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pamuku420tyme
RedBerry Genocide
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Posted - 2013.09.11 19:27:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:bjorn morkai wrote:Well, I mean, are you gonna argue with the son of god? I wouldn't... Might turn me into a fish sandwich.
Elected, selected... the point is, it was a colossal mistake. If by some measure you think that being in full prototype gear grants you immunity from militia weapons... I'm sorry.
Im not worried about the "immunity" im worried how a starter rifle killed a 1000+ hp heavy. whats the point of specing into the things ccp has created and givin to us, when if we do spec into them to crate a better character we get sliced through with no problem by a starter fit that we so called "upgraded" from.
and side note to you mr. cpm stay on subject with the post or dont bother typing here. i asked how it was possible, and said nothing about how i wanted immunity to militia weapons. So way to go there killer u failed twice in 1 run... |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
8346
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Posted - 2013.09.11 19:31:00 -
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pamuku420tyme wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:bjorn morkai wrote:Well, I mean, are you gonna argue with the son of god? I wouldn't... Might turn me into a fish sandwich.
Elected, selected... the point is, it was a colossal mistake. If by some measure you think that being in full prototype gear grants you immunity from militia weapons... I'm sorry. Im not worried about the "immunity" im worried how a starter rifle killed a 1000+ hp heavy. whats the point of specing into the things ccp has created and givin to us, when if we do spec into them to crate a better character we get sliced through with no problem by a starter fit that we so called "upgraded" from. and side note to you mr. cpm stay on subject with the post or dont bother typing here. i asked how it was possible, and said nothing about how i wanted immunity to militia weapons. So way to go there killer u failed twice in 1 run...
The same way a prototype fit kills the same suit, lots of bullets. |
pamuku420tyme
RedBerry Genocide
24
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Posted - 2013.09.11 19:35:00 -
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Break it down barny style here. -1047 total health -militia assault rifle -2 seconds to die from it
so what is the point of ever specing into a single thing if all the stuff i do spec into gets tossed aside by a starter fit? |
Blood Immortal
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.09.11 19:36:00 -
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I have noticed the same thing during this week when nobody is around, in building to reload and I see a basic fit comming, grab my submachine gun and blip- I am dead by militia rifle. I like you have over 1k in hp protection and got so frustrated that I started to run a gek on my suit this week. |
Luk Manag
of Terror TRE GAFFEL
79
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Posted - 2013.09.11 19:37:00 -
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You stop spraying your big gun and out from cover pops a vet with a cooked grenade. 1 Militia locus grenade at your feet = you're almost dead before you know what's happening. |
pamuku420tyme
RedBerry Genocide
24
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Posted - 2013.09.11 19:40:00 -
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Luk Manag wrote:You stop spraying your big gun and out from cover pops a vet with a cooked grenade. 1 Militia locus grenade at your feet = you're almost dead before you know what's happening.
no nade sry continuous fire and steady health decrease no jumps from stray sniper or nade |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
894
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Posted - 2013.09.11 19:46:00 -
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ARs are OP
not because of damage not because of range not because of the weapon
But because they are so freaking accurate. The spread on it is nothing, aiming down the sights makes you a sniper, and no matter how fast you move or jump you can still get dead on accuracy. |
wild wendigo
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
9
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Posted - 2013.09.11 20:06:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:IRL, weapon fire from militia weapons hurt like hell still. Not real life, man if were gonna start all that my mass driver should mirror the hammer grenade launcher hmm? Besides its not nessecarily the miltia part thats the problem, proto gives you an edge, a handicap,, not a guaranteed kill, the problem a heavy who is supoosed to be resistant to small arms fire, can be dropped in to seconds by an ar, there sure as hell is something wrong there!! Bomb suits are not bomb proof. They're just there to make sure they have something to go bury. Resists =/= Immune. Small Arms are what regular non clone infantry use. We're clone soldiers our weaponry is a league above that crap. The standard issue Gauss Rifles given to most Caldari Army infantrymen, for example; are not powerful enough to penetrate our shields or armor and lacks smart targeting. Which is why they had to upgraded the technology to a small railgun. Most of our guns have the safeties turned off, calibur upsized to the point they almost require vehicle mounting, radiation hazards, and deadly amounts of backscatter and pressure waves to kill most regular operators. The HMG weighs a good 300 lbs loaded and is typically something you would have found on aircraft and more designed to shoot other aircraft down.
This last sentence goes along with a post i saw earlier. If in fact the hmg is originally an anti vehicle weapon, it IS severely underpowered by your statement.
