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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
1912
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Posted - 2013.09.11 04:18:00 -
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I saw Spec's video and wanted to try it out myself. What I noticed is that it does drag or pull you into the direction that the enemy is heading towards. But that only lasts for a second and then you have to maintain the aim on the target. Not to mention, enemies strafe back and forth and jump, etc. AA does not do the aiming for you. It assists which is whhat i's supposed to do.
One thing that I noticed as well, is that it only drags toward the enemy when the crosshairs are on target. That means that you when you look down your sights or engage to hip fire, you must be on target or close enough so that the AA can actually assist. If it were that strong (like I've noticed in some other games), when you tap L1, it will place the target immediately in the center of your crosshairs.
My stance is the same as before....I don't care whether aim assist is here or not but I just want guys to know that this isn't aimbot. Although the game helps to steer you, you still have to aim yourself. And just to reiterate, the assist only lasts for a second or two, it does not follow the enemy forever. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
597
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Posted - 2013.09.11 04:22:00 -
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ssssh don't even try to explain. They won't understand! |
Keri Starlight
Psygod9
241
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Posted - 2013.09.11 04:55:00 -
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Aim Assist is sweet. Statement. |
XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
4541
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Posted - 2013.09.11 04:58:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:ssssh don't even try to explain. They won't understand!
But I do |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
600
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Posted - 2013.09.11 05:01:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:ssssh don't even try to explain. They won't understand! But I do It's just because you're so nice and...fluffy in your fat suit. All the others won't understand. |
XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
4543
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Posted - 2013.09.11 05:04:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:ssssh don't even try to explain. They won't understand! But I do It's just because you're so nice and...fluffy in your fat suit. All the others won't understand.
I will make them |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
600
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Posted - 2013.09.11 05:06:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:ssssh don't even try to explain. They won't understand! But I do It's just because you're so nice and...fluffy in your fat suit. All the others won't understand. I will make them Please then, use your weight if necessary, sir. |
XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
4543
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Posted - 2013.09.11 05:08:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:ssssh don't even try to explain. They won't understand! But I do It's just because you're so nice and...fluffy in your fat suit. All the others won't understand. I will make them Please then, use your weight if necessary, sir. I fit in a scout suit,
You get bacon if you understand |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
600
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Posted - 2013.09.11 05:11:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:
But I do
It's just because you're so nice and...fluffy in your fat suit. All the others won't understand. I will make them Please then, use your weight if necessary, sir. I fit in a scout suit, You get bacon if you understand
really think I'm going to miss my bacon now...but...maybe is the scout suit that fits in you? |
XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
4543
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Posted - 2013.09.11 05:13:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:
But I do
It's just because you're so nice and...fluffy in your fat suit. All the others won't understand. I will make them Please then, use your weight if necessary, sir. I fit in a scout suit, You get bacon if you understand
really think I'm going to miss my bacon now...but...maybe is the scout suit that fits in you?[/quote]
no |
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Heimdallr69
TeamPlayers EoN.
783
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Posted - 2013.09.11 05:15:00 -
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http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2yorf2c&s=5 I'm cool with it |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
600
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Posted - 2013.09.11 05:15:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:no
but it was funny, wasn't it? |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
600
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Posted - 2013.09.11 05:21:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2yorf2c&s=5 I'm cool with it
Next step: Show full gameplay to prove its opness.
I did the same score (actually much better) in chromosome with a ds3 |
Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
105
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Posted - 2013.09.11 05:25:00 -
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Aim assist should not help track of any sort OR help with hip-fire accuracy. It should only help when you're actually trying to AIM.
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Heimdallr69
TeamPlayers EoN.
783
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Posted - 2013.09.11 05:41:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2yorf2c&s=5 I'm cool with it Next step: Show full gameplay to prove its opness. I did the same score (actually much better) in chromosome with a ds3 Beat 63-0 then you can talk...will post tomorrow |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
600
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Posted - 2013.09.11 06:17:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2yorf2c&s=5 I'm cool with it Next step: Show full gameplay to prove its opness. I did the same score (actually much better) in chromosome with a ds3 Beat 63-0 then you can talk...will post tomorrow
59-1....Ob? I had none ^^ anyway, were you using a ds3? |
Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
1538
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:10:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Aim assist should not help track of any sort OR help with hip-fire aiming. It should only help when you're actually trying to AIM.
Wait when you are aiming are you not allowed to track? Or is hip fire aiming not aiming? OOOHHH or are you saying that it should work like it does in BF3 where when you ADS near a target it just puts the crosshairs OVER the target instantly?
Anyway, I'm surprised that this kind of approval came from the CEO of a pretty elite corp. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
1924
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:22:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Aim assist should not help track of any sort OR help with hip-fire aiming. It should only help when you're actually trying to AIM.
