console limitations -__-

we have the best fps games

console limitations -__-

we have the best fps games

As long as you don't count CoD

well as far as epic battles go I ment MAG

well as far as epic battles go I ment MAG

inb4lock

Sadly, no new content. How long are people expected to play on the same old maps? How long are people expected to use the same old guns, the same old suits?

I admit I've played more pub games in DUST over the past 2 weeks than I've played in the past 2 months combined. Due to them "fixing" aiming, I have fun running about like Rambo with my Duvolle. But even that is boring at this point.

New maps are meh. Good design for a bigger player count, boring for the current one. Those new maps are a ghost town, and if you don't have a dropship pilot taxi'ing you to your next objective, it's a job to play those maps.

inb4lock

Sadly, no new content. How long are people expected to play on the same old maps? How long are people expected to use the same old guns, the same old suits?

I admit I've played more pub games in DUST over the past 2 weeks than I've played in the past 2 months combined. Due to them "fixing" aiming, I have fun running about like Rambo with my Duvolle. But even that is boring at this point.

New maps are meh. Good design for a bigger player count, boring for the current one. Those new maps are a ghost town, and if you don't have a dropship pilot taxi'ing you to your next objective, it's a job to play those maps.

really is I think they think this is mag where atleast 64 vs 64 is going on


(mag had max 256 at one time 128 vs 128)

these maps with more people would be epic

Does not mean there were 256 player on the same battlefield

Does not mean there were 256 player on the same battlefield

Damn that daily login bonus really did it.
And by did it I mean, wasting more dev time on important things.

I thought you'd be the magical patch.
Maybe 1.5, 1.6 or even 1.7 could be it.

Don't give up hope, guys!
It's never too late pulling the whole thing and redo it (Square Enix showed you how).
Of course that would mean you lose money, so I guess we're out of luck.
CCP just doesn't have the balls, HTFU.

I'll give you a tip CCP.
It is 2013 and people expect 2013 FPS mechanics. /shocker
At least you got more beta testers for this version than most games get.
Looking forward to the PC version of Dust 514, bigger & better scale - without console limitations.
It'll be fantastic. We just don't know when (roughly 10 years if EVE is a decent estimate).

Just wait until they appeal to all these uneducated whiners who don't listen to logic, math or reason and nerf the hell out of the Assault Rifle.

That'll the day I'm for real 100% done with this game... and I've been threatening it for a while...

Were are u getting this magic number from cuz the monthly numbers have not changed all that much

Lol the nerf to AR would be the only reason I would ever be interested in running infantry in this game.

who the **** are you to complain about a game they let you play for free?

FREE.

Go mow a lawn and play ffxiv if you like SE so much.

its september, kids have to go to school again and do homework.

Do you actually believe that PC players would outnumber console players?
Do you think it would survive without being subscription based?
Who would find this game worthy of subscription in the next 5 years?

I gave CCP their due amount of **** after Uprising.
They seem to have gotten on the right path as of late, but if you're expecting a single be-all, fix-all it isn't going to happen. Ever. Not in a game, not in life.

You don't have to have been playing shooters since Wulfenstein to know that AAA FPS mechanics are not just shat out at a moment's notice. But, apparently it helps.
Every current "major" FPS had 2 or 3 fairly bad releases before "OMG, CoD MW2 is soooo kewl..." and when they went to PvP it only got worse.

But hell, who knows... maybe your thread will carry enough weight to make CCP see the error of their obviously derailed ways and force them to reevaluate Dust as a whole. I hope they have the mental fortitude for your in-depth scathing review, as I am sure it will be brought to the attention of every one of the Developers in a company-wide memo. I hope nobody loses their job because you just exposed the cold, hard truth and backed it up with evidence that proves that you're an actual know-it-all and probably would have made a better game if your official job as a trusted, professional critic didn't occupy all of your time. Grandma would be so proud of you, little tiger.

He's right, they've just been steadily declining ever since Uprising. Not much has changed.

