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DoomLead
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.09.14 16:42:00 -
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It is because when Tac-ARs were the flavor of the month 65% of the game population maxed out the skill tree for the AR. it also doesn't have weakness like when the LR, SCR, & HMG heat up, the FG long charge time, or the skill needed for the MD.
I am not saying the AR is OP it just needs a weakness.
the weakness is you need to add to its recoil you should have to manually readjust your sights something fierce when not firing in bursts. in the real world when you fire an actual assault rifle for 30 rounds there is no way possible for a person to be on target for every shot. this is why a lot of real world millitary weapons have a 3 round burst.
edit: I do not want to turn this into a sh*t slinging contest between people read the thread and tell me if you agree or disagree with my assesment |
RA Drahcir
Psygod9
195
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Posted - 2013.09.14 16:47:00 -
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It is OP. |
J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
916
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Posted - 2013.09.14 16:47:00 -
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Realism doesn't really apply, however, that being said
I agree that the assault rifle needs to have some HUGE recoil after a few shots, so that at range its still technically possible to kill as efficiently but in practice you need to be the best player there ever was to actually make all your shots land.
When the other variants like the Combat and Gauss rifles come into play it will make an interesting balancing problem but I think that can done right.
If other weapons could compete at range with the AR this problem would be solved but alas CCP is not very consistent or doesnt have a very clear direction with their balancing attempts. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1685
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Posted - 2013.09.14 16:50:00 -
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The AR is OP.
It has been for a while. It's killing Dust.
The main problem a that so many people use it that there's always some jackass that comes to the forums to white Knight about the AR not really being OP. These people care more about maintaining their advantage than perpetuating the game.
The AR has been OP for a very long time in game. This is why it is so overused. The AA had only exacerbated the issue.
If you aren't for a nerf to AR you don't support Dust.
If you aren't for a reduction to hitscan mechanics you don't support Dust.
If you aren't for a nerf to AA you don't support Dust.
Hail king AR. Go AR or go home. Hail AR 514. |
DoomLead
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
202
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Posted - 2013.09.14 16:54:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:The AR is OP.
It has been for a while. It's killing Dust.
The main problem a that so many people use it that there's always some jackass that comes to the forums to white Knight about the AR not really being OP. These people care more about maintaining their advantage than perpetuating the game.
The AR has been OP for a very long time in game. This is why it is so overused. The AA had only exacerbated the issue.
If you aren't for a nerf to AR you don't support Dust.
If you aren't for a reduction to hitscan mechanics you don't support Dust.
If you aren't for a nerf to AA you don't support Dust.
Hail king AR. Go AR or go home. Hail AR 514.
dude it doesn't need its figures to be readjusted it just needs to have a major increase to its recoil |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1188
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Posted - 2013.09.14 17:05:00 -
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DoomLead wrote:or the skill needed for the MD.
 lol
But yea I semi agree |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
324
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Posted - 2013.09.14 17:08:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:The AR is OP.
It has been for a while. It's killing Dust.
The main problem a that so many people use it that there's always some jackass that comes to the forums to white Knight about the AR not really being OP. These people care more about maintaining their advantage than perpetuating the game.
The AR has been OP for a very long time in game. This is why it is so overused. The AA had only exacerbated the issue.
If you aren't for a nerf to AR you don't support Dust.
If you aren't for a reduction to hitscan mechanics you don't support Dust.
If you aren't for a nerf to AA you don't support Dust.
Hail king AR. Go AR or go home. Hail AR 514.
Aim assist is fine, and hit scans are fine because were in the future so bullets travel much faster |
STABBEY
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
456
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Posted - 2013.09.14 17:41:00 -
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The AR is not OP lol...
The scrambler rifle is the new FoTM.
Caldari Assault AR vs. ANY assault SR= Raped by SR.
If you think otherwise go play a few games and get back to me.
