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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:23:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:enough to really give it its niche roll!! At the end of the day, this is a DUST problem.
Nothing has actual roles. It's who can make the better slayer, every time.
If you aren't slaying, you're doing it wrong. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
3439
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:23:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:I can say in full confidence that I am not afraid of heavies in this game.
That's a major problem. The heavies back at the start of open beta used to send me sprinting For cover, they were so terrifying the forums were flooded with NERF threads, I miss that, nobody dared **** witha heavy head on solo like we see today. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
418
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:30:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I can say in full confidence that I am not afraid of heavies in this game.
That's a major problem. The heavies back at the start of open beta used to send me sprinting For cover, they were so terrifying the forums were flooded with NERF threads, I miss that, nobody dared **** witha heavy head on solo like we see today.
Prescicely Heavies need to at least make you think twice, or you know get you to call a mate over, its shouldn't be a walking tank, more like a humvee, you shouldn't be able to beat it on your own, but it shouldn't be capable of walking through entire squads!! |
Cenex Langly
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
187
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:31:00 -
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ROEG X wrote:Ambiuris Zinum wrote:The Assault rifle is destroying heavy dropsuits like nothing. We need help. A heavy with all skills at level 5 are no match vs assault at level 5. Seconds and you're down. Not good. It takes to long to make it to level 5 and to get ripped. Not cool. BUFF NEEDED. thank you. Haha are you kidding, heavies are a pain in the butt. Get a better machine gun lol !!! Heavies are already like tanks. A regular weapon with no mods is worthless when shooting at a heavy. You are better off throwing the weapon at a heavy and start running lol !!
I'm actually going to agree with you. Heavies are really difficult to kill one on one. You have to empty a clip right at their head using an AR or SAR. that's hard enough to do. For those, like me, who use the MD, you absolutely have to flux them or you'll not be able to kill them in one clip. With the new aimbot stuff going on with aim assist all the heavy has to do is turn and hold down the trigger and you're going to get hit nearly 100% of the shots. So they've got their damage increase from previous, and now they hit with that bonus damage. They are fine. Learn to play and stop trying to be a hero. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
418
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:38:00 -
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Cenex Langly wrote:ROEG X wrote:Ambiuris Zinum wrote:The Assault rifle is destroying heavy dropsuits like nothing. We need help. A heavy with all skills at level 5 are no match vs assault at level 5. Seconds and you're down. Not good. It takes to long to make it to level 5 and to get ripped. Not cool. BUFF NEEDED. thank you. Haha are you kidding, heavies are a pain in the butt. Get a better machine gun lol !!! Heavies are already like tanks. A regular weapon with no mods is worthless when shooting at a heavy. You are better off throwing the weapon at a heavy and start running lol !! I'm actually going to agree with you. Heavies are really difficult to kill one on one. You have to empty a clip right at their head using an AR or SAR. that's hard enough to do. For those, like me, who use the MD, you absolutely have to flux them or you'll not be able to kill them in one clip. With the new aimbot stuff going on with aim assist all the heavy has to do is turn and hold down the trigger and you're going to get hit nearly 100% of the shots. So they've got their damage increase from previous, and now they hit with that bonus damage. They are fine. Learn to play and stop trying to be a hero. A mlt at has 30.8 +ù 48 = 1,478 dmg per mag, this enough to beat most suits, and only needs 4 secs, Aim Assist also applies to an ar, and he is more likely to hit because of his smaller spread, what are doing wrong, I run an MD, I purposely switch to my SIDEARM because it is more effective! , |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
3443
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:08:00 -
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Cenex Langly wrote:ROEG X wrote:Ambiuris Zinum wrote:The Assault rifle is destroying heavy dropsuits like nothing. We need help. A heavy with all skills at level 5 are no match vs assault at level 5. Seconds and you're down. Not good. It takes to long to make it to level 5 and to get ripped. Not cool. BUFF NEEDED. thank you. Haha are you kidding, heavies are a pain in the butt. Get a better machine gun lol !!! Heavies are already like tanks. A regular weapon with no mods is worthless when shooting at a heavy. You are better off throwing the weapon at a heavy and start running lol !! I'm actually going to agree with you. Heavies are really difficult to kill one on one. You have to empty a clip right at their head using an AR or SAR. that's hard enough to do. For those, like me, who use the MD, you absolutely have to flux them or you'll not be able to kill them in one clip. With the new aimbot stuff going on with aim assist all the heavy has to do is turn and hold down the trigger and you're going to get hit nearly 100% of the shots. So they've got their damage increase from previous, and now they hit with that bonus damage. They are fine. Learn to play and stop trying to be a hero. I can assure you, given how often I am getting taken down one on one that it really can't be that hard. While I may be a militia heavy I'm still carrying around 900hp, and I just melt under AR fire, I've lost CQ DPS races with AR's when we've both started shooting at the same time. |
ABadMutha13
Nihil-Obstat Mercs General Tso's Alliance
15
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:09:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:I know this is a crazy idea right? If the heavy suit was more resistant to small arms fire smgs ,pistols and low grade explosives i.e grenades then the heavy suit may have a fighting chance. Here is where I got this crazy idea http://dust514.com/universe/dropsuits/"Heavy The Heavy dropsuit is designed to withstand concentrated small arms fire and protect the wearer from low-grade explosives. Its power-assisted exoskeleton lets the wearer use the heaviest weapons available. What heavy dropsuits lack in mobility they make up for with incomparable defenses. Mercenaries wearing such armor have been known to survive going toe-to-toe with enemy vehicles."