We just got a whole new socket set and three new maps... What the hell are you smoking dude?

There's no such thing as school, or anyone younger than 18 playing games online.

There is only the game failing. That is the only possible explanation of anything.

~3000

Just wait until they appeal to all these uneducated whiners who don't listen to logic, math or reason and nerf the hell out of the Assault Rifle.

That'll the day I'm for real 100% done with this game... and I've been threatening it for a while...

Do you actually believe that PC players would outnumber console players?
Do you think it would survive without being subscription based?
Who would find this game worthy of subscription in the next 5 years?

I gave CCP their due amount of **** after Uprising.
They seem to have gotten on the right path as of late, but if you're expecting a single be-all, fix-all it isn't going to happen. Ever. Not in a game, not in life.

You don't have to have been playing shooters since Wulfenstein to know that AAA FPS mechanics are not just shat out at a moment's notice. But, apparently it helps.
Every current "major" FPS had 2 or 3 fairly bad releases before "OMG, CoD MW2 is soooo kewl..." and when they went to PvP it only got worse.

But hell, who knows... maybe your thread will carry enough weight to make CCP see the error of their obviously derailed ways and force them to reevaluate Dust as a whole. I hope they have the mental fortitude for your in-depth scathing review, as I am sure it will be brought to the attention of every one of the Developers in a company-wide memo. I hope nobody loses their job because you just exposed the cold, hard truth and backed it up with evidence that proves that you're an actual know-it-all and probably would have made a better game if your official job as a trusted, professional critic didn't occupy all of your time. Grandma would be so proud of you, little tiger.

didn't i mention the new maps or is your english not good enough?

Wait.... I think you're cconfused. The only ones who have shown any real math, logic, and reason are the people arguing for the nerf.

Want me to quote some of their attempts at math?

Do you actually believe that PC players would outnumber console players?
Do you think it would survive without being subscription based?
Who would find this game worthy of subscription in the next 5 years?

I gave CCP their due amount of **** after Uprising.
They seem to have gotten on the right path as of late, but if you're expecting a single be-all, fix-all it isn't going to happen. Ever. Not in a game, not in life.

You don't have to have been playing shooters since Wulfenstein to know that AAA FPS mechanics are not just shat out at a moment's notice. But, apparently it helps.
Every current "major" FPS had 2 or 3 fairly bad releases before "OMG, CoD MW2 is soooo kewl..." and when they went to PvP it only got worse.

But hell, who knows... maybe your thread will carry enough weight to make CCP see the error of their obviously derailed ways and force them to reevaluate Dust as a whole. I hope they have the mental fortitude for your in-depth scathing review, as I am sure it will be brought to the attention of every one of the Developers in a company-wide memo. I hope nobody loses their job because you just exposed the cold, hard truth and backed it up with evidence that proves that you're an actual know-it-all and probably would have made a better game if your official job as a trusted, professional critic didn't occupy all of your time. Grandma would be so proud of you, little tiger.

Nyeeeeh look at you being all hard

Sorry bub, I didn't read past you're first sentence which I've politely underlined for you to give prominent display as to how much I don't care that you contradicted yourself some several sentences later. Learn to format.



Should check out some of my threads and posts. I school a few people here and there.

The Mythical AR Recoil/Dispersion:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=109790
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=109861

Schooling 'D Legendary Hero' on basic matter-maticsh.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1295740#post1295740

Opinion Piece:

Lets see this weeks dip started on the 10th

Possible External factors cites KH 1.5, killzone Mercenary, NHL 14, Pro Evo Soccer 20134 demo, Puppeteer, & Sanctum 2.
Possible Internal factors End of Caldari Boot Camp Event.
Notables of the week: Weird down spikes throughout the day, modulation changes, reverse frequency climb and decline.

