There's no such thing as school, or anyone younger than 18 playing games online.

There is only the game failing. That is the only possible explanation of anything.

~3000

Just wait until they appeal to all these uneducated whiners who don't listen to logic, math or reason and nerf the hell out of the Assault Rifle.

That'll the day I'm for real 100% done with this game... and I've been threatening it for a while...

Do you actually believe that PC players would outnumber console players?
Do you think it would survive without being subscription based?
Who would find this game worthy of subscription in the next 5 years?

I gave CCP their due amount of **** after Uprising.
They seem to have gotten on the right path as of late, but if you're expecting a single be-all, fix-all it isn't going to happen. Ever. Not in a game, not in life.

You don't have to have been playing shooters since Wulfenstein to know that AAA FPS mechanics are not just shat out at a moment's notice. But, apparently it helps.
Every current "major" FPS had 2 or 3 fairly bad releases before "OMG, CoD MW2 is soooo kewl..." and when they went to PvP it only got worse.

But hell, who knows... maybe your thread will carry enough weight to make CCP see the error of their obviously derailed ways and force them to reevaluate Dust as a whole. I hope they have the mental fortitude for your in-depth scathing review, as I am sure it will be brought to the attention of every one of the Developers in a company-wide memo. I hope nobody loses their job because you just exposed the cold, hard truth and backed it up with evidence that proves that you're an actual know-it-all and probably would have made a better game if your official job as a trusted, professional critic didn't occupy all of your time. Grandma would be so proud of you, little tiger.

didn't i mention the new maps or is your english not good enough?

Wait.... I think you're cconfused. The only ones who have shown any real math, logic, and reason are the people arguing for the nerf.

Want me to quote some of their attempts at math?

Do you actually believe that PC players would outnumber console players?
Do you think it would survive without being subscription based?
Who would find this game worthy of subscription in the next 5 years?

I gave CCP their due amount of **** after Uprising.
They seem to have gotten on the right path as of late, but if you're expecting a single be-all, fix-all it isn't going to happen. Ever. Not in a game, not in life.

You don't have to have been playing shooters since Wulfenstein to know that AAA FPS mechanics are not just shat out at a moment's notice. But, apparently it helps.
Every current "major" FPS had 2 or 3 fairly bad releases before "OMG, CoD MW2 is soooo kewl..." and when they went to PvP it only got worse.

But hell, who knows... maybe your thread will carry enough weight to make CCP see the error of their obviously derailed ways and force them to reevaluate Dust as a whole. I hope they have the mental fortitude for your in-depth scathing review, as I am sure it will be brought to the attention of every one of the Developers in a company-wide memo. I hope nobody loses their job because you just exposed the cold, hard truth and backed it up with evidence that proves that you're an actual know-it-all and probably would have made a better game if your official job as a trusted, professional critic didn't occupy all of your time. Grandma would be so proud of you, little tiger.

Nyeeeeh look at you being all hard

Sorry bub, I didn't read past you're first sentence which I've politely underlined for you to give prominent display as to how much I don't care that you contradicted yourself some several sentences later. Learn to format.



Should check out some of my threads and posts. I school a few people here and there.

The Mythical AR Recoil/Dispersion:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=109790
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=109861

Schooling 'D Legendary Hero' on basic matter-maticsh.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1295740#post1295740

Opinion Piece:

Lets see this weeks dip started on the 10th

Possible External factors cites KH 1.5, killzone Mercenary, NHL 14, Pro Evo Soccer 20134 demo, Puppeteer, & Sanctum 2.
Possible Internal factors End of Caldari Boot Camp Event.
Notables of the week: Weird down spikes throughout the day, modulation changes, reverse frequency climb and decline.

As the week progresses the numbers slowly climb back up, this is a bit untraditional as usually the day after cap reset are the heaviest in general. This would mean that external factors are likely a possible cause and that players are have slowly consumed the content they bought, or reshuffling their time over to make room fro the new games and Dust 514. There is also still the major game release of Diablo III the week before which likely was a major factor of the dip BEFORE the patch hit. There is a projected temporary loss with more upcoming games in the near future however some of those losses will compound each other if the game starts being perceived as being too underpopulated. This is what is and now currently killing Hawken, an MMO that by any standards should have been a smashing success but for unknown factors is flopping and shutdown of the game is looming ahead as their development team is dismissed.

