wasted any time or skill points. This could even put an end to the idea of a re-specs for all those people affected by the nerf waggon, weather its about a weapons, dropsuits or vehicles!
I would love to hear your thoughts on the subject. And if you are one of the minority of players who are fast approaching the GÇ£no skills to trainGÇ¥, would this added feature make you happy to cross train? What Pirate Faction weapons, dropsuits or vehicles would you be inclined to cross train into?
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.09.14 18:57:00 -
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Something like this has been mentioned before and I think it is a great idea.
I would love to see an Angel's Cartel Heavy Dropsuit, HMG, and SMG. I would definitely rock those! |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
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Posted - 2013.09.14 19:00:00 -
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Mordus Legion Scouts....Yum |
Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.14 19:03:00 -
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Sansha's Nation spikey dropsuits, that have a bonus to melee damage :) |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.09.14 19:05:00 -
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This is a great idea and I totally agree that pirate gear would make all those mistakenly spent sp are going to a good use. It might actually eliminate the respec calls as you have suggested.
I would make one suggestion though I feel like pirate gear should require dropsuit operations 5 for dropsuits, weaponry 5 for weapons, dropsuit upgrades 5 for pirate equipment.
Not only would having a base skill requirement of five (before even talking about the multi-weapon or multi-faction skill requirements) enforce the idea that these are expensive suits and have a high skill threshold it would also add some utility to those currently useless skills. |
Yagihige
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
333
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Posted - 2013.09.14 19:21:00 -
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Cool idea. Don't see any reason for this to not be made. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.09.14 19:28:00 -
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I love it. The Dramiel is a very good example of one of the many faction items in the market that requires at least two racial skills to utilize. Basically having the best of both worlds all in one package.
But to be fair, these faction items should only be acquired in the same fashion as in Eve Online. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4155
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Posted - 2013.09.14 19:36:00 -
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In regards to the respec part, I can also agree that this idea will undermine the respec concept altogether in one very obvious way.
Say for example that you have trained up all the way for Gallente Scout Dropsuits and related weapons. You then see a nice faction item that gives you massive bonuses towards profile dampening and sprint speed. It's the dropsuit version of the Dramiel with slight changes.
Suddenly you want a respec to be able to try it, but lo and behold you need not only the Minmatar Scout suit skills but also the Gallente skills you already have invested in. So getting a respec becomes counter intuitive at that point. At the very least, you know that your Gallente skills have not gone to waste as you still need it for that faction suit you like. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
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Posted - 2013.09.14 19:44:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:In regards to the respec part, I can also agree that this idea will undermine the respec concept altogether in one very obvious way.
Say for example that you have trained up all the way for Gallente Scout Dropsuits and related weapons. You then see a nice faction item that gives you massive bonuses towards profile dampening and sprint speed. It's the dropsuit version of the Dramiel with slight changes.
Suddenly you want a respec to be able to try it, but lo and behold you need not only the Minmatar Scout suit skills but also the Gallente skills you already have invested in. So getting a respec becomes counter intuitive at that point. At the very least, you know that your Gallente skills have not gone to waste as you still need it for that faction suit you like. I think you would like Pirate Knives |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.09.14 19:50:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:In regards to the respec part, I can also agree that this idea will undermine the respec concept altogether in one very obvious way.
Say for example that you have trained up all the way for Gallente Scout Dropsuits and related weapons. You then see a nice faction item that gives you massive bonuses towards profile dampening and sprint speed. It's the dropsuit version of the Dramiel with slight changes.
Suddenly you want a respec to be able to try it, but lo and behold you need not only the Minmatar Scout suit skills but also the Gallente skills you already have invested in. So getting a respec becomes counter intuitive at that point. At the very least, you know that your Gallente skills have not gone to waste as you still need it for that faction suit you like. I think you would like Pirate Knives
Who wouldn't?
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Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.14 19:57:00 -
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Who wouldn't?