As the week progresses the numbers slowly climb back up, this is a bit untraditional as usually the day after cap reset are the heaviest in general. This would mean that external factors are likely a possible cause and that players are have slowly consumed the content they bought, or reshuffling their time over to make room fro the new games and Dust 514. There is also still the major game release of Diablo III the week before which likely was a major factor of the dip BEFORE the patch hit. There is a projected temporary loss with more upcoming games in the near future however some of those losses will compound each other if the game starts being perceived as being too underpopulated. This is what is and now currently killing Hawken, an MMO that by any standards should have been a smashing success but for unknown factors is flopping and shutdown of the game is looming ahead as their development team is dismissed.

1.4's initial reaction was not well received due to the large amount of changes to the current content and some players are refusing to adapt. While this may disenfranchise older players this is likely to have a stronger impact of newer players coming into the game who were never familiar with how things were. Known industry facts that attempts to retain veterans is generally a futile and near fruitless endeavor in by cost per hour per player retained is factorially too high especially in traditional MMOs which have content that is clearly labeled "End Game."

However Dust 514 is untraditional in MMO terms as there is no endgame content and under most known models our veterans look after themselves mostly and there is truly no specific way to retain just them. Which is why any improvement to the game aimed at new player retention benefits the veterans as well in the long run as they're presented with more targets and better features to apply themselves onto those said targets.

CCP knows their own numbers better than anyone outside the company has access to. For example we have no idea how many unique players log on every day. However since CCP does know it would be an awful mistake to believe they're ignoring those numbers. Throughout the MMO world there is a not well known standard known as the 1 day, 7 day, and 30 day retention rates. Every mmo team that is aware of this concept tries different ways in tackling this problem.

The more recent amount of failed MMOs have awesome 1 day (tutorial more epic than endgame) retention or great 7 day retention (ran out of content, players managed to burn end game in a week) which in the end destroys the 30 day retention number to being abysmal.

While Dust 514's team is aware of it, admittedly they know their numbers are not great and are attacking it on multiple fronts. For example NPE battle academy changes are most likely based on graduation numbers which factors into the 1 day and 7 day models. If players aren't even graduating they're not experiencing most of what the game has to offer so changes to the Battle Academy started. I have said it before opinions of veterans have no impact on these because they cannot simply speak for those who just throw the controllers down and never picked up Dust 514 again. While I would love to state actual numbers for the results of the Battle Academy changes so far NDA forbids me from doing so. CCP will continue to change up the BA until a sweet spot is obtained as it is something that can be easily done until other features ship such as possibly a proper tutorial environment or the likes.

Addressing the 7 Day and 30 Day fights are entirely different though, mostly reliant on content, context, social, and number of other improvements.

Bottom line, CCP most likely has a graph nerd, he has access to more numbers than eve-offline can ever share, and I am also sure it is his job to find out why numbers are going awry and he's fluent in market speak which is a scary type of english language and a bit alien at times and I am sure the big boys in charge are getting earfuls as to why and making the pushes in the direction needed in order to fix. This has not only been an going process for a while but its akin to a train, only so much can be done a month and to derail the process now will definitely cause a wreck and in order to reverse a change may require a new train to be loaded up instead. Overall the players are not yet comfortable with 1.4 yet, I am beginning to record a third shift in behavior but I haven't seen enough fielding of said fit to verify if its a new behavior shift.

CCP just doesn't have the balls. HTFU.

As long as you don't count CoD

its september, kids have to go to school again and do homework.

its september, kids have to go to school again and do homework.

Its the holidays so everyone has gone away, its not the holidays everyone is busy with work and school, its the weekend, people are out shopping, its weekdays people are working late, its early morning people are at the gym ... amirite?

Why are you comparing DUST to an MMO? 16v16 is not massive...

DUST is a lobby shooter with SOME elements of RPG in there.

Maybe 4-5 years from now when player count goes up and this game ends up on PS4 you can add the MMO title to it.

yep. there were.

Question any closed beta vet still around happy with dust? I would ask ingame but they don't log in anymore

its september, kids have to go to school again and do homework.

I'm still here and capping out each week.

