- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZi22yS92rA
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5EtYn0jILM
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLMKNpHbopw
- http://www.rahulsood.com/2010/07/console-gamers-get-killed-against-pc.html

I can still continue. If you don't believe me, maybe you'll trust them.
Dust is a ps3 f2p exclusive. Giving ds3 such a disadvantage (among with the fact that sensitivity on ds3 is so damn low) will only make ps3 players leave.

My opinion is that Keyboard and Mouse should not be allowed on a ps3 game, or at least, should be balanced (at the moment it's not).

What's your opinion?
*no rage, "git gud scrub" etc please*

Every other gaming community and genre in existence allows third party control types in competition and casual play alike. It does not matter if they are superior or inferior. The only strictly banned devices are ones that literally play the game for you with pre-programmed inputs.

Console FPS community needs to get with the times about this issue. You guys are not moving the industry forward with this draconic attitude.

You're absolutely right, but why penalizing ds3 with such a low sensitivity too? and why such a slow rotation speed? a 100/100 here is like 50/50 on MAG and 10/10 on BF3...

Every other gaming community and genre in existence allows third party control types in competition and casual play alike. It does not matter if they are superior or inferior. The only strictly banned devices are ones that literally play the game for you with pre-programmed inputs.

Console FPS community needs to get with the times about this issue. You guys are not moving the industry forward with this draconic attitude.

You people that make these vs threads are pretty ignorant to the current facts..

Dust kb/m is nothing but an emulated DS3 without aimbot...

Dust DS3 is superior in everyway due to the balanced sensitivity and built in aimbot..

Not to mention the only people I see bitching about kb/m being superior are the .20 kdr and who still can't aim using the DS3 post aimbot...

Which Third party controls do they allow though? Which gaming communities?

PS4 is fully KB/M supported.... People already use

PS3 do fully support kb/m too. You just can't use them in some games (mostly online) for obvious reasons.

People already do use them..... just costs them 60 bux in hardware... and you can even map your keys, and setup multiple key maps.... quickly changeable.

Always kind of funny in a pathetic way when you see people trying to say a mouse isnt mechanically and objectively superior to an analog stick in a FPS

Ok, then let me reformulate:
Is it fair in your opinion?
Imo, it would be "pretty fair" on BF3 where sensitivity is high and controls are responsive. What about here on Dust?

Simple fact : the leaderboards and the best players considered in this game are 95% DS3... fact.
Before any stupid aim assist. and even when raw input was given to mouse users in chromes.

While this is pretty much the case most of the time, 1.4 broke aiming down sight for the Mouse. Currently doing this makes the turn rate increase to something like 200% (instead of reducing it for accuracy). I can live with the other problems M&K has in Dust, since it somewhat balances against the advantages pad users have but the problems with ADS means we can't use a large amount of the strongest weapons in the game.

Can't really say it from the leader boards, but I tell you that a good 80% of the best players i know are kb/m users.
There must be a reason if it's a PS3 game and leader boards are ruled by kb/m users. Or at least, let's say, my personal leader board.

Right now DS3 is king because of aim assist and auto aim

They tuned it down hard, now it just worsen your aim.

I was a hardcore KB+M gamer when I was younger, and this all but destroyed my mousing wrist. I've since switched to trackballs and digitizer tablets just to be able to work through the week.

I can only game with controllers now. As long as it doesn't give them too great of an advantage, I don't care if people use KB+M to play a console game GÇö I simply can't.

They tuned it down hard, now it just worsen your aim.

Really? I just switched over to controller an hour ago and the AI and AA are extremely noticeable...

I'm fine with DS3 having aim assist. Just give me back Chromosome mouse aiming.

Pretty much called yourself out there... Its instant noticeable to anyone who does a majority of their own aiming... its literally like a toggled hack i just have to give basic input's to get result's from...

"I can barely notice AA you guys are just QQ"

"Aim assist doesn't move your aim what are you talking about?!?!"

can go on forever about the oblivious people talking about training wheel's being needed to compete in a multiplayer game where loss's have real impact on personal wealth.

Go back to your bubblegum shooter where you think that 50 bux bought into a title should give you a reason to kill someone that is just better then you, not your own ability and your fine with that.

Me personally? I want to get to the point where my personal skill can kill people in a gunfight Vs Chicagocubsforever and Regnyum and all those bastardly Djinn's.... I Don't need their skill dulled by some aim assist when i get there... i want it me vs them.... Not Me = aim assist + them + aim assist... its the stupidest concept defended by people who can't aim....

I'm fine with DS3 having aim assist. Just give me back Chromosome mouse aiming.

Mouse aiming has been wonky ever since Uprising. You got it right once before already CCP, so just go back to that.

