KB/M in Dust are based on joystick emulation. Where's your god now?

I've never seen a one man protostomp. It's usually an organized corp or a bunch of newberries on the opposing end. Some times it's not even from proto but a bunch fo dren suits and toxin ARs.

I don't know what that means

I don't see how. My argument is that coding for two different control styles is almost impossible, and yet CCP ignored that when they allowed KB/M to be supported in DUST 514. And that was a mistake. I fail to see how what the KB/M is based off of affects my point, because there will always be imbalance between the two and unsatisfied people as a result.

are there any official statements on how they changed the AA?

Not-a-one

You are right about that, but thats more off a problem from the matchmaking.
All I'm saying is that AA helped balancing stuff and for me it had more ups than downs.
just frustrated to see it nerfed again because of massive qq.

and no I'm not bad at aiming I just liked the strategic feel, now where back to run'n gun most of the times.

AA is meant to be a balancing mechanic for cross input play. Nothing more and nothing less.

Then why all console shooters have aim assist?

Halo, Borderlands, Battlefield, Call of Duty (crazy aim assist on CoD), they all have noticeable Aim Assist and the list goes on... Aim Assist is meant to keep aiming smooth and to balance the physical accuracy limits of the thumbsticks. Not balancing cross input.

I'm stunned everytime someone says there is no place in aim assist in console competitive FPS or they refer to aim assist as to something "revolutionary". Have you guys ever played ANY other console shooter?

However, it's full of Mass Drivers out there now. Cosgar, what are you waiting for? Reinstall the damn game and join us for some explosion!

I've never seen a one man protostomp. It's usually an organized corp or a bunch of newberries on the opposing end. Some times it's not even from proto but a bunch fo dren suits and toxin ARs.

I love when people say this without knowing the facts about the kind of aim assist that "all" console games have.

A lot of console games have the same kind of aim assist that DUST has when aim assist is turned off. Yes, that's right. When aim assist is turned off, WE STILL HAVE AIM ASSIST. CCP call it "aim friction", and it's a passive aim assist that makes precision aim easier by slowing your turn rate as you start to aim away from a target. You can't turn that off in DUST, and it's common in most console shooters, many of which have it as the ONLY form of aim assist.

The aim assist people have complained about is the active aim assist, which takes control of the player's aim to a greater degree than similar systems in most other shooters (although I haven't tried since the patch that supposedly toned this effect down).

No.

You're right about aim friction, but you're so damn wrong about the other games having only aim friction.

The aim assist in other games is generally stronger than the "aimbot" we had during the last week.

Just one example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaom3cdZv1c Look at the "aim friction". LOL.

Did you ever play one of these games your talking about?

Fixed for you.

qft

"A spoon feeding, hand holding, skill gap diminishing design choice is present on all those other shooters, therefore it should be present on this shooter too because I don't want to learn how to aim!"

Nope. Bad argument.

Also, there's plenty of top DS3 players who turn auto aim off to vouch for the viability of joystick controls WITHOUT AA. If AA were to be removed from all those console shooters, you'd just see the same thing that happens on PC shooters: a bigger gap in kills between the good players and bad players.

Also, chances are high that this game won't remain a console shooter, so your dogmatic argument has less than zero weight.

You guys didn't even realize that aim assist has been drastically reduced during the last hotfix, right?

Now aiming sucks just like before 1.4. And this thanks to you QQers.

I hope you enjoy it for all of us who liked the previous aim assist.

Now you can go back and play your "skilled FPS", which is the only FPS you can play, because you rely on your 1000 eHP and people's inability to aim because of the sloppy mechanics.

And to those who said that aim assist makes the AR overpowered, guess what? The automatic AR is still a beast even after the aim assist nerf. Who would have thought!?
The overall aim assist decrease actually damaged the other weapons, not the AR. The AR will always win, with or without aim assist.

I think I see your point.

If an equally skilled proto and militia user fought each other without Aim Assist, the proto would win due to an equipment advantage.

If the same two people fought each other with Aim Assist the proto... would still win due to an equipment advantage?

I'm confused again.

"A spoon feeding, hand holding, skill gap diminishing design choice is present on all those other shooters, therefore it should be present on this shooter too because I don't want to learn how to aim!"

Nope. Bad argument.

Also, there's plenty of top DS3 players who turn auto aim off to vouch for the viability of joystick controls WITHOUT AA. If AA were to be removed from all those console shooters, you'd just see the same thing that happens on PC shooters: a bigger gap in kills between the good players and bad players.

Also, chances are high that this game won't remain a console shooter, so your dogmatic argument has less than zero weight.

Sorry, but imo that's a bad argument. I'm not complaining about auto aim not being implemented, my main concern is kb/m support being there. As soon as you use such an OP device you'll need to balance it. They thought it was good to implement AA, and it worked from a certain perspective: kb/m vs ds3 was finally balanced. But still they "ruined" somehow ds3 vs ds3. That's why there are 2 choices: remove kb/m support and let people use the same settings ds3 has (so you'll finally feel our pain) with a ps3 supported mouse and keyboards (like a mouse called fragfx), or balance the two devices somehow. But up to now, things are not fair, that's it and everyone with even just a little common sense would tell you that.

PS4 is fully KB/M supported.... People already use

http://www.penguinunitedstore.com/products/Eagle-Eye-Converter-for-Playstation-3.html

so its not like it really changes much having the kb/m supported. Its nice of CCP to allow someone to use their preferred peripheral on a game without having to go out and spend 60 bux though.

One day we wont need a physical control device to play our games it will just be our hands or a virtual device.... and it will really be down to your imagination on what control input you use.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXiImb5BzGE

Aim assist has no place in a competitive FPS, let alone one that's destined to have an impact on the high-stakes world of Eve.

Aim your damned selves.