It's a slow process, but I've been in IT for thirty years and I know development isn't nearly as fast paced as you would like. It's unfinished and still what most our consider beta, but it's got potential.

Question any closed beta vet still around happy with dust? I would ask ingame but they don't log in anymore

CCP just doesn't have the balls, HTFU.

+1 IWS. That was a good summary article. It's sad to see Hawken struggling like that, imo their devs produced a solid mech shooter right out of the gate - one wonders what it could have developed into if they had the time to grow and refine it.

DUST, like other online multiplayers, is seeing the effects of multiple big releases and the start of the school year. Our numbers should be a lot lower, tbh.

My interpretation of this is that two factors are at play: new player retention has improved owing mainly to the revamped/refined shooter mechanics, and DUST, flawed as it is, has more staying power than traditional mmos.

Regarding the NPE, i'm finding it hard to gauge the effects of the academy, even at an intuitive level.

And as far as match making goes, my purely subjective impression is that when online population goes above ~4000 peeps matches start to get more balanced and more fun. Below ~3300 it 'feels' like the matchmaker is struggling. I'm joining matches solo and the matchmaker most likely identifies me as an average player - peeps on the far ends of the spectrum or squads are prolly having a rougher time of it.

who the **** are you to complain about a game they let you play for free?

FREE.

Go mow a lawn and play ffxiv if you like SE so much.

its september, kids have to go to school again and do homework.

Allot lower? lol

You think 3k is high? You're talking about a game that reached a record of 9k people online at 1 time, to having 3k-3500 now. Blame it on new games coming out. The reality is, DUST is dying. This isn't even doom and gloom cuz when the PS4 lands, that's it. What would the excuse be then when 2k people are online? Or maybe 1k?

CCP disappointed allot of people over the past few months. This last announcement of 1.5 content being pushed to 1.6 is the final nail in the coffin. They bringing in new content the same time PS4 coming out? This a joke? People gonna care about DUST when they have spanking new next gen games to play? lol

I guess there will be a few diehard fans staying. Good luck with that.

I would personally be playing KZ, BF4, PS2, and every other launch day game I can afford by then.

This is silly understanding... Most people during Summer vacation aren't even home to play video games... When school and work roll's around, then you get a consistent playerbase logging on in the routine of life.. almost everyday for their daily recreation.

Dust hasn't focused on player retention... they have focused on new player's experience... and core game mechanics... There really should be no surprise that a mass exodus occurred of players who have been here for a while. Choices and actions...

And the record of over 9k players was 4 days after game launch, player count's didn't even start till it's official release. Beta had numbers far exceeding that.

Hit the nail on the head. We wouldn't have the issues we have now if they didn't outright throw NPE out the window, spent more time in beta, (or people STFU about merc packs) and player feedback was taken into account on crucial game mechanics. (CaLogi suit, anyone?) I'm not saying the game is dying, but we'd probably have a much larger player base, not to mention more positive reviews. Still, CCP is doing a better job with this game than Capcom is doing with their company. Guess which one will survive past the next fiscal year?

Problem is its too little to late once a game gets a bad rep it's done for what I see here is a company not used to having a game fail nothing wrong with going we gone goofed if u leared from it and can relaunch a fresh a product

100% agreed, but to be fair whoever is setting direction for Shanghai now has inherited the sins of the past. I'm impressed with the direction that has been set since 1.3, focusing on core mechanics and NPE, followed by vehicles, corp tools, squad tools, comms tools - it's exactly the order i would have chosen.

I and many other have been hammering at CCP for more than a year to get the core mechanics in order, and that is finally starting to happen. The tragedy is it took the game tanking on release before CCP started to listen.

But core mechanics is the foundational component of the NPE, so i'm seeing it as a big positive notwithstanding the fact that it's long overdue.

CCP has proven this wrong through EVE and some adversity in DUST probably won't sway them.

EVE for its first 5 years was considered an open beta by every MMORPG review or website. Because of non stop expansions and massive patches every few weeks and months.