What is the reasoning behind that? Why should hip fire aim be treated different? |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
1281
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:25:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: It's just because you're so nice and...fluffy in your fat suit. All the others won't understand.
I will make them Please then, use your weight if necessary, sir. I fit in a scout suit, You get bacon if you understand
You wouldn't be specifically referring to one of them slender female Gallente scout suits, would you?
And really, Heimdallr's snapshot really just proved that aim assist provided the same benefit for everyone (besides KB/M which had the advantage prior to AA, and excluding those who choose not to use AA because their pride is at stake) and that those who proto/pubstomp will continue to do so, and those who were previously on the receiving end probably don't see AA as their saving grace. |
Autoaim Bot514
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
66
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:32:00 -
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Why has noone tried the laser with AA?????????? It can hipfire accurately at max range. Scrubs. |
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Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
1538
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:45:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Long Evity wrote:Aim assist should not help track of any sort OR help with hip-fire aiming. It should only help when you're actually trying to AIM. What is the reasoning behind that? Why should hip fire aim be treated different?
Ydubbs: This is generally the kind of reasoning on these threads, pretty idiotic criticism with no reason or positive contribution. Thanks for weighing in.
It's like they are saying, "Aim assist should help with AIMING, not tracking, or acquiring a target, or keeping the crosshair on target, or smoothing movement, or reducing choppiness, or mitigating recoil, or compensating for movement sway or strafing adjustments, but just aiming!"
WTF is aiming then? |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
165
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:50:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Long Evity wrote:Aim assist should not help track of any sort OR help with hip-fire aiming. It should only help when you're actually trying to AIM. What is the reasoning behind that? Why should hip fire aim be treated different? Ydubbs: This is generally the kind of reasoning on these threads, pretty idiotic criticism with no reason or positive contribution. Thanks for weighing in. It's like they are saying, "Aim assist should help with AIMING, not tracking, or acquiring a target, or keeping the crosshair on target, or smoothing movement, or reducing choppiness, or mitigating recoil, or compensating for movement sway or strafing adjustments, but just aiming!" WTF is aiming then?
My biggest concern is AA is to powerfull at distance shots. Hell its easier to kill someone at 40 to 60m with hipfire than with ads. And this seems a bit weired to me.... |
Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
1538
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Posted - 2013.09.11 12:01:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Long Evity wrote:Aim assist should not help track of any sort OR help with hip-fire aiming. It should only help when you're actually trying to AIM. What is the reasoning behind that? Why should hip fire aim be treated different? Ydubbs: This is generally the kind of reasoning on these threads, pretty idiotic criticism with no reason or positive contribution. Thanks for weighing in. It's like they are saying, "Aim assist should help with AIMING, not tracking, or acquiring a target, or keeping the crosshair on target, or smoothing movement, or reducing choppiness, or mitigating recoil, or compensating for movement sway or strafing adjustments, but just aiming!" WTF is aiming then? My biggest concern is AA is to powerfull at distance shots. Hell its easier to kill someone at 40 to 60m with hipfire than with ads. And this seems a bit weired to me....
What weapon are you using? And are you talking about your problem with how YOU are dying or how easy it is for YOU to kill someone? At 60m your AR isn't going to hit very hard, so its redeeming quality will be RoF and to get any decent damage you need to feather the trigger. It is very likely that you are going to have to ADS at that range. Please show me a video where someone is getting kill against reasonably mobile targets at that range.
I'm saying over and over, you can't strafe dodge now like you could before, because of hit detection. I'm running as a logi with 400-450 eHP with some decent regen and still mostly dying from MD now more than anything else (because they can hit around cover). You cannot expect to get in a swarm of gunfire and expect to come out alive anymore. Think of everything before now as broken.
It's like you were in gym class, and up until now the instructor had everyone playing with their left hand. There were a few lefties out there so they were good. Now the rule is lifted, the playing field is equal. |
Chimeric Destiny
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2013.09.11 12:31:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I saw Spec's video and wanted to try it out myself. What I noticed is that it does drag or pull you into the direction that the enemy is heading towards. But that only lasts for a second and then you have to maintain the aim on the target. Not to mention, enemies strafe back and forth and jump, etc. AA does not do the aiming for you. It assists which is whhat i's supposed to do.
One thing that I noticed as well, is that it only drags toward the enemy when the crosshairs are on target. That means that you when you look down your sights or engage to hip fire, you must be on target or close enough so that the AA can actually assist. If it were that strong (like I've noticed in some other games), when you tap L1, it will place the target immediately in the center of your crosshairs.