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Haha thats great! |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.09.14 20:00:00 -
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I'm going to assume that CCP is on board with this, but it's probably going to be late-2014 to mid-2015 before anything like it is implimented. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
243
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Posted - 2013.09.14 20:08:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:Sansha's Nation spikey dropsuits, that have a bonus to melee damage :)
More like laser damage. Those spikes are sensors. |
Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.14 20:15:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Lt Royal wrote:Sansha's Nation spikey dropsuits, that have a bonus to melee damage :) More like laser damage. Those spikes are sensors.
Yeh I was thinking about that one when I posted it, seeing as the Minmatar Scout already has the melee bonus. Laser damage and sensor range increased bonuses would work. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
245
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:34:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Lt Royal wrote:Sansha's Nation spikey dropsuits, that have a bonus to melee damage :) More like laser damage. Those spikes are sensors. Yeh I was thinking about that one when I posted it, seeing as the Minmatar Scout already has the melee bonus. Laser damage and sensor range increased bonuses would work.
They'd also make more sense towards EVE lore |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2013.09.14 22:00:00 -
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I'd love to see this, however, if it requires two level V dropsuit skills to acquire the prototype variant of these dropsuits, I doubt many are going to see the appeal even if it looks badass, sounds badass, makes you feel like Jack Sparrow in the future and has awesome stats.
One the other hand, if we remove the prototype tier... mmm. Tiercide and this idea may just go hand-in-hand.
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Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.14 22:11:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:makes you feel like Jack Sparrow in the future
+1 for that alone! |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.14 22:11:00 -
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Not to **** on your bonfire or anything, but I would imagine CCP is already planning this for the future. Your post serves as an excellent crash course for those unfamiliar with pirate gear though.
Incidentally: what is the name of the pirate faction for Amarr/Minmatar gear? If there is one. |
Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.14 22:15:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Not to **** on your bonfire or anything, but I would imagine CCP is already planning this for the future. Your post serves as an excellent crash course for those unfamiliar with pirate gear though.
Incidentally: what is the name of the pirate faction for Amarr/Minmatar gear? If there is one.
Blood Raider's, heres one of their ships from EVE. Although they already have Blood Raider gear in game, its colours and bonuses are borked! :( |
TEBOW BAGGINS
The Corporate Raiders
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Posted - 2013.09.14 22:17:00 -
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yeaaaa blood angels represent! |
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2013.09.14 22:28:00 -
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I like it, I want sisters survival suits. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.14 22:29:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Not to **** on your bonfire or anything, but I would imagine CCP is already planning this for the future. Your post serves as an excellent crash course for those unfamiliar with pirate gear though.
Incidentally: what is the name of the pirate faction for Amarr/Minmatar gear? If there is one. Blood Raider's, heres one of their ships from EVE. Although they already have Blood Raider gear in game, their colours, bonuses and models are borked! :(
Ugh, it's hideous.
I love it. |
Aleksander Black
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2013.09.14 22:39:00 -
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Blood Raiders dropsuits ftw. Bonus to... Lasers, armor and mobility? Deal. |
Thor McStrut
Reckoners
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Posted - 2013.09.14 22:42:00 -
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Obviously a great idea. But TBH, you shouldn't have even needed to post this. This should be an obvious next step once all main racial content is released. |
Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.14 22:46:00 -
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Thor McStrut wrote:Obviously a great idea. But TBH, you shouldn't have even needed to post this. This should be an obvious next step once all main racial content is released.
Well someone had had to wh0re all the Karma points from it; even if it is on their road map! |
Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.14 22:57:00 -
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I'd kind of like to see this added as an expansion of faction warfare. Make it so that eve and dust players can actually align with a pirate faction.
For example, the Angel Cartel and Serpentis are allied and together aligned against the Gallente / Minmatar. They could be added as a third faction to the Gallente / Caldari warzone. Not allied with the Caldari, but can pick away at undefended Gallente systems.
