Well that makes you a scrub because MDs are racking up over 60% of my deaths. ARs don't particularly shoot around cover, MDs can.

Due to this post I now feel like the only guy in the game not using the AR... I only use the Scrambler Rifle and that's when I'm playing my Logi alt...

100%.


One of the many things Dust needs to be successful is real variation in weapons, balance, and niches. This allows for actual specialization and tactics, rather than regret of spending SP on anything other than AR.


IF AR continues to dominate as it does, And all of the other weapons in this game are just meaningless fluff, then that whole "Deep customization" selling point is a hoax. Which at this point, is one of the few selling points dust claims to have.

At that distance I thought I was going to get away.

There are already ways to counter the AR. No nerf necessary.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=109920&find=unread

+1 for your research, analysis and presentation, Mr. Hurin.

There is fatal flaw, however in your approach and conclusion.
DPS on paper is substantially different from DPS in game.
Accuracy must be considered in any sound analysis.

DPS disparity (actual vs theoretical) is oft observed in CQC, where the AR is demonstrably dominant.
100% accuracy with a Shotgun is seldom -- if ever -- observed. The same goes for the HMG.

On paper, the SG and HMG should out-DPS the AR.
In game, however, the opposite is observed.

I hope this makes sense; let me know if I can clarify.

- Shotty GoBang

I have MD millions of SP in MDs. Trust me when I say they are NOT making a comeback.

GoBang probably abused the difficulty to aim the AR properly to dominate those who tried using it with cheap tactics and he can't quite do it anymore. QQ MORE?

... Get over it. Adapt. Or go somewhere else.

Sounds about right. I know I'm speccing further into AR merely because I have trouble competing with any other weapon efficiently. Nobody in their right mind can say that ARs are not ridiculous right now.

Hello. I don't believe we've met.

If by "cheap tactics" you mean sneaking into optimal shotgun range, often behind an opponent ...
Then yes, I am guilty as charged.

If by "QQ" you refer my expectation that a Shotgun should beat an AR in close quarters ...
Then yes, I am also guilty of this charge.

Not for lack of effort, but I fail to understand your point. Perhaps you can clarify?



On this point -- which is quite clear -- you need not worry.
Present imbalance held constant, I will absolutely take my leave.
I've invested 18M SP in a Shotgun Scout build. Why should I stay?

Alright, let me take it slower with you.

You are presenting it as if the AR ALWAYS wins in CQC. I say it doesn't. I have seen
the shotgun reliably win versus ARs in CQC. You are probably mistaking mid-range or mid-close range
for CQC.

As a tanker with around 15 million SP, with a majority in my vehicles, I am pretty
effective with my role. Does it mean that I should automatically win against infantry
with smaller SP counts? No, I don't think so. Sometimes you fall into situations
that are just not in your favor.

I don't use ARs much, but when I used one with my ds3, it was a pain in the ass to use
and the KB/M users would win most of the time with equal circumstances. Mass Drivers
and cheap weapons that took advantage of the weak/broken aim assist dominated
in that era.

Now that Aim Assist actually helps hit with the AR, it is now effective. The other forms of
the AR has been nerfed into oblivion. Go ahead. Try the burst assault rifle, the breach, and
the tactical and tell me if they are very useful over the generic one with all of the nerfs leveled.

That is good that you are leaving. That means one less "Nerf X because I can't abuse Y anymore to beat X" thread.

I also have an assault alt that I stopped playing for a while because the prior aim assist actually made it harder to hit people using the DS3.

Alright, let me take it slower with you.

You are presenting it as if the AR ALWAYS wins in CQC. I say it doesn't.

You are probably mistaking mid-range or mid-close range for CQC.

That is good that you are leaving.

That means one less "Nerf X because I can't abuse Y anymore to beat X" thread.

That is good that you are leaving. That means one less "Nerf X because I can't abuse Y anymore to beat X" thread.

Not at all. Aim assist threw your aim off and without it, good luck hitting anything. Source: My experience with the proliferation of Mass Drivers and Grenade users.

They better nerf the regular ARs, they just have to. It's waay to easy, there is no skill involved. Next time you die, look at the map and zoom in to watch the firefights. You'll see the ridiculous range of that shiiit. In one occasion, A Blaster tank and an AR were firing from the same spot, and I was watching at the similiraties in range. It was stupid.

You realize that is a damage fallout linked to the range, right ? People can hit you from long range, but the weapons hardly do any damage. I think what you "been" noticing is the aim-assist problems with kick and dispersion.

http://i.imgur.com/PyUmDEA.jpg
^ Courtesy of Cyrius Li-Moody