DUST Search - Why the AR seems OP

Seymor Krelborn wrote:

semperfi1999 wrote:

Buster Friently wrote:

The AR is OP.

It has been for a while. It's killing Dust.

The main problem a that so many people use it that there's always some jackass that comes to the forums to white Knight about the AR not really being OP. These people care more about maintaining their advantage than perpetuating the game.

The AR has been OP for a very long time in game. This is why it is so overused. The AA had only exacerbated the issue.

If you aren't for a nerf to AR you don't support Dust.
If you aren't for a reduction to hitscan mechanics you don't support Dust.
If you aren't for a nerf to AA you don't support Dust.

Hail king AR. Go AR or go home. Hail AR 514.

Oh look its the guy who claims to be a scientist but doesnt know the first thing about how to properly gather and interpret data.

Hows it been? Still on the AR is OP thing eh?

Honestly right now the only thing thats OP is the AA. If the AA isnt toned down then I think all weapons that use AA should get a slight nerf.

lol..you played the last few days? still think AA is OP?...didn't notice CCP ninja nerfed it?

whats your excuse for being bad now?

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DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 202	Posted - 2013.09.14 16:42:00 - [1] - Quote It is because when Tac-ARs were the flavor of the month 65% of the game population maxed out the skill tree for the AR. it also doesn't have weakness like when the LR, SCR, & HMG heat up, the FG long charge time, or the skill needed for the MD. I am not saying the AR is OP it just needs a weakness. the weakness is you need to add to its recoil you should have to manually readjust your sights something fierce when not firing in bursts. in the real world when you fire an actual assault rifle for 30 rounds there is no way possible for a person to be on target for every shot. this is why a lot of real world millitary weapons have a 3 round burst. edit: I do not want to turn this into a sh*t slinging contest between people read the thread and tell me if you agree or disagree with my assesment
RA Drahcir Psygod9 195	Posted - 2013.09.14 16:47:00 - [2] - Quote It is OP.
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 916	Posted - 2013.09.14 16:47:00 - [3] - Quote Realism doesn't really apply, however, that being said I agree that the assault rifle needs to have some HUGE recoil after a few shots, so that at range its still technically possible to kill as efficiently but in practice you need to be the best player there ever was to actually make all your shots land. When the other variants like the Combat and Gauss rifles come into play it will make an interesting balancing problem but I think that can done right. If other weapons could compete at range with the AR this problem would be solved but alas CCP is not very consistent or doesnt have a very clear direction with their balancing attempts.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1685	Posted - 2013.09.14 16:50:00 - [4] - Quote The AR is OP. It has been for a while. It's killing Dust. The main problem a that so many people use it that there's always some jackass that comes to the forums to white Knight about the AR not really being OP. These people care more about maintaining their advantage than perpetuating the game. The AR has been OP for a very long time in game. This is why it is so overused. The AA had only exacerbated the issue. If you aren't for a nerf to AR you don't support Dust. If you aren't for a reduction to hitscan mechanics you don't support Dust. If you aren't for a nerf to AA you don't support Dust. Hail king AR. Go AR or go home. Hail AR 514.
DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 202	Posted - 2013.09.14 16:54:00 - [5] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: The AR is OP. It has been for a while. It's killing Dust. The main problem a that so many people use it that there's always some jackass that comes to the forums to white Knight about the AR not really being OP. These people care more about maintaining their advantage than perpetuating the game. The AR has been OP for a very long time in game. This is why it is so overused. The AA had only exacerbated the issue. If you aren't for a nerf to AR you don't support Dust. If you aren't for a reduction to hitscan mechanics you don't support Dust. If you aren't for a nerf to AA you don't support Dust. Hail king AR. Go AR or go home. Hail AR 514. dude it doesn't need its figures to be readjusted it just needs to have a major increase to its recoil
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 1188	Posted - 2013.09.14 17:05:00 - [6] - Quote DoomLead wrote: or the skill needed for the MD. lol But yea I semi agree
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 324	Posted - 2013.09.14 17:08:00 - [7] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: The AR is OP. It has been for a while. It's killing Dust. The main problem a that so many people use it that there's always some jackass that comes to the forums to white Knight about the AR not really being OP. These people care more about maintaining their advantage than perpetuating the game. The AR has been OP for a very long time in game. This is why it is so overused. The AA had only exacerbated the issue. If you aren't for a nerf to AR you don't support Dust. If you aren't for a reduction to hitscan mechanics you don't support Dust. If you aren't for a nerf to AA you don't support Dust. Hail king AR. Go AR or go home. Hail AR 514. Aim assist is fine, and hit scans are fine because were in the future so bullets travel much faster
STABBEY Black Phoenix Mercenaries 456	Posted - 2013.09.14 17:41:00 - [8] - Quote The AR is not OP lol... The scrambler rifle is the new FoTM. Caldari Assault AR vs. ANY assault SR= Raped by SR. If you think otherwise go play a few games and get back to me. Scrambler rifles > Everything else.
Green Living 0uter.Heaven 849	Posted - 2013.09.14 17:44:00 - [9] - Quote STABBEY wrote: The AR is not OP lol... The scrambler rifle is the new FoTM. Caldari Assault AR vs. ANY assault SR= Raped by SR. If you think otherwise go play a few games and get back to me. Scrambler rifles > Everything else. Obvious AR user.
Skipper Jones Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 740	Posted - 2013.09.14 17:54:00 - [10] - Quote Green Living wrote: STABBEY wrote: The AR is not OP lol... The scrambler rifle is the new FoTM. Caldari Assault AR vs. ANY assault SR= Raped by SR. If you think otherwise go play a few games and get back to me. Scrambler rifles > Everything else. Obvious AR user. Lol true. I use the SR/AScR more than anything else. Somebody is mad that their little Caldari suit isn't shiny anymore