Most or all of the other pirate factions are the same way, two similar corps who have a specific empire faction as an enemy. |
Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.14 23:10:00 -
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Kristoff Atruin wrote:I'd kind of like to see this added as an expansion of faction warfare. Make it so that eve and dust players can actually align with a pirate faction. For example, the Angel Cartel and Serpentis are allied and together aligned against the Gallente / Minmatar. They could be added as a third faction to the Gallente / Caldari warzone. Not allied with the Caldari, but can pick away at undefended Gallente systems. Most or all of the other pirate factions are the same way, two similar corps who have a specific empire faction as an enemy.
Yeh that would be really nice, seeing how if it was to be released as a FW patch that finally bridges that connection we have all be waiting so long for. Also if there was a FW patch; I would like to see the implementation of a LP reward system which could be used to acquire these Pirate Faction gear IGÇÖve been speaking of, in turn this would give everyone a legitimate reason to run FW. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.09.14 23:31:00 -
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All hail Sansha's Nation! |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
445
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Posted - 2013.09.15 00:50:00 -
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This would be awesome, I can't wait for this.... |
Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.09.15 00:51:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:Kristoff Atruin wrote:I'd kind of like to see this added as an expansion of faction warfare. Make it so that eve and dust players can actually align with a pirate faction. For example, the Angel Cartel and Serpentis are allied and together aligned against the Gallente / Minmatar. They could be added as a third faction to the Gallente / Caldari warzone. Not allied with the Caldari, but can pick away at undefended Gallente systems. Most or all of the other pirate factions are the same way, two similar corps who have a specific empire faction as an enemy. Yeh that would be really nice, seeing how if it was to be released as a FW patch that finally bridges that connection we have all be waiting so long for. Also if there was a FW patch; I would like to see the implementation of a LP reward system which could be used to acquire these Pirate Faction gear IGÇÖve been speaking of, in turn this would give everyone a legitimate reason to run FW.
The LP system is coming. Look around the forums it's there somewhere (The Future of FW). |
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BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.09.15 06:56:00 -
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bump |
BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.09.15 07:01:00 -
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and again |
Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.09.15 08:29:00 -
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Being new to New Eden I was unfamiliar with pirate gear. Having now been informed, I like the idea of pirate gear in DUST 514. I like the point someone mentioned about needing level 5 in desired area (dropsuit command, weaponry, etc) and think level 5 plus proficiency 3 in 2 skiils would be a bit much, although it would make "pirates" less common and more of a niche. |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
671
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Posted - 2013.09.15 08:31:00 -
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I want pirate gear T.T |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
753
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Posted - 2013.09.15 08:32:00 -
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Flint Beastgood III wrote:Being new to New Eden I was unfamiliar with pirate gear. Having now been informed, I like the idea of pirate gear in DUST 514. I like the point someone mentioned about needing level 5 in desired area (dropsuit command, weaponry, etc) and think level 5 plus proficiency 3 in 2 skiils would be a bit much, although it would make "pirates" less common and more of a niche.
In EvE pirate ships are more of a niche and their gear is hideously expensive. Those skills that I said should be at level 5 are all x1 skills by the way so getting them skilled up to level 5 should not be an issue for anyone. |
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CCP Frame
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.15 08:40:00 -
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Moved to Feedback/Requests! :) CCP Frame |
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Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.15 14:37:00 -
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CCP Frame wrote:Moved to Feedback/Requests! :)
Aww I logged on with excitement to see that a Dev had posted to my thread; only to be disappointed, to see that they only moved it and didn't have anything to say.... |
Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
136
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Posted - 2013.09.15 14:39:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:Flint Beastgood III wrote:Being new to New Eden I was unfamiliar with pirate gear. Having now been informed, I like the idea of pirate gear in DUST 514. I like the point someone mentioned about needing level 5 in desired area (dropsuit command, weaponry, etc) and think level 5 plus proficiency 3 in 2 skiils would be a bit much, although it would make "pirates" less common and more of a niche. In EvE pirate ships are more of a niche and their gear is hideously expensive. Those skills that I said should be at level 5 are all x1 skills by the way so getting them skilled up to level 5 should not be an issue for anyone.
