Great work so far, maybe you could add the scrambler rifle from Delta Iddon's graphs here:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40886&find=unread

I'm pretty sure the SR is just the ASR + 5m

Ah! That's the guy who inspired all of this, by the way.

Saw one of those beautiful graphs and immediately thought, "Holy hell this needs to be in-game somewhere."

Honestly not trying to steal the thunder - I didn't know more graphs existed! I need to get a hold of this guy for sure though.

you should get someone with and alt and sync in FW to test. would be alot easier getting the exact ranges.

Phew! This has taken me the better part of the night, some of you just don't hold still!

My thanks to all of the snipers and turret gunners out there that did though!

So a little back story is in order. This was mostly inspired during a discussion in which another player provided a line graph showing the efficacy at range for a Laser Rifle. I decided, why stop there? This is something that we all need/want!

This is the first step as part of my soon-to-come-to-fruition project: The Dust 514 Orientation Initiative which is being made to provide constant up to date knowledge materials to both new and veteran players in an easy to read manner, using as little spreadsheets as absolutely possible. The first part of the project is nearing completion and I've only a few more weapons to go (mostly because I can't use them yet!)

So, without further adieu I'd like to share with you all what I've got so far:

http://i.imgur.com/fboaQfS.png

It's still a work in progress and this one is only against shields as the values for armor is a little harder to pull off, but I like where it's going so far.

Feedback? Suggestions? General comments? Hate mail?

Nice work

I'm thinking about it since long but i'm lazy+bad at math

I think to kill the phantasm or the fog of war about the gap of power between players at differents states of developpment, it could be interesting to do a graphic with a little image of a dust soldier of various sizes to show overall power of a grunt at : (for example)
at start
after one week of play
after one month of play
after 6 months of play
after 1 year of play

considering :
the guy play one hour daily and dont use booster nor buy aurum
- invest in skills at 50% that raise damages
- invest in skills at 50% that raise hit points

The size would be proportionnal to the average number we would get between total hp and dps

and of course giving overall (reasonable) price of the fitting the guy will use at the various level of his evolution

it could kill or lower the general idea that people can have about the game : "it's pay to win" / "you can't catch up"

Also maybe another good way to look at this would be as a % of total max damage. Because then you get an idea of each weapon's relative usefulness at each range. At 50m, (its falloff) AR does about 50% max to shields while ASR does 70%. At 65 m AR does about 45% while SR does about 65%. The SR 'falloff' (not ASR) should be around 70-75m where it would do 50% max damage.

Even further, what you can't really see is the paper DPS at each range. Its hard to know how much would exactly hit at each range, but you COULD assume 100% and then just go from there.

Well, that'll be a bigger project but for now I do have a line graph showing the disparity between paying for boosters and not paying for boosters over a six month period =D

http://i.imgur.com/bOxw235.png

Edit: Huh. Not sure why it decided to format one line's number values but not the other. I'll fix that right quick.

thought active boosters did not raise cap so I fail to see how they can be a factor unless you are adding in some extra post-cap grind games to both sides?

Nice graph, but it would be more meaningful to normalize them to 100% damage.

I'm actually working on another graph (Bar Graph) showing the DPS values of each weapon ranging from lowest to highest, that one is rather straight forward as it's just some basic division of RPM, although some weapons are a bit harder to calculate - like the Laser Rifle.

Another thing I plan on doing is showing Radar charts (or, Spider Graphs, rather) showing the prominent values of the dropsuits between one another. You might remember this from stuff like Chromehounds or Armored Core.

Would love to see this with HMG in the mix :)

Cool graph though!

True, they don't raise the cap - but you receive an additional 50% extra from each match. This means that the cap (190,400 SP a week) is not raised, rather a bonus of 95,200 SP is applied.

Awesome work. Though I kind of lament the lack of the standard SR...That said, I know how much work these things are, so props for that.

Nice graphs!

Would be interesting to be able to plot the effective damage per shot given some probability to hit with each bullet. For example 75%, 95% and 100% hit rate probability.

Such a graph could indicate which weapon is best in average when it comes to lag susceptibility, player skill, hit detection code, etc.

Might not be necessary though, we all know AR is king already...

I think straight DPS would be artificial. DPS over time would make more sense. A good chart could maybe be a stacked bar graph or something that shows:

Burst DPS: max DPS in best second regardless of reload/accuracy (AR: no skills = 425)
Magazine DPS: avg DPS before a reload (AR: 408)
Magazine Damage: assume all rounds in clip hit (AR: 2000)
Lifetime DPS: avg DPS to empty a gun at max use (AR: 276)
Then you could even modify it for shields/armor for each stat.

There is a lot of data out there to visualize and a lot of ways to visualize it.

A thing that's hard to understand is that weapons cycle through their damage potential differently. Like with a mass driver or a scrambler rifle you can pop out of cover just long enough to do 2 quick shots that could do 500-700 damage in 2 seconds. You would have to have a target dead in your crosshairs for a full 2 seconds to do that with a STD AR.

Then when you combine that idea with your tank, you really only need a tank that will last you for the time that you choose to be exposed, plus whatever buffer you feel comfortable with to do incidental damage.

nice and notice the laser is "long range" but has the lowest damage at 90m+. personally i think the ARs and SrC should have much lower damage at those ranges and the LR has of slope down after 85m. a lot of the weapons weapons slopes are just wonky. and have been extended where they shouldn't of have. SMG 120m LOL anyone?

HEY! Where the hell is my HMG!? What kind of fuckin useless chart is this!? Got no damn HMG! How the hell am I suppose to use this!? It's like having toast and you got all the butter an jam n ****, but no damn knife! Not even a pocket knife!

Naw this looks ******* awesome. But in all honesty why no HMG? Is that going to be your next project? This looks like a light weapons chart, so you'll be working on heavy weapons next?

The laser is the most surrpising. You really gotta be in a specific range for it to be useful. That's pretty neat.

Flaylock is also good to know, I'm still trying to figure out how to use that damn thing...

I think they are going to take a pass on all of these for 1.5. Especially if the new rifles are in it would make sense to make sure everything is in its place.