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Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:10:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Aim assist should not help track of any sort OR help with hip-fire aiming. It should only help when you're actually trying to AIM.
Wait when you are aiming are you not allowed to track? Or is hip fire aiming not aiming? OOOHHH or are you saying that it should work like it does in BF3 where when you ADS near a target it just puts the crosshairs OVER the target instantly?
Anyway, I'm surprised that this kind of approval came from the CEO of a pretty elite corp. |
Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
1538
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:45:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Long Evity wrote:Aim assist should not help track of any sort OR help with hip-fire aiming. It should only help when you're actually trying to AIM. What is the reasoning behind that? Why should hip fire aim be treated different?
Ydubbs: This is generally the kind of reasoning on these threads, pretty idiotic criticism with no reason or positive contribution. Thanks for weighing in.
It's like they are saying, "Aim assist should help with AIMING, not tracking, or acquiring a target, or keeping the crosshair on target, or smoothing movement, or reducing choppiness, or mitigating recoil, or compensating for movement sway or strafing adjustments, but just aiming!"
WTF is aiming then? |
Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
1538
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Posted - 2013.09.11 12:01:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Long Evity wrote:Aim assist should not help track of any sort OR help with hip-fire aiming. It should only help when you're actually trying to AIM. What is the reasoning behind that? Why should hip fire aim be treated different? Ydubbs: This is generally the kind of reasoning on these threads, pretty idiotic criticism with no reason or positive contribution. Thanks for weighing in. It's like they are saying, "Aim assist should help with AIMING, not tracking, or acquiring a target, or keeping the crosshair on target, or smoothing movement, or reducing choppiness, or mitigating recoil, or compensating for movement sway or strafing adjustments, but just aiming!" WTF is aiming then? My biggest concern is AA is to powerfull at distance shots. Hell its easier to kill someone at 40 to 60m with hipfire than with ads. And this seems a bit weired to me....
What weapon are you using? And are you talking about your problem with how YOU are dying or how easy it is for YOU to kill someone? At 60m your AR isn't going to hit very hard, so its redeeming quality will be RoF and to get any decent damage you need to feather the trigger. It is very likely that you are going to have to ADS at that range. Please show me a video where someone is getting kill against reasonably mobile targets at that range.
I'm saying over and over, you can't strafe dodge now like you could before, because of hit detection. I'm running as a logi with 400-450 eHP with some decent regen and still mostly dying from MD now more than anything else (because they can hit around cover). You cannot expect to get in a swarm of gunfire and expect to come out alive anymore. Think of everything before now as broken.
It's like you were in gym class, and up until now the instructor had everyone playing with their left hand. There were a few lefties out there so they were good. Now the rule is lifted, the playing field is equal. |
Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
1539
|
Posted - 2013.09.11 13:39:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:My biggest concern is AA is to powerfull at distance shots. Hell its easier to kill someone at 40 to 60m with hipfire than with ads. And this seems a bit weired to me.... The further you go out, the less amount of assist is given. When I did the experiment myself, I found that it doesn't track as much for longer targets. It pulls but only just a little bit. The closer you are, the more it will pull your weapon but it still doesn't pull it much...even up close.
Which, if you have the grey matter to think about it for just a few seconds, makes sense, because things that are far away don't move as fast as things that are close. |
Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
1539
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:07:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Really? You believe hip-firing needs AA and AA should track? How about you explain THAT reasoning? Taking away all skill in this game and replacing it with a do-all aim system is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Aim Assist should do nothing more then snap you to your target when you actually try to press L1 to aim and nothing more.
What you're suggesting would amount to tracking assist, but just require feathering L1 in a sort of migraine inducing twitchy derping with your rifle. The point of aim assist is to bring DS3 granularity of control in line with what you can do with KBM. If you are suggesting that the input of KBM and DS3 are equal with no AA you don't know what you are talking about.
DS3 = a 1.5 L hybrid engine with automatic transmission
KBM = v8 manual transmission |
Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
1540
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Posted - 2013.09.11 15:10:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:Long Evity wrote:Really? You believe hip-firing needs AA and AA should track? How about you explain THAT reasoning? Taking away all skill in this game and replacing it with a do-all aim system is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Aim Assist should do nothing more then snap you to your target when you actually try to press L1 to aim and nothing more.
What you're suggesting would amount to tracking assist, but just require feathering L1 in a sort of migraine inducing twitchy derping with your rifle. The point of aim assist is to bring DS3 granularity of control in line with what you can do with KBM. If you are suggesting that the input of KBM and DS3 are equal with no AA you don't know what you are talking about. DS3 = a 1.5 L hybrid engine with automatic transmission KBM = v8 manual transmission You need to stop putting words in my mouth. I never even mentioned KB/M as I don't care about there predicament. Only reason they use KB/M is for the advantage it brings over a DS3 controller. Or are EvEtards not able to adapt to a console controller. And yes - it would be abused by people tapping L1 constantly for aim. But what's the difference of what we currently have?
You can't just say "KBM is irrelevant to the conversation". The point I'm making, and the aiming devblog was making was that the point of AA is to equalize KBM and DS3. |
Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
1540
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Posted - 2013.09.11 16:01:00 -
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I'll reinterpret:
King Kobrah wrote:aim assist has ruined the game for me. See below: CCP hasn't designed a new system for the controller + mouse combination that lets me exploit the best of both controls.
I've been using a mouse since chromo and dropped it for a controller because of the built in aimbot. I haven't figured out yet the proper way to re-tune my mouse.
the solution to balancing KBM and controller was not to destroy KBM controls and put an aimbot on the controller. I don't understand how the current aiming works and am gimping myself by not really committing to one or the other.
Now any no name scrub can track your strafing with little to no effort. I still try to microstrafe bullets that are hitting me more because of hit detection...What is the definition of insane again?
what's the point of SP when my starter fits can kill proto caldari logis? QQ. I'm not able to protostomp anymore and I have to use skill instead of buying my match! Not fair!
Also from the top player's thread:
King Kobrah wrote:Best assault controller+mouse user reporting in
KK is admitting to trying to apparently play with the combination of mouse and controller. If he means at the same time I can totally see why he is confused. |
Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
1540
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Posted - 2013.09.11 16:30:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:it doesn't surprise me a no-name with terrible aim would be vehemently defending the built in aimbot.
I dropped the mouse entirely because they ruined the aiming on it, no auto-aim like the controller and the ADS is faster than hipfire turn speed, tell me how that makes sense?
can't wait until CCP realizes they made a mistake, remove the aimbot, and makes aiming a skill again.
You are saying that the turn speed on ADS with the mouse is faster than the turn speed with the mouse with hipfire? |
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