Yeah, the main skills I agree with (I guess it was you that said that). What I was kinda objecting to was the Proto weapon + proficiency level 3 x2 someone else suggested, but as it has now been stated this would bring them in line with similar gear in EVE.
Either way, I'd be happy to see this implemented at some point. |
Talos Alomar
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:28:00 -
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Picture this - Sansha's nation dropsuits that have upload all the enemies they've spotted to tacnet again so an entire squad of Nation dropsuits would have a bit of a hive mind. |
Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.15 17:04:00 -
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Talos Alomar wrote:Picture this - Sansha's nation dropsuits that have upload all the enemies they've spotted to tacnet again so an entire squad of Nation dropsuits would have a bit of a hive mind.
I like this idea and IGÇÖll iterate upon it: Saying there were 2 people running Sansha's Nation Dropsuits but they were in different squads. When one used an active scanner or spotted an enemy with passive scanners it would share the locations on the Tacnet to all mercenaries using Sansha's Nation suits. This would then put some sense of; who is in your Pirate Faction within that said match and make Sansha's Nation mercenaries very sought after.
Anyway just throwing that out there. |
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Synbot
Expert Intervention Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2013.09.15 17:07:00 -
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I love this |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4184
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Posted - 2013.09.15 17:15:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:Talos Alomar wrote:Picture this - Sansha's nation dropsuits that have upload all the enemies they've spotted to tacnet again so an entire squad of Nation dropsuits would have a bit of a hive mind. I like this idea and IGÇÖll iterate upon it: Saying there were 2 people running Sansha's Nation Dropsuits but they were in different squads. When one used an active scanner or spotted an enemy with passive scanners it would share the locations on the Tacnet to all mercenaries using Sansha's Nation suits. This would then put some sense of; who is in your Pirate Faction within that said match and make Sansha's Nation mercenaries very sought after. Anyway just throwing that out there.
This will also put a lot of emphasis on profile dampening or cloak equipment so I can imagine a number of scouts with Covert OP abilities getting used to counter the Sansha suits. |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
970
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Posted - 2013.09.15 17:16:00 -
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Ohh think of the guristas hav ohh shiny shiny |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4184
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Posted - 2013.09.15 19:27:00 -
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I can also imagine the Sansha suits being a real benefit to the snipers. |
Ch1ef O'Brien
DUST University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2013.09.16 15:42:00 -
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IGÇÖm guessing Navy Faction gear doesn't require a hybrid of skills too?
Also IGÇÖd like to see the Blood Raider Saga get the Amarr model once its released and the Blood Raider Dropsuit to have its model changed to Amarr (currently its a Caldari one)..... |
Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
157
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Posted - 2013.09.16 15:56:00 -
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Ch1ef O'Brien wrote:IGÇÖm guessing Navy Faction gear doesn't require a hybrid of skills too?
Also IGÇÖd like to see the Blood Raider Saga get the Amarr model once its released and the Blood Raider Dropsuit to have its model changed to Amarr (currently its a Caldari one).....
Blood Raider dropsuit?! whuuut? |
Vell0cet
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
224
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Posted - 2013.09.16 15:56:00 -
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Of course this will be cool, but there are other advancd weapons, "faction" weapons from the LP store, T2 (maybe T3 eventually?) and the pirate stuff. As you said, this would have to wait for all racial content to be in the game, but once that happens, I think LP gear needs to be the next priority so that FW players can earn elite gear. Maybe the pirate stuff should come after that, or maybe after T2 gear, I can see arguments from both sides. Either way I don't expect to see pirate gear for at least 3 years at the current pace. |
Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1034
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Posted - 2013.09.16 17:10:00 -
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How about Blood Raider suits that salvage more than the usual amount of biomass for payouts at the end of a battle? That's where our direct isk payments theoretically come from on the end of battle screen, collecting the dead bodies and selling them to the corporation that makes our clones...for them to turn into more clones.