STABBEY Black Phoenix Mercenaries 456	Posted - 2013.09.14 18:01:00 - [11] - Quote Green Living wrote: STABBEY wrote: The AR is not OP lol... The scrambler rifle is the new FoTM. Caldari Assault AR vs. ANY assault SR= Raped by SR. If you think otherwise go play a few games and get back to me. Scrambler rifles > Everything else. Obvious AR user. Yep I've used the AR since closed beta, its the weapon I have used in every FPS I've played. Its the weapon I like. Fully skilled into it. The scrambler rifle is becoming the dominant weapon, the TAC version will kill you in 2-3 hits. I have 19mill SP and am fully skilled into my class/role and even I get smacked by the SR's these days I can only imagine how the noobs feel. So I can say from experiance the AR is not OP, they gave them a silent nerf. The better the AR you use, the more kick/dispersion it has. The BPO AR is more accurate than a Duvole. The better the weapon, the less accurate it gets at this point in time. Edit: Skipper you are a child, and a noob at that so shush while the adults talk K? k. Posts from little boy= Hidden.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 980	Posted - 2013.09.14 18:02:00 - [12] - Quote Once aim assist is tweaked, it will get a little weaker. Also, they need to remove the "feathering" the trigger exploit.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws 1033	Posted - 2013.09.14 18:04:00 - [13] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Once aim assist is tweaked, it will get a little weaker. Also, they need to remove the "feathering" the trigger exploit. I doubt you'll be getting rid of tap/burst fire as it's in almost every FPS
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 299	Posted - 2013.09.14 18:09:00 - [14] - Quote It seemed to gain range in 1.4 too. Hits from a distant AR that previous to 1.4 I would snicker at as they did a couple points damage now all of a sudden at long range regular ARs (i.e. neither burst or tac) are shredding shields when you can't even really see your attacker they are so far away. I think that ARs need a range decrease and should have the same sort of kick the assault scrambler rifle does
Skyhound Solbrave Rough Riders.. 239	Posted - 2013.09.14 18:11:00 - [15] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Once aim assist is tweaked, it will get a little weaker. Also, they need to remove the "feathering" the trigger exploit. Do you mean burst fire? That's not an exploit, that's a legitimate method of firing. I haven't used that AR since the ScR came out, but I feel like it has three issues: damage is too high for both shields and armor, next to no recoil/dispersion, and it has a lot of range. Aside from AA being tweaked slightly, I feel like CCP should try to fix ONE of these problems.
Skipper Jones Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 741	Posted - 2013.09.14 18:29:00 - [16] - Quote STABBEY wrote: Edit: Skipper you are a child, and a noob at that so shush while the adults talk K? k. Posts from little boy= Hidden. Do you feel better saying that? Sounding very mature there.
Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC Public Disorder. 449	Posted - 2013.09.14 19:36:00 - [17] - Quote STABBEY wrote: The AR is not OP lol... The scrambler rifle is the new FoTM. Caldari Assault AR vs. ANY assault SR= Raped by SR. If you think otherwise go play a few games and get back to me. Scrambler rifles > Everything else. LOLOLOL
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4155	Posted - 2013.09.14 19:39:00 - [18] - Quote What you're seeing now is basically a comeback from all the people who specced into the Tactical Assault Rifles back during the early parts of Dust when TARs use to be the OP flavor of the month before their clip size and rate of fire were nerfed.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 242	Posted - 2013.09.14 19:47:00 - [19] - Quote AR is OP, slightly over 450 damage a second at prototype level. Thats more damage per second then a plasma cannon, or forgegun which are both AV weapons. Give it a effective range of 20 - 30 meters with drastic falloff of damage at 35m. Going by EVE lore, blasters (which the GAR are) are the shortest range weapons, but not in Dust which is the same universe. Also, give small blaster turrets better damage and range because the proto varient is comparible to the ADV smg
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 495	Posted - 2013.09.14 19:54:00 - [20] - Quote It's op because it can kill at long distance on full autofire - no dispersion that's meaningful, no barrel wonder that's worth talking about, and DPS out of the wazoo with a huge clip. Nerf either one of those parameters in small ways and you will eventually rein in AR. Right now in pub games all you see in kill feed are AR kills. I imagine it's similar in PC with occasional Nade, tank or FG kill. Also, ppl put their eggs in AR basket because all other weapons get nerf with remarkable consistency - if not directly, indirectly when CCP desides to drop a bomb and completely rework certain mechanics of the game - like giving aimbot or introducint a new patch that messes up hit detection on SG and MD.