So should tanks....get in line. |
Jake Diesel
BIG BAD W0LVES
18
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:31:00 -
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Orion Vahid wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Here's a crazy idea.
Give us more slots and CPU / PG
Same for scouts. That is what I really want. Why the **** Assault suits get to have 6-7 high/low slots on proto/advanced levels but Heavies don't?
Because CCP said so. Lol. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3815
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Posted - 2013.09.13 00:19:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Cenex Langly wrote:ROEG X wrote:Ambiuris Zinum wrote:The Assault rifle is destroying heavy dropsuits like nothing. We need help. A heavy with all skills at level 5 are no match vs assault at level 5. Seconds and you're down. Not good. It takes to long to make it to level 5 and to get ripped. Not cool. BUFF NEEDED. thank you. Haha are you kidding, heavies are a pain in the butt. Get a better machine gun lol !!! Heavies are already like tanks. A regular weapon with no mods is worthless when shooting at a heavy. You are better off throwing the weapon at a heavy and start running lol !! I'm actually going to agree with you. Heavies are really difficult to kill one on one. You have to empty a clip right at their head using an AR or SAR. that's hard enough to do. For those, like me, who use the MD, you absolutely have to flux them or you'll not be able to kill them in one clip. With the new aimbot stuff going on with aim assist all the heavy has to do is turn and hold down the trigger and you're going to get hit nearly 100% of the shots. So they've got their damage increase from previous, and now they hit with that bonus damage. They are fine. Learn to play and stop trying to be a hero. I can assure you, given how often I am getting taken down one on one that it really can't be that hard. While I may be a militia heavy I'm still carrying around 900hp, and I just melt under AR fire, I've lost CQ DPS races with AR's when we've both started shooting at the same time.
And it scales even worse when proto suits and guns come into play. A Duvolle >>>> Boundless HMG. |
Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men.
67
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Posted - 2013.09.13 02:07:00 -
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If i resisted even more small arms fire i wouldnt only decimate squads i would decimate the whole enemy team! |
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
870
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Posted - 2013.09.13 02:13:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:enough to really give it its niche roll!! At the end of the day, this is a DUST problem. Nothing has actual roles. It's who can make the better slayer, every time. If you aren't slaying, you're doing it wrong.
I disagree with this... all builds have roles.
its just that most players aren't good at using a particular build for that role... your post proves this.
indeed many think their job is to kill as many as possible, although logic would dictate that since this doesn't work, people would change their way of thinking...instead they blame CCP and everything else for their folly, instead of their own inaccurate supposition of what each build is built to do... |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
979
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Posted - 2013.09.13 02:20:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Jake Diesel wrote:Sana Rayya wrote:Heavies need something. It's called squad support.
A heavy is much harder to kill when it has a logi and other squad mates behind it.
A heavy with uberbuffed HP and a core focused repair tool locked on it while it stands on a bed of triage nanohives would be nearly impossible to kill. That sounds like a heavy's wet dream. Unfortunately that probably happens like 2% in public games. Majority of players at AR users, and even then I rarely see nano hives lying around. Militia grade AR's can tear through advanced level suits like butter and they are not afraid to charge a heavy on a 1 vs 1. People that are scared of heavies in 1.4 are terrible players.
Hey, I resemble that remark! My problems are that I am a bad shot and corners. I always end up picking the corner with a heavy and his friend. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
979
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Posted - 2013.09.13 02:28:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:The Robot Devil wrote: There has to be some balance between speed and HP but I think it would be fun for us to have specialized heavy plates that offered a heavy frames something different.
Hardened Energized Rolled Enforced 155 140 145 150 HP 6% 4% 5% 5.5% Speed penalties Explosive EM Thermal Kinetic Damage Type 10% 10% 10% 10% Resistance amount
I think your on to something here I would also suggested a new area on the wheel for these type of slots can you imagine stacking some explosive resistance and being able to walk through the grenade or mass driver spam that would be what this suit needs. I think it would need its own health wheel so multiple nades still wear it down but it would give you some more survivability
I was more thinking a heavy module that only fit on heavy suits than an new slot. I think we need to have more modules and skills before we get into any type of rigging. Heavies need options besides the one suit and how much armor to have. Giving a merc an option to fit a plate to better fight a MD is a option only heavies would have because that is their job. We should be enabling the players and allow the situation to dictate what is on the field. The lack of choices for the frame makes it boring and only allows for one option; more armor. |
SgtDoughnut
M.E.R.C. Elite
105
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Posted - 2013.09.13 03:00:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:wild wendigo wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Small Arms.