So the idea is that for every clone you kill while wearing the Blood Raider suit you aren't just picking up the body, but also harvesting "pure" clone blood for the BR cult. |
Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.16 19:12:00 -
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:'( |
Vell0cet
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
225
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Posted - 2013.09.16 19:25:00 -
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At least... |
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Talos Alomar
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.16 19:43:00 -
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Ch1ef O'Brien wrote: Also IGÇÖd like to see the Blood Raider Saga get the Amarr model once its released and the Blood Raider Dropsuit to have its model changed to Amarr (currently its a Caldari one).....
You have no clue how happy that would make me.
Either way, CCP - Release some non caldari bpo's in a merc pack and I'll snap it right up. |
Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1759
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Posted - 2013.09.17 02:03:00 -
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Talos Alomar wrote:Ch1ef O'Brien wrote: Also IGÇÖd like to see the Blood Raider Saga get the Amarr model once its released and the Blood Raider Dropsuit to have its model changed to Amarr (currently its a Caldari one).....
You have no clue how happy that would make me. Either way, CCP - Release some non caldari bpo's in a merc pack and I'll snap it right up.
Yeh IGÇÖve never even liked Loldari in EVE let alone in getting their gear in the Merc packs. You're right though IGÇÖd love more merc packs and IGÇÖve seen so many people requesting them too.... Maybe CCP are happy with the ISK they have gotten from everyone and don't really need to concentrate on marketing at the moment.
FYI: IcelandGÇÖs currency is also called ISK (Icelandic Krona) |
Militia TEST
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.09.20 18:30:00 -
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If CCP did release these, it would be nice to see some dirty colours to signify Pirates. The suits could be worn, torn, rusted, missing pieces and blood stains on them.
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Talos Alomar
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1524
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Posted - 2013.09.20 19:28:00 -
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Militia TEST wrote:If CCP did release these, it would be nice to see some dirty colours to signify Pirates. The suits could be worn, torn, rusted, missing pieces and blood stains on them.
Blood raiders would be awesome - gold plates and bloodstains |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2155
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Posted - 2013.09.20 20:44:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:Please Note: This is for when all weaponry and dropsuits have been released and balanced. IntroductionOther than the 4 main races in New Eden, there are other factions ( Pirate Factions) who have their own specialised hybridized variants of current technology. They are often hinted upon all around Dust 514, but youGÇÖve probably not realize that they were a GÇÿFactionGÇÖ. One to mention; Guristas Pirates - The skull with bunny ears that often pops up on the screen in your mercenary quarters. There are many more dotted around with named weaponry and vehicles but to some they wouldn't stand out as if they are a actually an organised faction; rather just a name given to a said item. ProposalI would like to propose more Factional items and dropsuits to be introduced but heres the twist. Like in EVE; being able to use factional gear requires a hybrid of racial skills, to which they often pull traits and bonuses from that said race. For example: To use a GÇ£Guristas Assault RifleGÇ¥ would require the following skills: Caladri Rail Rifle - Proficiency 3 Gallente Assault Rifle - Proficiency 3 Or The Angel Cartel's gear requires a hybrid of Minmatar and Gallente. IGÇÖm currently at prototype Winmatar Logistics and fast approaching the status of GÇ£no skills to trainGÇ¥ but IGÇÖm really liking the Gallente logistics bonuses and considering cross training into that. This is where an Angel Cartel Logistics suit would be come into play and would require the following skills to gain access to a basic Angel Cartel's Logistics Dropsuit; Gallente Logistics 3 Minmatar Logistics 3 Heres a link to show how the Angel Cartel's Dramiel utilizes cross training skill sets in a similar fashion. SummaryTo some this might over complicate things but, this would change the pace, bring some balance to cross training into GÇÿFactionalGÇÖ gear and give those of us who are running out of skills to train, more variety and reason to cross train. If there was a "Guristas Logistic Dropsuit" for example; the people who have already had their Caldari Logistics suits nerfed would already be halfway there (needing to skill into Gallente Logistics) and wouldn't feel like they have wasted any time or skill points. This could even put an end to the idea of a re-specs for all those people affected by the nerf waggon, weather its about a weapons, dropsuits or vehicles! I would love to hear your thoughts on the subject. And if you are one of the minority of players who are fast approaching the GÇ£no skills to trainGÇ¥, would this added feature make you happy to cross train? What Pirate Faction weapons, dropsuits or vehicles would you be inclined to cross train into? Not until core content has been implemented. I mentioned this a long long time ago, nothing will happen for many years. |
True Adamance
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Talos Alomar wrote:Militia TEST wrote:If CCP did release these, it would be nice to see some dirty colours to signify Pirates. The suits could be worn, torn, rusted, missing pieces and blood stains on them.
