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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.09.12 19:35:00 -
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Sounds about right. I know I'm speccing further into AR merely because I have trouble competing with any other weapon efficiently. Nobody in their right mind can say that ARs are not ridiculous right now. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.09.12 19:48:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:In Battlefield speak, the AR is the M16A3 of DUST.
Could not have put it better.
I have millions of SP in my MD and won't run it with my squad unless we are all packed together. ALL of us. I mean, 3 or 4 dudes surrounding me at all times because I'm dead from a militia AR/standard AR before/as I'm firing my third round, which by then has barely dented their shields. The only kills I get with my MD is when I get the jump on people, or when they're not even paying attention to me.
Scout shotgun, I get ousted halfway across the map, and in less than a second. Even if I get the drop on the guy its terrifying because somewhere between trying to get the 2nd and 3rd shot to connect if he so much as hits me with a couple shots I'm dead.
Laser, beats ARs when its at its mostly max range, even at that range they're still hitting you. From the beginning of its optimal to about the mid of its optimal an AR will easily kill you. Don't believe me? I have the videos to prove this.
When I put my AR on (operation lvl 4, sharpshooter lvl 2) I maintain an easy 2.0 to 9.0 KDR consistently. If I'm not getting steam rolled in that match.
I'm not one to ***** and moan but legitimately the AR has outright killed my enjoyment of variety in this game. I feel like I HAVE to run my AR unless I'm trying to be cute with one of these other silly things Dust considers weapons. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.09.12 20:01:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Killar-12 wrote:If CCP nerfs the AR... 1 question... How?
I'd switch Range profiles with the HMG and see what that does for the two weapons... Simple: High ROF weapons that are hand-held are horrible when it comes to accuracy over any sort of distance; the AR and SMG simply need to have much greater dispersion in their weapon spread. That, or remove/replace the kick reduction bonus you get from leveling into them.
Dispersion and recoil need a massive increase on these weapons. at lvl 4, the GEK-38 does not start to kick until over halfway through the clip. HALFWAY and even then its a slight lift. Most dudes are dead before you even get to that half of the clip. Until then its laser like precision, even from the hip. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.09.12 21:06:00 -
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Nobody wants to nerf the AR to hell and back. Calm your kittens. It needs to be balanced to be in line with EVERY OTHER WEAPON so there isn't a "best choice" merely a "preferred choice."
The joke of AR514 was funny before, but now it just isn't. They dominate the battlefield in almost every single situation. Rarely is any other weapon better than the full auto AR in any situation we have right now.
The fact that you have scouts and heavies giving up their shotguns and HMGs because ARs do their jobs better is a clear sign there is something very wrong. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.09.12 21:07:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:1) CCP reviews numerous requests to balance the automatic assault rifle. 2) CCP is assured by AR users that the weapon is perfectly fine as is. 3) CCP observes AR performance spikes across all combat metrics and engagement ranges. 4) CCP reports that they are closely monitoring the AR situation. 5) Rebalance is postponed, as to avoid irritating the competitive playerbase. 6) AR proliferation increases, as folks seek to survive and compete. 7) Rebalance is postponed, as to avoid irritating an ever-growing playerbase. 8) Mass Drivers are making a comeback, and all sorts of other weapons litter the field.
I have MD millions of SP in MDs. Trust me when I say they are NOT making a comeback. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.09.12 21:23:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Nobody wants to nerf the AR to hell and back. Calm your kittens. It needs to be balanced to be in line with EVERY OTHER WEAPON so there isn't a "best choice" merely a "preferred choice."
The joke of AR514 was funny before, but now it just isn't. They dominate the battlefield in almost every single situation. Rarely is any other weapon better than the full auto AR in any situation we have right now.