Scrambler rifles > Everything else. |
Green Living
0uter.Heaven
849
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Posted - 2013.09.14 17:44:00 -
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STABBEY wrote:The AR is not OP lol...
The scrambler rifle is the new FoTM.
Caldari Assault AR vs. ANY assault SR= Raped by SR.
If you think otherwise go play a few games and get back to me.
Scrambler rifles > Everything else.
Obvious AR user.  |
Skipper Jones
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
740
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Posted - 2013.09.14 17:54:00 -
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Green Living wrote:STABBEY wrote:The AR is not OP lol...
The scrambler rifle is the new FoTM.
Caldari Assault AR vs. ANY assault SR= Raped by SR.
If you think otherwise go play a few games and get back to me.
Scrambler rifles > Everything else. Obvious AR user.
Lol true. I use the SR/AScR more than anything else.
Somebody is mad that their little Caldari suit isn't shiny anymore |
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STABBEY
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
456
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Posted - 2013.09.14 18:01:00 -
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Green Living wrote:STABBEY wrote:The AR is not OP lol...
The scrambler rifle is the new FoTM.
Caldari Assault AR vs. ANY assault SR= Raped by SR.
If you think otherwise go play a few games and get back to me.
Scrambler rifles > Everything else. Obvious AR user.
Yep I've used the AR since closed beta, its the weapon I have used in every FPS I've played.
Its the weapon I like. Fully skilled into it.
The scrambler rifle is becoming the dominant weapon, the TAC version will kill you in 2-3 hits.
I have 19mill SP and am fully skilled into my class/role and even I get smacked by the SR's these days I can only imagine how the noobs feel.
So I can say from experiance the AR is not OP, they gave them a silent nerf. The better the AR you use, the more kick/dispersion it has. The BPO AR is more accurate than a Duvole.
The better the weapon, the less accurate it gets at this point in time. 
Edit: Skipper you are a child, and a noob at that so shush while the adults talk K? k. Posts from little boy= Hidden. |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
980
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Posted - 2013.09.14 18:02:00 -
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Once aim assist is tweaked, it will get a little weaker.
Also, they need to remove the "feathering" the trigger exploit. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1033
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Posted - 2013.09.14 18:04:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Once aim assist is tweaked, it will get a little weaker.
Also, they need to remove the "feathering" the trigger exploit.
I doubt you'll be getting rid of tap/burst fire as it's in almost every FPS |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
299
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Posted - 2013.09.14 18:09:00 -
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It seemed to gain range in 1.4 too. Hits from a distant AR that previous to 1.4 I would snicker at as they did a couple points damage now all of a sudden at long range regular ARs (i.e. neither burst or tac) are shredding shields when you can't even really see your attacker they are so far away.
I think that ARs need a range decrease and should have the same sort of kick the assault scrambler rifle does |
Skyhound Solbrave
Rough Riders..
239
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Posted - 2013.09.14 18:11:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Once aim assist is tweaked, it will get a little weaker.
Also, they need to remove the "feathering" the trigger exploit.
Do you mean burst fire? That's not an exploit, that's a legitimate method of firing.
I haven't used that AR since the ScR came out, but I feel like it has three issues: damage is too high for both shields and armor, next to no recoil/dispersion, and it has a lot of range. Aside from AA being tweaked slightly, I feel like CCP should try to fix ONE of these problems. |
Skipper Jones
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
741
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Posted - 2013.09.14 18:29:00 -
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STABBEY wrote:
Edit: Skipper you are a child, and a noob at that so shush while the adults talk K? k. Posts from little boy= Hidden.
Do you feel better saying that? Sounding very mature there. |
Vin Vicious
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Public Disorder.
449
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Posted - 2013.09.14 19:36:00 -
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STABBEY wrote:The AR is not OP lol...
The scrambler rifle is the new FoTM.
Caldari Assault AR vs. ANY assault SR= Raped by SR.
If you think otherwise go play a few games and get back to me.