Blood raiders would be awesome - gold plates and bloodstains Blood raiders don't have the gold, but they do have the deserty tan of the Matari.
You also just linked Lautrec my FAV DKS character. |
Lt Royal
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Posted - 2013.09.20 22:42:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: Not until core content has been implemented. I mentioned this a long long time ago, nothing will happen for many years.
Which is why I stated first :
Quote:Please Note: This is for when all weaponry and dropsuits have been released and balanced.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.09.20 22:44:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:True Adamance wrote: Not until core content has been implemented. I mentioned this a long long time ago, nothing will happen for many years.
Which is why I stated first : Quote:Please Note: This is for when all weaponry and dropsuits have been released and balanced. Sounds great sorry for not fully reading. It will be cool, it will make faction gear and siding more meaningful. I would love to wage some war against some pirates. |
Talos Alomar
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Posted - 2013.09.21 00:07:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Talos Alomar wrote:Militia TEST wrote:If CCP did release these, it would be nice to see some dirty colours to signify Pirates. The suits could be worn, torn, rusted, missing pieces and blood stains on them.
Blood raiders would be awesome - gold plates and bloodstains Blood raiders don't have the gold, but they do have the deserty tan of the Matari. You also just linked Lautrec my FAV DKS character.
I figured we could break with tradition to have some blood soaked Amarr Templars... |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.09.21 00:09:00 -
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Talos Alomar wrote:True Adamance wrote:Talos Alomar wrote:Militia TEST wrote:If CCP did release these, it would be nice to see some dirty colours to signify Pirates. The suits could be worn, torn, rusted, missing pieces and blood stains on them.
Blood raiders would be awesome - gold plates and bloodstains Blood raiders don't have the gold, but they do have the deserty tan of the Matari. You also just linked Lautrec my FAV DKS character. I figured we could break with tradition to have some blood soaked Amarr Templars... Don't even start with that. PIE has an Anti Blood Raiders stance. Sani Sabik are a big no no as I found out when I first applied.
More Lautrec Less Blood Raiders! |
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Talos Alomar
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Posted - 2013.09.21 00:12:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Talos Alomar wrote:
I figured we could break with tradition to have some blood soaked Amarr Templars...
Don't even start with that. PIE has an Anti Blood Raiders stance. Sani Sabik are a big no no as I found out when I first applied. More Lautrec Less Blood Raiders!
Hah, I guess it'll just have to be a faction that lets you RP'ers wear the blood of your enemies... |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.09.21 00:29:00 -
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Talos Alomar wrote:True Adamance wrote:Talos Alomar wrote:
I figured we could break with tradition to have some blood soaked Amarr Templars...
Don't even start with that. PIE has an Anti Blood Raiders stance. Sani Sabik are a big no no as I found out when I first applied. More Lautrec Less Blood Raiders! Hah, I guess it'll just have to be a faction that lets you RP'ers wear the blood of your enemies... Meh its some policy they have had for X years I don't know. RP thing and all. |
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Posted - 2013.09.21 00:43:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Talos Alomar wrote:True Adamance wrote:Talos Alomar wrote:
I figured we could break with tradition to have some blood soaked Amarr Templars...