Skipper Jones Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 745	Posted - 2013.09.14 19:56:00 - [21] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: AR is OP, slightly over 450 damage a second at prototype level. Thats more damage per second then a plasma cannon, or forgegun which are both AV weapons. Give it a effective range of 20 - 30 meters with drastic falloff of damage at 35m. Going by EVE lore, blasters (which the GAR are) are the shortest range weapons, but not in Dust which is the same universe. Also, give small blaster turrets better damage and range because the proto varient is comparible to the ADV smg You do realize that you have to charge the FG, the charge takes more than a second...
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 980	Posted - 2013.09.14 21:03:00 - [22] - Quote Skyhound Solbrave wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Once aim assist is tweaked, it will get a little weaker. Also, they need to remove the "feathering" the trigger exploit. Do you mean burst fire? That's not an exploit, that's a legitimate method of firing. I haven't used that AR since the ScR came out, but I feel like it has three issues: damage is too high for both shields and armor, next to no recoil/dispersion, and it has a lot of range. Aside from AA being tweaked slightly, I feel like CCP should try to fix ONE of these problems. no, I mean when you "feather" R1 so the gun will continuously fire with no recoil.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1667	Posted - 2013.09.14 21:06:00 - [23] - Quote These people crying about the AR will cry even harder about the combat rifle. It will be glorious.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 969	Posted - 2013.09.14 21:06:00 - [24] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: The AR is OP. It has been for a while. It's killing Dust. The main problem a that so many people use it that there's always some jackass that comes to the forums to white Knight about the AR not really being OP. These people care more about maintaining their advantage than perpetuating the game. The AR has been OP for a very long time in game. This is why it is so overused. The AA had only exacerbated the issue. If you aren't for a nerf to AR you don't support Dust. If you aren't for a reduction to hitscan mechanics you don't support Dust. If you aren't for a nerf to AA you don't support Dust. Hail king AR. Go AR or go home. Hail AR 514. im an SR specialist and from my perspective the AR may need a slight tweak in damage possibly. HOWEVER. That would only be fair if all the other light weapons were in the game already, which there not. So until those are added, nothing can really be done about the AR because it is pretty much balanced...... well...... pretty much anyway.
semperfi1999 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 929	Posted - 2013.09.14 21:10:00 - [25] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: The AR is OP. It has been for a while. It's killing Dust. The main problem a that so many people use it that there's always some jackass that comes to the forums to white Knight about the AR not really being OP. These people care more about maintaining their advantage than perpetuating the game. The AR has been OP for a very long time in game. This is why it is so overused. The AA had only exacerbated the issue. If you aren't for a nerf to AR you don't support Dust. If you aren't for a reduction to hitscan mechanics you don't support Dust. If you aren't for a nerf to AA you don't support Dust. Hail king AR. Go AR or go home. Hail AR 514. Oh look its the guy who claims to be a scientist but doesnt know the first thing about how to properly gather and interpret data. Hows it been? Still on the AR is OP thing eh? Honestly right now the only thing thats OP is the AA. If the AA isnt toned down then I think all weapons that use AA should get a slight nerf.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 900	Posted - 2013.09.14 21:13:00 - [26] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Buster Friently wrote: The AR is OP. It has been for a while. It's killing Dust. The main problem a that so many people use it that there's always some jackass that comes to the forums to white Knight about the AR not really being OP. These people care more about maintaining their advantage than perpetuating the game. The AR has been OP for a very long time in game. This is why it is so overused. The AA had only exacerbated the issue. If you aren't for a nerf to AR you don't support Dust. If you aren't for a reduction to hitscan mechanics you don't support Dust. If you aren't for a nerf to AA you don't support Dust. Hail king AR. Go AR or go home. Hail AR 514. Oh look its the guy who claims to be a scientist but doesnt know the first thing about how to properly gather and interpret data. Hows it been? Still on the AR is OP thing eh? Honestly right now the only thing thats OP is the AA. If the AA isnt toned down then I think all weapons that use AA should get a slight nerf. lol..you played the last few days? still think AA is OP?...didn't notice CCP ninja nerfed it? whats your excuse for being bad now?