Scrambler rifles > Everything else.
LOLOLOL |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
4155
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Posted - 2013.09.14 19:39:00 -
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What you're seeing now is basically a comeback from all the people who specced into the Tactical Assault Rifles back during the early parts of Dust when TARs use to be the OP flavor of the month before their clip size and rate of fire were nerfed. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
242
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Posted - 2013.09.14 19:47:00 -
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AR is OP, slightly over 450 damage a second at prototype level. Thats more damage per second then a plasma cannon, or forgegun which are both AV weapons.
Give it a effective range of 20 - 30 meters with drastic falloff of damage at 35m.
Going by EVE lore, blasters (which the GAR are) are the shortest range weapons, but not in Dust which is the same universe.
Also, give small blaster turrets better damage and range because the proto varient is comparible to the ADV smg |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
495
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Posted - 2013.09.14 19:54:00 -
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It's op because it can kill at long distance on full autofire - no dispersion that's meaningful, no barrel wonder that's worth talking about, and DPS out of the wazoo with a huge clip. Nerf either one of those parameters in small ways and you will eventually rein in AR.
Right now in pub games all you see in kill feed are AR kills. I imagine it's similar in PC with occasional Nade, tank or FG kill.
Also, ppl put their eggs in AR basket because all other weapons get nerf with remarkable consistency - if not directly, indirectly when CCP desides to drop a bomb and completely rework certain mechanics of the game - like giving aimbot or introducint a new patch that messes up hit detection on SG and MD. |
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Skipper Jones
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
745
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Posted - 2013.09.14 19:56:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:AR is OP, slightly over 450 damage a second at prototype level. Thats more damage per second then a plasma cannon, or forgegun which are both AV weapons.
Give it a effective range of 20 - 30 meters with drastic falloff of damage at 35m.
Going by EVE lore, blasters (which the GAR are) are the shortest range weapons, but not in Dust which is the same universe.
Also, give small blaster turrets better damage and range because the proto varient is comparible to the ADV smg
You do realize that you have to charge the FG, the charge takes more than a second... |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
980
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:03:00 -
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Skyhound Solbrave wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Once aim assist is tweaked, it will get a little weaker.
Also, they need to remove the "feathering" the trigger exploit. Do you mean burst fire? That's not an exploit, that's a legitimate method of firing. I haven't used that AR since the ScR came out, but I feel like it has three issues: damage is too high for both shields and armor, next to no recoil/dispersion, and it has a lot of range. Aside from AA being tweaked slightly, I feel like CCP should try to fix ONE of these problems. no, I mean when you "feather" R1 so the gun will continuously fire with no recoil. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1667
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:06:00 -
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These people crying about the AR will cry even harder about the combat rifle.
It will be glorious. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
969
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:06:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:The AR is OP.
It has been for a while. It's killing Dust.
The main problem a that so many people use it that there's always some jackass that comes to the forums to white Knight about the AR not really being OP. These people care more about maintaining their advantage than perpetuating the game.
The AR has been OP for a very long time in game. This is why it is so overused. The AA had only exacerbated the issue.
If you aren't for a nerf to AR you don't support Dust.
If you aren't for a reduction to hitscan mechanics you don't support Dust.
If you aren't for a nerf to AA you don't support Dust.
Hail king AR. Go AR or go home. Hail AR 514.
im an SR specialist and from my perspective the AR may need a slight tweak in damage possibly. HOWEVER. That would only be fair if all the other light weapons were in the game already, which there not. So until those are added, nothing can really be done about the AR because it is pretty much balanced...... well...... pretty much anyway. |
semperfi1999
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
929
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:10:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:The AR is OP.
It has been for a while. It's killing Dust.
The main problem a that so many people use it that there's always some jackass that comes to the forums to white Knight about the AR not really being OP. These people care more about maintaining their advantage than perpetuating the game.