My stance is the same as before....I don't care whether aim assist is here or not but I just want guys to know that this isn't aimbot. Although the game helps to steer you, you still have to aim yourself. And just to reiterate, the assist only lasts for a second or two, it does not follow the enemy forever.
Aimassist is Crydubbs approved got it. |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1306
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Posted - 2013.09.11 13:07:00 -
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To be fair arguments for and against have been equally stuiped and we're mostly centered around the top players getting all but hurt that they could stomp newbs anymore |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
879
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Posted - 2013.09.11 13:30:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I saw Spec's video and wanted to try it out myself. What I noticed is that it does drag or pull you into the direction that the enemy is heading towards. But that only lasts for a second and then you have to maintain the aim on the target. Not to mention, enemies strafe back and forth and jump, etc. AA does not do the aiming for you. It assists which is whhat i's supposed to do.
One thing that I noticed as well, is that it only drags toward the enemy when the crosshairs are on target. That means that you when you look down your sights or engage to hip fire, you must be on target or close enough so that the AA can actually assist. If it were that strong (like I've noticed in some other games), when you tap L1, it will place the target immediately in the center of your crosshairs.
My stance is the same as before....I don't care whether aim assist is here or not but I just want guys to know that this isn't aimbot. Although the game helps to steer you, you still have to aim yourself. And just to reiterate, the assist only lasts for a second or two, it does not follow the enemy forever. Agree on your analysis. We really need a 'FPS grammar police' dude making sure every poster is using magnetism, adhesion and snapping properly.
I would like to see two changes for the sake of gameplay.
1) Increased TTL.
2) I want strafing to be moderately effective for incoming damage amelioration. Not a ton, not so much a good player can dance into a pack of weak players and kill them all. But enough that it can get you out of a sticky situation and get you to cover. Enough that you sometimes can get away with being a risktakingshithead if circumstances call for it. This adds soooooo much to the fun factor and gameplay and takes away very little from tactical 'realism' that i feel it would be a mistake for DUST to be without it.
I'm not going to try tell CPP how to achieve these things 'cause there alotta ways to skin this cat, and i'm not sure what would work best at this point. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
1929
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Posted - 2013.09.11 13:34:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Long Evity wrote:Aim assist should not help track of any sort OR help with hip-fire aiming. It should only help when you're actually trying to AIM. What is the reasoning behind that? Why should hip fire aim be treated different? Ydubbs: This is generally the kind of reasoning on these threads, pretty idiotic criticism with no reason or positive contribution. Thanks for weighing in. It's like they are saying, "Aim assist should help with AIMING, not tracking, or acquiring a target, or keeping the crosshair on target, or smoothing movement, or reducing choppiness, or mitigating recoil, or compensating for movement sway or strafing adjustments, but just aiming!" WTF is aiming then? My biggest concern is AA is to powerfull at distance shots. Hell its easier to kill someone at 40 to 60m with hipfire than with ads. And this seems a bit weired to me....
The further you go out, the less amount of assist is given. When I did the experiment myself, I found that it doesn't track as much for longer targets. It pulls but only just a little bit. The closer you are, the more it will pull your weapon but it still doesn't pull it much...even up close. |
Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
1539
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Posted - 2013.09.11 13:39:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:My biggest concern is AA is to powerfull at distance shots. Hell its easier to kill someone at 40 to 60m with hipfire than with ads. And this seems a bit weired to me.... The further you go out, the less amount of assist is given. When I did the experiment myself, I found that it doesn't track as much for longer targets. It pulls but only just a little bit. The closer you are, the more it will pull your weapon but it still doesn't pull it much...even up close.
Which, if you have the grey matter to think about it for just a few seconds, makes sense, because things that are far away don't move as fast as things that are close. |
Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
109
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:01:00 -
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Really? You believe hip-firing needs AA and AA should track? How about you explain THAT reasoning? Taking away all skill in this game and replacing it with a do-all aim system is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Aim Assist should do nothing more then snap you to your target when you actually try to press L1 to aim and nothing more.
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Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
1539
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:07:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Really? You believe hip-firing needs AA and AA should track? How about you explain THAT reasoning? Taking away all skill in this game and replacing it with a do-all aim system is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Aim Assist should do nothing more then snap you to your target when you actually try to press L1 to aim and nothing more.
What you're suggesting would amount to tracking assist, but just require feathering L1 in a sort of migraine inducing twitchy derping with your rifle. The point of aim assist is to bring DS3 granularity of control in line with what you can do with KBM. If you are suggesting that the input of KBM and DS3 are equal with no AA you don't know what you are talking about.
DS3 = a 1.5 L hybrid engine with automatic transmission KBM = v8 manual transmission |
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