Those BB guns regular infantry use.
Most of our weapons are graded anti-equipment. I've seen you make this assertion more than once recently. I have seen nothing in the universe canon that says this. Do you have a source? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpJQjwKs6KgRendered obsolete against newly engineered Drop Suits which comes with active defense systems including shielding (whose radiation is lethal to humans over long time exposure) along with armor resonance and other penetration defeating methods. Development of the Rail Rifle began shortly after the Sniper Rifle was developed to speed up the projectiles in order to defeat the active system sensors. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-AqlZS3JmXPo/UYAMWjM5_PI/AAAAAAAAAW4/MgWKmxHs5Sk/s640/rail_rifle.pngAnother Case is the Sparrow Class Dropship versus the Myron/Viper class dropship. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/DropshipMost of the old generation dropships can no longer be used in combat only after the fight is over. MCCs have practically replaced the largest drop ship classes the smaller ones are getting replaced by troop transports we're familiar with. Our own laser rifles are a generation ahead as well https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Laser_weaponsOur Railgun Armaments are much smaller than the old generation ones, while projectile ones increased in calibur and fire small warheads now to defeat our systems. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Projectile_weaponsInfantry shield tech is not even mentioned anywhere on this page Technologies Honestly he can just look at the weapons as we fire them, A rail powered sniper rifle would have so much kick it would probably tear our arm off at the shoulder (remember for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, and these things shoot at crazy high speeds) The AR and the Shotgun shoot plasma at incredibly high speeds, plasma is used to cut through metal in many workshops. Using the devices without armor and shielding would kill you. The amarr tech (lazer rifle and scrabler rifle) generate so much heat that they can actually kill a person in a suit if they are not careful, if you didn't have that protection you would probably die from heat exposure in seconds.
This stuff is powerful, it just does not seem that way due that fact we are fighting other mercs with similar tech. Given the chance to do some pve vs normal people we would be untouchable killing machines and gods standing upon piles of corpses till we ran out of ammunition. |
HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles
3619
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:38:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:gbghg wrote:Cenex Langly wrote:ROEG X wrote:Ambiuris Zinum wrote:The Assault rifle is destroying heavy dropsuits like nothing. We need help. A heavy with all skills at level 5 are no match vs assault at level 5. Seconds and you're down. Not good. It takes to long to make it to level 5 and to get ripped. Not cool. BUFF NEEDED. thank you. Haha are you kidding, heavies are a pain in the butt. Get a better machine gun lol !!! Heavies are already like tanks. A regular weapon with no mods is worthless when shooting at a heavy. You are better off throwing the weapon at a heavy and start running lol !! I'm actually going to agree with you. Heavies are really difficult to kill one on one. You have to empty a clip right at their head using an AR or SAR. that's hard enough to do. For those, like me, who use the MD, you absolutely have to flux them or you'll not be able to kill them in one clip. With the new aimbot stuff going on with aim assist all the heavy has to do is turn and hold down the trigger and you're going to get hit nearly 100% of the shots. So they've got their damage increase from previous, and now they hit with that bonus damage. They are fine. Learn to play and stop trying to be a hero. I can assure you, given how often I am getting taken down one on one that it really can't be that hard. While I may be a militia heavy I'm still carrying around 900hp, and I just melt under AR fire, I've lost CQ DPS races with AR's when we've both started shooting at the same time. And it scales even worse when proto suits and guns come into play. A Duvolle >>>> Boundless HMG.
My duvolle is eating heavies just need a better medium suit |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
985
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Posted - 2013.09.13 20:24:00 -
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What kind of suit bonuses are you looking for when all the races have suits? |
Harry Kahones
Children of Ares
0
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Posted - 2013.10.28 23:31:00 -
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Maybe they could go e us heavies a module that makes small arms damage and grenade damage taken reduced by half or something
Stand for something or you fall for everything
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KryptixX
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
423
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Posted - 2013.10.29 01:31:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:My duvolle is eating heavies just need a better medium suit Tha fuq? |
Xender17
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
869
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Posted - 2013.10.29 01:34:00 -
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AR>Heavy MD>Scout
What the fox say?
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
1023
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Posted - 2013.10.29 01:39:00 -
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when ever I see a thread like this all I can think is the OP must not be very good at fitting a heavy suit and/or using the heavy in the way it was meant to be used...
heavies are not frontline troops so they shouldn't be out in front taking on the other team and they certainly shouldn't be running out in the open away from cover.
do you job as groundholder and clean up and you wouldn't feel so squishy and useless.... |
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