The AR has been OP for a very long time in game. This is why it is so overused. The AA had only exacerbated the issue.
If you aren't for a nerf to AR you don't support Dust.
If you aren't for a reduction to hitscan mechanics you don't support Dust.
If you aren't for a nerf to AA you don't support Dust.
Hail king AR. Go AR or go home. Hail AR 514.
Oh look its the guy who claims to be a scientist but doesnt know the first thing about how to properly gather and interpret data.
Hows it been? Still on the AR is OP thing eh?
Honestly right now the only thing thats OP is the AA. If the AA isnt toned down then I think all weapons that use AA should get a slight nerf. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
900
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:13:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:The AR is OP.
It has been for a while. It's killing Dust.
The main problem a that so many people use it that there's always some jackass that comes to the forums to white Knight about the AR not really being OP. These people care more about maintaining their advantage than perpetuating the game.
The AR has been OP for a very long time in game. This is why it is so overused. The AA had only exacerbated the issue.
If you aren't for a nerf to AR you don't support Dust.
If you aren't for a reduction to hitscan mechanics you don't support Dust.
If you aren't for a nerf to AA you don't support Dust.
Hail king AR. Go AR or go home. Hail AR 514. Oh look its the guy who claims to be a scientist but doesnt know the first thing about how to properly gather and interpret data. Hows it been? Still on the AR is OP thing eh? Honestly right now the only thing thats OP is the AA. If the AA isnt toned down then I think all weapons that use AA should get a slight nerf.
lol..you played the last few days? still think AA is OP?...didn't notice CCP ninja nerfed it?
whats your excuse for being bad now? |
semperfi1999
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
929
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:22:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:The AR is OP.
It has been for a while. It's killing Dust.
The main problem a that so many people use it that there's always some jackass that comes to the forums to white Knight about the AR not really being OP. These people care more about maintaining their advantage than perpetuating the game.
The AR has been OP for a very long time in game. This is why it is so overused. The AA had only exacerbated the issue.
If you aren't for a nerf to AR you don't support Dust.
If you aren't for a reduction to hitscan mechanics you don't support Dust.
If you aren't for a nerf to AA you don't support Dust.
Hail king AR. Go AR or go home. Hail AR 514. Oh look its the guy who claims to be a scientist but doesnt know the first thing about how to properly gather and interpret data. Hows it been? Still on the AR is OP thing eh? Honestly right now the only thing thats OP is the AA. If the AA isnt toned down then I think all weapons that use AA should get a slight nerf. lol..you played the last few days? still think AA is OP?...didn't notice CCP ninja nerfed it? whats your excuse for being bad now?
Nope didnt play yesterday or the day before. So no if they did ninja nerf it I had not paid very close attention.
Although I LOL at your attempt to act like I am a bad player. Bring it with your what 1.5 KDR (I might be giving you too much credit there).
If CCP really did change the AA and tone it down then I will have to check it out further before I make any other statement regarding the need for weapons that utilize AA to be toned down. |
Athena Sentinel
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:26:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:white Knight about the AR... Go AR or go home. Hail AR 514.
Ya the AR is not OP its that more SP is dumbed into it. You cannot sit there with level 3 in scrambles rifles and expect to be doing the damage a level 5 AR skilled person is.
The AR is over used because there is no other way to spec into other options without wasting SP. If you think the AR is OP then why not just use it and shut up?
I do not see the AR being op, I see players lacking the skills and SP to use the other weapons effectively. The ones using Laser Rifles and Scramblers correctly are not QQing about it. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
3212
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:30:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:
Right now in pub games all you see in kill feed are AR kills. I imagine it's similar in PC with occasional Nade, tank or FG kill.