The fact that you have scouts and heavies giving up their shotguns and HMGs because ARs do their jobs better is a clear sign there is something very wrong. Judging by the amount of likes you have i'm going to say you have been around more than long enough to know that plenty of people want the AR nerfed to hell and back. Most don't give good (intelligent) reasons or numbers, but the cry has been going out as long as I've been here (2 months roughly, not long I know). I personally feel the AR wasn't OP pre 1.4, but combine with AA it is to much. My feelings are I would rather have no AA and at most slight (slight slight SLIGHT) nerfs to the AR as opposed to heavy nerfs and keeping AA. But that's just me. Everything I've said is merely opinion, not fact. Things will be what things will be I guess.
Yes, some people do want it nerfed to hell and back, but I don't want weapons to be useless. We already have plenty of those. Many of us are trying to be reasonable with our requests. The full auto AR is definitely something people need for familiarity but it should not dominate like its doing.
There are plenty of things I'm sure you could do with the AR to bring it in line but something should be done about it sooner rather than later. For every point of SP i put into my AR i feel dirty because I'm doing it not because I like the weapon but because it is practically required at this point. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.09.12 21:40:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well that makes you a scrub because MDs are racking up over 60% of my deaths. ARs don't particularly shoot around cover, MDs can.
IWS just called me a scrub. Its a day for the history books.
Do you even play the same game we do? Tell me, how am I supposed to shoot from behind cover when I'm getting mowed down before I can even react? How am I supposed to win an engagement if that AR can kill before I can fire a 3rd or 4th round? God forbid I try to throw a flux, I'll be dead before it's done cooking.
Before you tell me be more mindful of my surroundings, I run a scanner. I'm the all seeing eye of God on the battlefield. The only people I'm not seeing are scouts, and honestly, theres only a few scouts that are extremely dangerous.
Tank my suit better? Sweet, I live a quarter second longer. Still getting mowed down before I fire a 5th round. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.09.13 20:51:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote: GoBang probably abused the difficulty to aim the AR properly to dominate those who tried using it with cheap tactics and he can't quite do it anymore. QQ MORE?
Hello. I don't believe we've met. If by "cheap tactics" you mean sneaking into optimal shotgun range, often behind an opponent ... Then yes, I am guilty as charged. If by "QQ" you refer my expectation that a Shotgun should beat an AR in close quarters ... Then yes, I am also guilty of this charge. Not for lack of effort, but I fail to understand your point. Perhaps you can clarify? Mary Sedillo wrote: ... Get over it. Adapt. Or go somewhere else.
On this point -- which is quite clear -- you need not worry. Present imbalance held constant, I will absolutely take my leave. I've invested 18M SP in a Shotgun Scout build. Why should I stay? Alright, let me take it slower with you. You are presenting it as if the AR ALWAYS wins in CQC. I say it doesn't. I have seen the shotgun reliably win versus ARs in CQC. You are probably mistaking mid-range or mid-close range for CQC. As a tanker with around 15 million SP, with a majority in my vehicles, I am pretty effective with my role. Does it mean that I should automatically win against infantry with smaller SP counts? No, I don't think so. Sometimes you fall into situations that are just not in your favor. I don't use ARs much, but when I used one with my ds3, it was a pain in the ass to use and the KB/M users would win most of the time with equal circumstances. Mass Drivers and cheap weapons that took advantage of the weak/broken aim assist dominated in that era. Now that Aim Assist actually helps hit with the AR, it is now effective. The other forms of the AR has been nerfed into oblivion. Go ahead. Try the burst assault rifle, the breach, and the tactical and tell me if they are very useful over the generic one with all of the nerfs leveled. That is good that you are leaving. That means one less "Nerf X because I can't abuse Y anymore to beat X" thread.
Tanker posting in an infantry balance thread.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.09.13 20:57:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:I also have an assault alt that I stopped playing for a while because the prior aim assist actually made it harder to hit people using the DS3.
You could still melt face with the AR prior to 1.3 if you could aim with a DS3. Source: Everyone who regularly uses an AR. |
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