CCP in general was just a small office of 20 people in Iceland.. and now is growing to be one of the biggest grass route developers...

Their choices and ignoring people who told them exactly this was gonna happen was aggravating because it was the consensus and they did it anyway.

Through CCP's track record of EVE shaking bad review's have been their specialty... It has put most developers bankrupt, but CCP seems to buck that trend.

I basically tl;dr'd this whole thread. Though I had to comment on OP's comment about "Square Enix showed you how".

Squeenix is doing the EXACT same thing that CCP is doing with Dust. Seriously, all of their forums have the SAME bullshit doom and gloom threads that these forums do.

It's ridiculously easy to get to the level cap and there is very little endgame content in FFXIV. It's a huge problem in that game, it doesn't even have PVP yet. lmao

So if anything, Squeenix is taking a page out of CCP's book. The "fanboys" in that game also pull the "this game has a 10 year plan and I have hope" card.

Though surprisingly, the most prominent members on those forums AREN'T trolls. I guess it's the RPG mentality over FPS.

Why are you comparing DUST to an MMO? 16v16 is not massive...

DUST is a lobby shooter with SOME elements of RPG in there.

Maybe 4-5 years from now when player count goes up and this game ends up on PS4 you can add the MMO title to it.

Sad when more people beta tested the game than there are people currently playing the "launched" version.

CCP has proven this wrong through EVE and some adversity in DUST probably won't sway them.

EVE for its first 5 years was considered an open beta by every MMORPG review or website. Because of non stop expansions and massive patches every few weeks and months.

CCP in general was just a small office of 20 people in Iceland.. and now is growing to be one of the biggest grass route developers...

Their choices and ignoring people who told them exactly this was gonna happen was aggravating because it was the consensus and they did it anyway.

Through CCP's track record of EVE shaking bad review's have been their specialty... It has put most developers bankrupt, but CCP seems to buck that trend.

I'll give you a tip CCP.
It is 2013 and people expect 2013 FPS mechanics. /shocker
At least you got more beta testers for this version than most games get.
Looking forward to the PC version of Dust 514, bigger & better scale - without console limitations.
It'll be fantastic. We just don't know when (roughly 10 years if EVE is a decent estimate).

Damn that daily login bonus really did it.
And by did it I mean, wasting more dev time on important things.

I thought you'd be the magical patch.
Maybe 1.5, 1.6 or even 1.7 could be it.

Don't give up hope, guys!
It's never too late pulling the whole thing and redo it (Square Enix showed you how).
Of course that would mean you lose money, so I guess we're out of luck.
CCP just doesn't have the balls, HTFU.

I'll give you a tip CCP.
It is 2013 and people expect 2013 FPS mechanics. /shocker
At least you got more beta testers for this version than most games get.
Looking forward to the PC version of Dust 514, bigger & better scale - without console limitations.
It'll be fantastic. We just don't know when (roughly 10 years if EVE is a decent estimate).

I am not going to chime in on whether this game is or is not, in fact, in its death throes. However, I am 25 and I haven't been able to play as much as I would have liked since 1.4 arrived because I am in graduate school. Some people do pursue a post-graduate education. As a matter of fact, it's pretty standard to be in your mid thirties when you complete a PhD. I know it may come as a shock to you, but some of us do have lives which take us away from our hobbies at certain times. There is no SINGLE explanation for anything, causation is subject to a multitude of factors.

Question any closed beta vet still around happy with dust? I would ask ingame but they don't log in anymore

Does not mean there were 256 player on the same battlefield

who the **** are you to complain about a game they let you play for free?

FREE.

Go mow a lawn and play ffxiv if you like SE so much.

didn't i mention the new maps or is your english not good enough?

CCP disappointed allot of people over the past few months. I would personally be playing KZ, BF4, PS2, and every other launch day game I can afford by then.

Squeenix is doing the EXACT same thing that CCP is doing with Dust. Seriously, all of their forums have the SAME bullshit doom and gloom threads that these forums do.