In PC, what you mostly see is mass driver spam, grenade spam, and forge gun spam, mixed with the FotM. |
semperfi1999
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
929
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:30:00 -
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Athena Sentinel wrote:Buster Friently wrote:white Knight about the AR... Go AR or go home. Hail AR 514. Ya the AR is not OP its that more SP is dumbed into it. You cannot sit there with level 3 in scrambles rifles and expect to be doing the damage a level 5 AR skilled person is. The AR is over used because there is no other way to spec into other options without wasting SP. If you think the AR is OP then why not just use it and shut up? I do not see the AR being op, I see players lacking the skills and SP to use the other weapons effectively. The ones using Laser Rifles and Scramblers correctly are not QQing about it.
Actually its more of a thing where...the majority of newer players spend months using the AR only because its one of the few militia weapons available. It also comes free on the standard builds so as a result people are used to using this weapon and since SP is such a tight commodity for newer players they dont spec into something different just to "try it out". Once you have players that are over 10 mill then you will start to see a few more of those players branching out into different weapons. I know that I decided to go a little into SMG (which I have never used until recently). |
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
245
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:38:00 -
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Skipper Jones wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:AR is OP, slightly over 450 damage a second at prototype level. Thats more damage per second then a plasma cannon, or forgegun which are both AV weapons.
Give it a effective range of 20 - 30 meters with drastic falloff of damage at 35m.
Going by EVE lore, blasters (which the GAR are) are the shortest range weapons, but not in Dust which is the same universe.
Also, give small blaster turrets better damage and range because the proto varient is comparible to the ADV smg You do realize that you have to charge the FG, the charge takes more than a second...
You do realise what DPS means right?
DAMAGE PER SECOND
So yes, my point stands. |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
169
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:39:00 -
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RA Drahcir wrote:It is OP.
Rail rifles are coming and combat rifle |
semperfi1999
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
929
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:42:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:RA Drahcir wrote:It is OP. Rail rifles are coming and combat rifle
Honestly I do want to use the combat rifle |
Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
185
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:47:00 -
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STABBEY wrote:The AR is not OP lol...
The scrambler rifle is the new FoTM.
Caldari Assault AR vs. ANY assault SR= Raped by SR.
If you think otherwise go play a few games and get back to me.
Scrambler rifles > Everything else.
Really! Caldari suits have a weakness?! Its lasers?! Who would have guessed?
Believe it or not the ScR does more damage to shields, which the Caldari suit has a lot of. Its amazing that you are dying to your weakness isn't it? What do you expect, to not have a weakness?
Do you know what not having a weakness is called? OP. |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization
Test Friends Please Ignore
360
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:52:00 -
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maybe put the ar to about the same range of the assault scrambler rifle.... |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
3846
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:53:00 -
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The AR is easy mode, which is why I like it. It's not OP.
^ Basically why it's not OP in the eyes of people that think the AR is fine.
I use both SR and AR, and the AR feels better / more effective. Is it OP? I don't know. Does CCP want DUST to be a quick game with fast 1v1's? If so, then the AR is not OP. It's working as intended.
If CCP wants a game where 1v1 engagements are drawn out and involves more "skill", then the AR is OP / doing too good a job.
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
2917
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:55:00 -
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DoomLead wrote:It is because when Tac-ARs were the flavor of the month 65% of the game population maxed out the skill tree for the AR. it also doesn't have weakness like when the LR, SCR, & HMG heat up, the FG long charge time, or the skill needed for the MD.
I am not saying the AR is OP it just needs a weakness.
the weakness is you need to add to its recoil you should have to manually readjust your sights something fierce when not firing in bursts. in the real world when you fire an actual assault rifle for 30 rounds there is no way possible for a person to be on target for every shot. this is why a lot of real world millitary weapons have a 3 round burst.
edit: I do not want to turn this into a sh*t slinging contest between people read the thread and tell me if you agree or disagree with my assesment
And what's the SCR's weakness exactly? The minute overheat mechanic that takes two full magazines to actually accomplish with no skills invested? |
Cosgar
ParagonX
5249
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:59:00 -
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It's a placeholder and will get re-balanced when the rail and combat rifle come out. On that day, it will finally become the jack of all trades, master of none it was meant to be instead of lord of all. I hope they cut the optimal range down to 30 m and lower the clip size. The damn thing has more DPS than large blaster turrets. |
Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
185
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Posted - 2013.09.14 22:04:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:DoomLead wrote:It is because when Tac-ARs were the flavor of the month 65% of the game population maxed out the skill tree for the AR. it also doesn't have weakness like when the LR, SCR, & HMG heat up, the FG long charge time, or the skill needed for the MD.
