IRL, weapon fire from militia weapons hurt like hell still.

Probably someone with a lot of SP in proficency and the aim assist on, plus the improved hit detection

So i was on my make shift scout with 153 over all health and of course it dies alot.... BUT i get on my heavy with 1047 over all health. My hmg needs to be reloaded so i start on the endless process of reloading it, when a redberry pops up. i switch to my advanced submachine gun. Mind you all that no other redberrys were presently around. The redberry starts to shoot before i started... and it killed my 1047 health heavy in 2 SECONDS. And what mysterious weapon of mass destruction killed me that quick? A D@MN MILITIA ASSAULT RIFLE. IT WAS A COMPLETE STARTER FIT SUIT. I would love to have someone try to explain how it is ive dumped so much d@mn SP into my character but no matter what i do the militia is still better then me? whats the point then to strive for proto gear if that much shield and armor is takin away by a starter rifle

So all this taught me is the game is worse off then i thought. CCP listened to the wrong f*cking people on these boards... they HAD a good game, and now are they are working together to dig the biggest hole they can to bury themselves.... it honestly is to bad.

IRL, weapon fire from militia weapons hurt like hell still.

So i was on my make shift scout with 153 over all health and of course it dies alot.... BUT i get on my heavy with 1047 over all health. My hmg needs to be reloaded so i start on the endless process of reloading it, when a redberry pops up. i switch to my advanced submachine gun. Mind you all that no other redberrys were presently around. The redberry starts to shoot before i started... and it killed my 1047 health heavy in 2 SECONDS. And what mysterious weapon of mass destruction killed me that quick? A D@MN MILITIA ASSAULT RIFLE. IT WAS A COMPLETE STARTER FIT SUIT. I would love to have someone try to explain how it is ive dumped so much d@mn SP into my character but no matter what i do the militia is still better then me? whats the point then to strive for proto gear if that much shield and armor is takin away by a starter rifle

You see that guy that killed you in the report. You don't see the guys that hurt you too. Several times this week I've been in what I thought was 1 v 1 and end up being killed by someone I didn't see.

IRL, weapon fire from militia weapons hurt like hell still.

IRL, weapon fire from militia weapons hurt like hell still.

I love when CPMs come on here and always talk about real life... ok lets talk about real life...

1) holy sh!t nades kill people easily in RL
2) get a friend, on gets AR one gets MD fire at eachother and see which wins in RL
3) Whens the last time you used a Spawn Link in RL?
4) Please relate to me what a true RL forge gun is
5) Where is the closet CRU to your home?

i did that for 2 reasons.

1) A VIDEO GAME ISNT REAL LIFE
2) that had nothing to do with my post, i was wondering how its possible for a starter fit to take out a heavy in any aspect much less a tanked heavy...

So i was on my make shift scout with 153 over all health and of course it dies alot.... BUT i get on my heavy with 1047 over all health. My hmg needs to be reloaded so i start on the endless process of reloading it, when a redberry pops up. i switch to my advanced submachine gun. Mind you all that no other redberrys were presently around. The redberry starts to shoot before i started... and it killed my 1047 health heavy in 2 SECONDS. And what mysterious weapon of mass destruction killed me that quick? A D@MN MILITIA ASSAULT RIFLE. IT WAS A COMPLETE STARTER FIT SUIT. I would love to have someone try to explain how it is ive dumped so much d@mn SP into my character but no matter what i do the militia is still better then me? whats the point then to strive for proto gear if that much shield and armor is takin away by a starter rifle

While this is the case a lot of the time, we've been seeing it in places and engagements where it clearly 1v1 - enclosed spaces etc. enough for me to think its not the third party doing the damage and the starter suit getting the kill.

Base/militia AR (before bonus damage) does 425 DPS. It can pump out over 1500 damage before you have to reload it. If you have a damage mod, any points in the AR spec skill or get any head shots you just increase the damage it can do.
And with hit detection actually detecting the shots this is very much possible.

Edit: Because of clip size difference, the militia does 1564 damage per clip and the basic AR does 2040.

Sure. Let's say you fight a merc that has spent 1 million SP into AR. If they have AR Proficiency 3 (not counting resistances) rounding for simplicity:

Militia Assault Rifle: 34 x 1.09 = 37 damage per round x 48 rounds = 1776 damage per clip. 12.5 rounds per second = 462 HP/s. Just over two seconds to take down a Heavy. Maybe three with resistances. Not even a full clip.

GEK-38: 35.7 x 1.09 = 39 x 60 = 2340 per clip. 12.5 x 39 = 487 HP/s. Not a huge difference but could mean the difference between winning and losing.

Duvolle: 37.4 x 1.09 = 41 x 60 = 2460 per clip. 12.5 x 41 = 512 HP/s. About a bullet and half better per second than militia for a whole lot more money and fitting.

Some combination of hit detection and aim assistance means that more of those rounds are landing on target. A Heavy has a nice fat hit box which makes them easy targets too. I've had plenty of fights in 1.4 where both of us are actively trying to avoid being hit and with quite a bit of success so I disagee with the aimbot claims. If either party ends up reloading then not all shots landed considering the potential damage per clip.

Still, Time-To-Kill is much shorter if you are face to face with your opponent. I think the game is finally working as CCP intended.

Mate, I'm fully skilled in armour and shield, maxed out AR and 5 other weapons and and have been playing since CB. When 26 million sp says something is different and bad, maybe you should put your math away and listen.

Here it is: theoretical dps is always better than actual dps. While your numbers are pretty, they do not describe the mechanics of the issue at hand.

TTK has been taken out back and put down. A scout is made of tisue paper, and heavys are just slightly beafyer than a logi.

Whoever starts shooting first wins, and no, all you "get in cover" idiots are just ignorant, because if you can shoot them you can be shot back, the Aim assist sticky will lock onto just your head or arm just as well as your entire body.

I'm a closed beta vet with only 21 million SP. Probably due to work getting in the way. I guess my opinion isn't worth as much. Can we finish the epeen waving and move on with more analysis?

We have to start with numbers before we can judge what is wrong otherwise we're just talking about squishy feelings. Wolfman kept saying we should wait until 1.4 before suggesting rebalance on anything. He knew changes to hit detection and aim assist would change the game. If a player can apply the majority of the maximum damage of a weapon then TTK is going to be below three seconds for any engagement. I agree that seems short but maybe CCP wanted it to be faster and more brutal than it had been.

So, how do you suggest that we fix it?

Does it need to be fixed?

Should CCP scale back aim assist? Should players miss more than they currently are?

Should AR damage output be reduced? How much? What about other weapons?

How short should TTK be in theory, in an optimal situation? I think this may be the key question. How long should a 1 versus 1 engagement last if the players have no cover? 3 seconds? 5? 10?

I'm sure there are more questions we can ask about the current situation and I encourage it. I've considered doing charts comparing maximum weapon damage at a variety of ranges but CCP still hasn't delivered range data which makes it difficult. I'd like to see if the AR should be the king of all engagements or if we are just meeting in its optimal all the time. I have prototype in SMG and it shreds people in close range too.

Fair enough, stowing epeen. The point I was attempting to make is that the available numbers on the weapons and AA are not the full picture. Lacking the full model, all we can do is speculate and rely on anecdotal evidence.

If a starter fit gets the drop on me I die before I can react. If I get the drop on a starter fit I figure my odds are about 50-50. I'm not the greatest player, but I'm better than that....or was.