1.4's initial reaction was not well received due to the large amount of changes to the current content and some players are refusing to adapt. While this may disenfranchise older players this is likely to have a stronger impact of newer players coming into the game who were never familiar with how things were. Known industry facts that attempts to retain veterans is generally a futile and near fruitless endeavor in by cost per hour per player retained is factorially too high especially in traditional MMOs which have content that is clearly labeled "End Game."

However Dust 514 is untraditional in MMO terms as there is no endgame content and under most known models our veterans look after themselves mostly and there is truly no specific way to retain just them. Which is why any improvement to the game aimed at new player retention benefits the veterans as well in the long run as they're presented with more targets and better features to apply themselves onto those said targets.

CCP knows their own numbers better than anyone outside the company has access to. For example we have no idea how many unique players log on every day. However since CCP does know it would be an awful mistake to believe they're ignoring those numbers. Throughout the MMO world there is a not well known standard known as the 1 day, 7 day, and 30 day retention rates. Every mmo team that is aware of this concept tries different ways in tackling this problem.

The more recent amount of failed MMOs have awesome 1 day (tutorial more epic than endgame) retention or great 7 day retention (ran out of content, players managed to burn end game in a week) which in the end destroys the 30 day retention number to being abysmal.

While Dust 514's team is aware of it, admittedly they know their numbers are not great and are attacking it on multiple fronts. For example NPE battle academy changes are most likely based on graduation numbers which factors into the 1 day and 7 day models. If players aren't even graduating they're not experiencing most of what the game has to offer so changes to the Battle Academy started. I have said it before opinions of veterans have no impact on these because they cannot simply speak for those who just throw the controllers down and never picked up Dust 514 again. While I would love to state actual numbers for the results of the Battle Academy changes so far NDA forbids me from doing so. CCP will continue to change up the BA until a sweet spot is obtained as it is something that can be easily done until other features ship such as possibly a proper tutorial environment or the likes.

Addressing the 7 Day and 30 Day fights are entirely different though, mostly reliant on content, context, social, and number of other improvements.

Bottom line, CCP most likely has a graph nerd, he has access to more numbers than eve-offline can ever share, and I am also sure it is his job to find out why numbers are going awry and he's fluent in market speak which is a scary type of english language and a bit alien at times and I am sure the big boys in charge are getting earfuls as to why and making the pushes in the direction needed in order to fix. This has not only been an going process for a while but its akin to a train, only so much can be done a month and to derail the process now will definitely cause a wreck and in order to reverse a change may require a new train to be loaded up instead. Overall the players are not yet comfortable with 1.4 yet, I am beginning to record a third shift in behavior but I haven't seen enough fielding of said fit to verify if its a new behavior shift.

CCP just doesn't have the balls. HTFU.

As long as you don't count CoD

its september, kids have to go to school again and do homework.

its september, kids have to go to school again and do homework.

Its the holidays so everyone has gone away, its not the holidays everyone is busy with work and school, its the weekend, people are out shopping, its weekdays people are working late, its early morning people are at the gym ... amirite?

Why are you comparing DUST to an MMO? 16v16 is not massive...

DUST is a lobby shooter with SOME elements of RPG in there.

Maybe 4-5 years from now when player count goes up and this game ends up on PS4 you can add the MMO title to it.

yep. there were.

Question any closed beta vet still around happy with dust? I would ask ingame but they don't log in anymore

its september, kids have to go to school again and do homework.

I'm still here and capping out each week.

It's a slow process, but I've been in IT for thirty years and I know development isn't nearly as fast paced as you would like. It's unfinished and still what most our consider beta, but it's got potential.

Question any closed beta vet still around happy with dust? I would ask ingame but they don't log in anymore