I am not saying the AR is OP it just needs a weakness.
the weakness is you need to add to its recoil you should have to manually readjust your sights something fierce when not firing in bursts. in the real world when you fire an actual assault rifle for 30 rounds there is no way possible for a person to be on target for every shot. this is why a lot of real world millitary weapons have a 3 round burst.
edit: I do not want to turn this into a sh*t slinging contest between people read the thread and tell me if you agree or disagree with my assesment And what's the SCR's weakness exactly? The minute overheat mechanic that takes two full magazines to actually accomplish with no skills invested?
The lower DPS(barely, I admit, but still), the higher fitting cost, the higher dispersion, the insane muzzle flash, armor, and like you said, the overheat(which only seems to happen when you are surrounded by enemies in my experience). In exchange for that it gets a 20% larger magazine, better hipfire, and a bonus against shields. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
457
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Posted - 2013.09.14 22:08:00 -
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Personally I think the AR is OP,
why this is because of numerous factors
improved hit detection
incredibly low spread
increadibly far effective range
large ammo supply
large magazine size
short reload time
no overheat
high rof
there pretty much isnt a single drawback, not one, to this weapon, now first off it needs to fit its racial profile, short range, very fast falloff to effective, add kick, and a little extra dispersion, maybe 50%, the damge can remain high, as per galaente tech, but it needs a drawback a weakness, something to bring it inline with the tac, breach and burst!!
rhats my opinion anyway!! |
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CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization
Test Friends Please Ignore
360
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Posted - 2013.09.14 22:09:00 -
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actually the large blaster turrets seem to still be having hit detection problems....
and the large blaster turrets definitely have a better dps than an ar..
reason why i can fire longer and not have to worry about reloading..
but its recoil is the greatest of all the weapons in its class currently..
an smg has no recoil that i have noticed so far...but the ar currently is fine if u dont want to die to it then dont run out into the open where any1 can gun u down |
St Izm
RestlessSpirits
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
4
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Posted - 2013.09.14 22:13:00 -
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I think that comparing the AR to any other weapons in the game besides SR and SMG most of the other weapons are kind of situational weapons. The HMG fires way too fast right now for added range. If you grab a sniper rifle you can kill all the above without engaging them. I also believe that most people QQ are crying because one good sqaud of people usually **** the battlefield. So quit QQ and get good. P.S. aim assist might as well be an aimbot turn it down, if you don't agree can aim assist apply to my tank? As for Forge and Plasma give me a break they should never be a viable weapon they are one shot kills if you hit anyone no matter the shields or armor, think of them as superpowered shotguns with some range. Im never for nerfing any weapons lets make the others stronger or something taking away from any weapon takes away from the game. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
900
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Posted - 2013.09.14 22:14:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Buster Friently wrote:The AR is OP.
It has been for a while. It's killing Dust.
The main problem a that so many people use it that there's always some jackass that comes to the forums to white Knight about the AR not really being OP. These people care more about maintaining their advantage than perpetuating the game.
The AR has been OP for a very long time in game. This is why it is so overused. The AA had only exacerbated the issue.
If you aren't for a nerf to AR you don't support Dust.
If you aren't for a reduction to hitscan mechanics you don't support Dust.
If you aren't for a nerf to AA you don't support Dust.