PS4 is fully KB/M supported.... People already use

http://www.penguinunitedstore.com/products/Eagle-Eye-Converter-for-Playstation-3.html

so its not like it really changes much having the kb/m supported. Its nice of CCP to allow someone to use their preferred peripheral on a game without having to go out and spend 60 bux though.

Assuming CCP plans to give full proper functionality to kb/m, analog controllers wont even be in the same league.

Proper kb/m would mean:
-More diverse sensitivity options
-Customizable keybinds
-Removal of the gamepad emulator and allowing raw mouse input
-Better compatability with PS3
-Removal of max suit turn speed (not sure if this still exists but I imagine a kb/m user can still turn pretty fast or even spin 360 in a fraction of a second)

Game developers themselves admit that, even if they could, they would never put console users against PC users (something CCP cant figure out why yet) because it wouldnt be fair. The fact that every console shooter has an aim assist speaks volumes in itself.

This thread doesnt even ask a proper question as the answer is already clear.

My opinion is that Keyboard and Mouse should not be allowed on a ps3 game, or at least, should be balanced (at the moment it's not).

What's your opinion?
*no rage, "git gud scrub" etc please*

My opinion is that Keyboard and Mouse should not be allowed on a ps3 game, or at least, should be balanced (at the moment it's not).

What's your opinion?
*no rage, "git gud scrub" etc please*

so you used the point of view of pc gamers that they hate controllers for your argument that kbm is op???

If kb/m is so much better than DS3 then use a kb/m

Incoming "but but this is on a console, so only DS3 should be used" Whiny comment

That's cool, you can also use a controller on a computer too.

It's your fault your using the less "superior" input device

Don't bring a knife to a gun fight

The day kb/m support is gone is the day this game dies FYI

Ill bet Vin Vicious on it

You're absolutely right, but why penalizing ds3 with such a low sensitivity too? and why such a slow rotation speed? a 100/100 here is like 50/50 on MAG and 10/10 on BF3...

Wait so how is kb/m superior ever since Uprising the KB/M has blown in the sensitivity and responsiveness category ?

DS3 has aim assist still, whats all this about aim assist being gone ? I played today and AA was still sucking my cross hairs towards my targets like whoa..!

Assuming CCP plans to give full proper functionality to kb/m, analog controllers wont even be in the same league.

Proper kb/m would mean:
-More diverse sensitivity options
-Customizable keybinds
-Removal of the gamepad emulator and allowing raw mouse input
-Better compatability with PS3
-Removal of max suit turn speed (not sure if this still exists but I imagine a kb/m user can still turn pretty fast or even spin 360 in a fraction of a second)

Game developers themselves admit that, even if they could, they would never put console users against PC users (something CCP cant figure out why yet) because it wouldnt be fair. The fact that every console shooter has an aim assist speaks volumes in itself.

This thread doesnt even ask a proper question as the answer is already clear.

the grenade button on the kb/m is an awkward place

Now that DS3 has an op aim assist kb/m needs rawinput especially compared to what the mouse is now this horrible inaccurate DS3 movement

Remove aim assist or give kb/m raw input because the fact is DS3 is able to make super fine movements with aim assist and the kb/m is all over the place..

Which it wouldn't be all over the place with raw input..

For the people that say that would make the mouse OP (you must be new here) it used to be this way in chromosome when aim assist was random and you still had DS3 users out performing kb/m...

Now that DS3 has an op aim assist kb/m needs rawinput especially compared to what the mouse is now this horrible inaccurate DS3 movement

Remove aim assist or give kb/m raw input because the fact is DS3 is able to make super fine movements with aim assist and the kb/m is all over the place..

Which it wouldn't be all over the place with raw input..

For the people that say that would make the mouse OP (you must be new here) it used to be this way in chromosome when aim assist was random and you still had DS3 users out performing kb/m...

Neither.

Go Frag FX Shark baby! Best of both worlds.

Sure would be nice to get some Dev input on if anything will be done in 1.5 to bring the kb/m up to speed...

what? it wouldn't be nice at all. It would be nice if they gave ds3 players 500% the turning speed we have now and an imperceptible analog stick dead zone.
You're acting like those who asked for a buff of the flylock instead of a nerf :/

what? it wouldn't be nice at all. It would be nice if they gave ds3 players 500% the turning speed we have now and an imperceptible analog stick dead zone.
You're acting like those who asked for a buff of the flylock instead of a nerf :/

Try an AR with DS3 and aim assist.
/thread.
KB/M overpowered? You seriously need to try something out before screaming "OP!"

Dust university Jihad to promote aim assist is still raging? I think most ppl understand that Aimbot>KBM ?>DS3. I think most ppl are interested in talking about KBM and DS3 balancing without substituting an aimbot for DS3 control and calling it a day.