semperfi1999 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 929	Posted - 2013.09.14 21:22:00 - [27] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Buster Friently wrote: The AR is OP. It has been for a while. It's killing Dust. The main problem a that so many people use it that there's always some jackass that comes to the forums to white Knight about the AR not really being OP. These people care more about maintaining their advantage than perpetuating the game. The AR has been OP for a very long time in game. This is why it is so overused. The AA had only exacerbated the issue. If you aren't for a nerf to AR you don't support Dust. If you aren't for a reduction to hitscan mechanics you don't support Dust. If you aren't for a nerf to AA you don't support Dust. Hail king AR. Go AR or go home. Hail AR 514. Oh look its the guy who claims to be a scientist but doesnt know the first thing about how to properly gather and interpret data. Hows it been? Still on the AR is OP thing eh? Honestly right now the only thing thats OP is the AA. If the AA isnt toned down then I think all weapons that use AA should get a slight nerf. lol..you played the last few days? still think AA is OP?...didn't notice CCP ninja nerfed it? whats your excuse for being bad now? Nope didnt play yesterday or the day before. So no if they did ninja nerf it I had not paid very close attention. Although I LOL at your attempt to act like I am a bad player. Bring it with your what 1.5 KDR (I might be giving you too much credit there). If CCP really did change the AA and tone it down then I will have to check it out further before I make any other statement regarding the need for weapons that utilize AA to be toned down.
Athena Sentinel Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 20	Posted - 2013.09.14 21:26:00 - [28] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: white Knight about the AR... Go AR or go home. Hail AR 514. Ya the AR is not OP its that more SP is dumbed into it. You cannot sit there with level 3 in scrambles rifles and expect to be doing the damage a level 5 AR skilled person is. The AR is over used because there is no other way to spec into other options without wasting SP. If you think the AR is OP then why not just use it and shut up? I do not see the AR being op, I see players lacking the skills and SP to use the other weapons effectively. The ones using Laser Rifles and Scramblers correctly are not QQing about it.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3212	Posted - 2013.09.14 21:30:00 - [29] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Right now in pub games all you see in kill feed are AR kills. I imagine it's similar in PC with occasional Nade, tank or FG kill. In PC, what you mostly see is mass driver spam, grenade spam, and forge gun spam, mixed with the FotM.
semperfi1999 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 929	Posted - 2013.09.14 21:30:00 - [30] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Buster Friently wrote: white Knight about the AR... Go AR or go home. Hail AR 514. Ya the AR is not OP its that more SP is dumbed into it. You cannot sit there with level 3 in scrambles rifles and expect to be doing the damage a level 5 AR skilled person is. The AR is over used because there is no other way to spec into other options without wasting SP. If you think the AR is OP then why not just use it and shut up? I do not see the AR being op, I see players lacking the skills and SP to use the other weapons effectively. The ones using Laser Rifles and Scramblers correctly are not QQing about it. Actually its more of a thing where...the majority of newer players spend months using the AR only because its one of the few militia weapons available. It also comes free on the standard builds so as a result people are used to using this weapon and since SP is such a tight commodity for newer players they dont spec into something different just to "try it out". Once you have players that are over 10 mill then you will start to see a few more of those players branching out into different weapons. I know that I decided to go a little into SMG (which I have never used until recently).



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