Hail king AR. Go AR or go home. Hail AR 514. Oh look its the guy who claims to be a scientist but doesnt know the first thing about how to properly gather and interpret data. Hows it been? Still on the AR is OP thing eh? Honestly right now the only thing thats OP is the AA. If the AA isnt toned down then I think all weapons that use AA should get a slight nerf. lol..you played the last few days? still think AA is OP?...didn't notice CCP ninja nerfed it? whats your excuse for being bad now? Nope didnt play yesterday or the day before. So no if they did ninja nerf it I had not paid very close attention. Although I LOL at your attempt to act like I am a bad player. Bring it with your what 1.5 KDR (I might be giving you too much credit there). If CCP really did change the AA and tone it down then I will have to check it out further before I make any other statement regarding the need for weapons that utilize AA to be toned down.
I never said you WERE a bad player.. im saying if you use AA to explain why your bad even after a ninja nerf than you may be... however since you bring up kdr as if that's a determination between good and bad players, then yes, now I am calling you a bad player....
btw...my kdr is 1.33, you can find me on the leader boards for kills and wp (near the bottom)... troll it if you want I don't care...im more concerned with tactical proficiency than I am a single stat... |
St Izm
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Posted - 2013.09.14 22:21:00 -
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Skipper Jones wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:AR is OP, slightly over 450 damage a second at prototype level. Thats more damage per second then a plasma cannon, or forgegun which are both AV weapons.
Give it a effective range of 20 - 30 meters with drastic falloff of damage at 35m.
Going by EVE lore, blasters (which the GAR are) are the shortest range weapons, but not in Dust which is the same universe.
Also, give small blaster turrets better damage and range because the proto varient is comparible to the ADV smg You do realize that you have to charge the FG, the charge takes more than a second...
Do you know how short 30 meters is? These are futuristic weapons and I would be able to kill anyone in dust with a freaking .22! C'mon lets get real add the range back to all the guns if i can see you on my screen i should be able to shoot you. Hence the reason for scopes so that you can see further because your rifle is sure as hell gonna shoot further than you can see. Lol 30 meters a defensive lineman can throw a football further than 30 meters.
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Posted - 2013.09.14 22:23:00 -
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St Izm wrote:I think that comparing the AR to any other weapons in the game besides SR and SMG most of the other weapons are kind of situational weapons. The HMG fires way too fast right now for added range. If you grab a sniper rifle you can kill all the above without engaging them. I also believe that most people QQ are crying because one good sqaud of people usually **** the battlefield. So quit QQ and get good. P.S. aim assist might as well be an aimbot turn it down, if you don't agree can aim assist apply to my tank? As for Forge and Plasma give me a break they should never be a viable weapon they are one shot kills if you hit anyone no matter the shields or armor, think of them as superpowered shotguns with some range. Im never for nerfing any weapons lets make the others stronger or something taking away from any weapon takes away from the game.
I am gonna disagree with and Im sorry!!
We understand that other weapons are situational/niche, but when you see heavies fall to an ar at 15m, or snipers ger shot from 80m, or even a shotgun being purely out dps'ed at 7m, something is up!! Those of us who aren't complaining about 'aimbot' don't have a problem with being gunned down in the open, if we are in the open, we expect to have to move fast, to really kick it to get to the other side alive, but when you get killed before you even poke your head out, its just too damn good!! |
Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2013.09.14 22:28:00 -
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St Izm wrote:Skipper Jones wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:AR is OP, slightly over 450 damage a second at prototype level. Thats more damage per second then a plasma cannon, or forgegun which are both AV weapons.
Give it a effective range of 20 - 30 meters with drastic falloff of damage at 35m.
Going by EVE lore, blasters (which the GAR are) are the shortest range weapons, but not in Dust which is the same universe.