Don't even start with that. PIE has an Anti Blood Raiders stance. Sani Sabik are a big no no as I found out when I first applied. More Lautrec Less Blood Raiders! Hah, I guess it'll just have to be a faction that lets you RP'ers wear the blood of your enemies... Meh its some policy they have had for X years I don't know. RP thing and all.
Well what's Amarr RP without confusing and pointless dogma, eh? |
Lt Royal
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Posted - 2013.09.21 19:39:00 -
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The Guristas Logistics suit could come pre fitted with a Repair Tool to where the sidearm slot would be; giving the user a fast swop to their repair tool. Seeing as in EVE Guristas ships are Drone Boats and we don't have any drones in game as of yet; their nanite technology could be way more advanced giving their Repair Tools the ability to repair armor and replenish ammunition. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.09.21 20:51:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:The Guristas Logistics suit could come pre fitted with a Repair Tool to where the sidearm slot would be; giving the user a fast swop to their repair tool. Seeing as in EVE Guristas ships are Drone Boats and we don't have any drones in game as of yet; their nanite technology could be way more advanced giving their Repair Tools the ability to repair armor and replenish ammunition.
I feel like Pirate Equipment would have two smaller racial bonuses much like they do in EVE.
For Example
Sansha's Nation Assault
Amarr Dropsuit Bonus- 1-2% per level bonus to laser damage or Current Amarr Racial Dropsuit Bonus
Caldari Dropsuit Bonus- 1-2% per level bonus to laser damage or Current Amarr Racial Dropsuit bonus
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Lt Royal
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Posted - 2013.09.27 11:50:00 -
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Oh yeh! Made it to the weekly updates page, thanks CCP o7 |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 12:04:00 -
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I saw that. Nice work. |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 20:38:00 -
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Would this mean all sansha stuff is covered in spikes? Would be rather hard to hold a sanshas rifle. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.09.27 21:59:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:Would this mean all sansha stuff is covered in spikes? Would be rather hard to hold a sanshas rifle. It would, the spikey onion men would be coming for you. |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 23:16:00 -
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Oh Oh Oh, can i be a spikey onion man? |
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.09.27 23:17:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:Oh Oh Oh, can i be a spikey onion man? Only if you wished to be hated, hunted, and generally reviled by everyone in New Eden. |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 23:35:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Oh Oh Oh, can i be a spikey onion man? Only if you wished to be hated, hunted, and generally reviled by everyone in New Eden.
Because TEST already gets so much love... |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 23:39:00 -
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CCP have uploaded showcasing concept art of the new SoE ships:: Frigate and Cruiser (God damn do they look sexy!) I know theyGÇÖre not a Pirate Faction but IGÇÖd now love to see a Sisters of EVE dropsuits; all painted white with hints of red.
They could have:: Sisters of EVE Bonus :: +1 hp/s armor repair and ammo supply per level - To coincide with their Drone functionality with eve - Nanites are the closest thing we have to drones; thus healing and or resupplying other dropsuits within close proximity; say 5 meters... |
Benjamin Ciscko
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Posted - 2013.09.28 13:34:00 -
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Pirate salvage tanks maybe those few hundred thousand wasted shield skills will be useful. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.09.28 14:45:00 -
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Talos Alomar wrote:True Adamance wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Oh Oh Oh, can i be a spikey onion man? Only if you wished to be hated, hunted, and generally reviled by everyone in New Eden. Because TEST already gets so much love... Yeah but you'd be surprised how much hate Sansha generates..... |
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Posted - 2013.11.01 22:09:00 -
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The problem with this is that bonuses are applied by skills ... not by items ... so to introduce a pirate faction dropsuit, it would need a pirate faction skill if it wanted any bonuses.
I've said this all along, bonuses should be item based. It would make it easier to understand what you're getting when you view info in the market, without having to go through the skill tree to find out what bonuses you're getting with it ... and it would make things like pirate faction and sidegrade gear possible without messing about with the skill tree.
That said, I've also brought up a very long time ago how pirate faction stuff should be put on the roadmap. |
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