Also, give small blaster turrets better damage and range because the proto varient is comparible to the ADV smg You do realize that you have to charge the FG, the charge takes more than a second... Do you know how short 30 meters is? These are futuristic weapons and I would be able to kill anyone in dust with a freaking .22! C'mon lets get real add the range back to all the guns if i can see you on my screen i should be able to shoot you. Hence the reason for scopes so that you can see further because your rifle is sure as hell gonna shoot further than you can see. Lol 30 meters a defensive lineman can throw a football further than 30 meters.
People can survive headshots from a .22, but we are sitting in sheilds and armour, which according to Iron Wolf Saber makes a gauss rifle obsolete, a gauss rifle is more powerful than todays best sniper rifle, so you know, I expect people to die into 2 shots from my MD?? |
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Posted - 2013.09.14 23:27:00 -
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St Izm wrote:Skipper Jones wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:AR is OP, slightly over 450 damage a second at prototype level. Thats more damage per second then a plasma cannon, or forgegun which are both AV weapons.
Give it a effective range of 20 - 30 meters with drastic falloff of damage at 35m.
Going by EVE lore, blasters (which the GAR are) are the shortest range weapons, but not in Dust which is the same universe.
Also, give small blaster turrets better damage and range because the proto varient is comparible to the ADV smg You do realize that you have to charge the FG, the charge takes more than a second... Do you know how short 30 meters is? These are futuristic weapons and I would be able to kill anyone in dust with a freaking .22! C'mon lets get real add the range back to all the guns if i can see you on my screen i should be able to shoot you. Hence the reason for scopes so that you can see further because your rifle is sure as hell gonna shoot further than you can see. Lol 30 meters a defensive lineman can throw a football further than 30 meters.
There is no way you would be able to kill someone in a dropsuit with a .22LR unless they didn't fight back and you had 1000s of rounds. When you add suits of armor that could survive modern day Anti Tank weaponry, combat becomes less focused on range and more focused on who can get through the the other persons armor first, which all of the anti infantry weapons we use are fairly good at doing.
To put our suits into perspective 1 round from an AR in this game would probably go through an M1 Abrams. These weapons are described as "fatal to use without a dropsuit". |
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Posted - 2013.09.15 15:06:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:DoomLead wrote:It is because when Tac-ARs were the flavor of the month 65% of the game population maxed out the skill tree for the AR. it also doesn't have weakness like when the LR, SCR, & HMG heat up, the FG long charge time, or the skill needed for the MD.
I am not saying the AR is OP it just needs a weakness.
the weakness is you need to add to its recoil you should have to manually readjust your sights something fierce when not firing in bursts. in the real world when you fire an actual assault rifle for 30 rounds there is no way possible for a person to be on target for every shot. this is why a lot of real world millitary weapons have a 3 round burst.
edit: I do not want to turn this into a sh*t slinging contest between people read the thread and tell me if you agree or disagree with my assesment And what's the SCR's weakness exactly? The minute overheat mechanic that takes two full magazines to actually accomplish with no skills invested?
that over heat can kill you
St Izm wrote:Skipper Jones wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:AR is OP, slightly over 450 damage a second at prototype level. Thats more damage per second then a plasma cannon, or forgegun which are both AV weapons.
Give it a effective range of 20 - 30 meters with drastic falloff of damage at 35m.
Going by EVE lore, blasters (which the GAR are) are the shortest range weapons, but not in Dust which is the same universe.
Also, give small blaster turrets better damage and range because the proto varient is comparible to the ADV smg You do realize that you have to charge the FG, the charge takes more than a second... Do you know how short 30 meters is? These are futuristic weapons and I would be able to kill anyone in dust with a freaking .22! C'mon lets get real add the range back to all the guns if i can see you on my screen i should be able to shoot you. Hence the reason for scopes so that you can see further because your rifle is sure as hell gonna shoot further than you can see. Lol 30 meters a defensive lineman can throw a football further than 30 meters.
I agree that range should be turned up specificly for the hmg
and damn this turned into a sh*t slinging thread |
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