To reply to your earlier statement about real life weapons: the Dillon minigun fires the same ammo as the m16/m4 family of weapons. The dillon and m16 by virtue of having longer barrels (allowing powder to burn longer) are much better at longer ranges than the m4. Now the same could be said for a longer barreled rail gun. They operate differently but a longer barrel will add more velocity to a projectile.
As to the statement of CCP going for a level play field, if so the skill system is ultimately pointless simply because there is no reason to skill into anything besides militia gear and the free fits. If this is the situation then the only barrier to proto gear (which in this scenario why bother) should be the isk cost or something beside SP invested because it doesn't matter. |
Flux Raeder
WarRavens League of Infamy
240
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Posted - 2013.09.11 20:14:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Headshots drop a heavy so fast he comes on the forums to post about it :), but seriously anyone considered he could have taken a couple to the face ? Well if we say 90% accuracy, 35 dmg a shot, full auto for 2 secs. 24 +ù 35 = 840 +ù 0.9 = 756 so it is safe to assume he got headshotted yes. However do the same math for 3 secs 37 +ù 35 = 1295 +ù 0.9 = 1165 he still would have fallen less than a second later, therefore I believe when he says 2secs he means 2.8secs, which still too bloody fast!! Thats right people I just pulled maths on all you a!se's!!
Actually even 2 seconds is a very long time on the battlefield in a gunfight, especially without cover. |
Flux Raeder
WarRavens League of Infamy
241
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Posted - 2013.09.11 21:16:00 -
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pamuku420tyme wrote:Break it down barny style here. -1047 total health -militia assault rifle -2 seconds to die from it
so what is the point of ever specing into a single thing if all the stuff i do spec into gets tossed aside by a starter fit? People like ^this^ are goin to be very un-happy when tiercide is rolled out. Long story short, the tiers were a test, it was mainly for testing the game, no game should have a godsuit, I am proto specced and I am fine with that. |
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Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
3574
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Posted - 2013.09.11 21:20:00 -
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They fixed the hit detection. Everyone's bullets are now actually doing damage.
This seems to be finally bringing to light just how stupidly low the kick and dispersion on the Assault Rifle is. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
735
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Posted - 2013.09.11 21:29:00 -
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Here is my question, were you in fact in a proto suit?
If so, why do you only have 1047 HP total?
I have 1012 with no modules.
3 Complex armor plates gives me more than 900 armor, putting my over all HP at 1400+.
I laugh at solo MLT AR scrubs the whole time I'm reloading, then proceed to shove my HMG so far up their wazoo, the bullets fly out of their mouth when I pull the trigger. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
8359
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Posted - 2013.09.11 22:22:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Here is my question, were you in fact in a proto suit?
If so, why do you only have 1047 HP total?
I have 1012 with no modules.
3 Complex armor plates gives me more than 900 armor, putting my over all HP at 1400+.
I laugh at solo MLT AR scrubs the whole time I'm reloading, then proceed to shove my HMG so far up their wazoo, the bullets fly out of their mouth when I pull the trigger.
Oh dear... getting called out. |
pamuku420tyme
RedBerry Genocide
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:47:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Here is my question, were you in fact in a proto suit?
If so, why do you only have 1047 HP total?
I have 1012 with no modules.
3 Complex armor plates gives me more than 900 armor, putting my over all HP at 1400+.
I laugh at solo MLT AR scrubs the whole time I'm reloading, then proceed to shove my HMG so far up their wazoo, the bullets fly out of their mouth when I pull the trigger. Oh dear... getting called out.
Ok... Now with out being stupid and thinking your funny comment fits... Everyone go back to page one and look at what i put... does it say anywhere that i am in a proto suit? NO. so STFU and contribute to the post without having a witty retort. Watching the progression of this post, and knowing DEVS listen to you all... No wonder this game is dying out... and that goes for the "funny guy" CPM as well |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
607
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:51:00 -
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Take a chill pill and check the guns' stats. |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
607
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:52:00 -
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Militia does not mean necessarily utter trash |
21yrOld Knight
High-Damage
109
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:58:00 -
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SUCKS TO SUCK. * Drives past pamukes house hitting his mailbox with a baseball bat * |
Shadow Of-Chaos
Club Midnight
79
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Posted - 2013.09.12 00:32:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
The HMG weighs a good 300 lbs loaded and is typically something you would have found on aircraft and more designed to shoot other aircraft down.
so why does an AR typically beat it in battle? as an anti aircraft weapon, its range should be very long, instead of expecting a pilot to fly 20 meters from an opposing craft before firing it lol.
wild wendigo wrote:
To reply to your earlier statement about real life weapons: the Dillon minigun fires the same ammo as the m16/m4 family of weapons. The dillon and m16 by virtue of having longer barrels (allowing powder to burn longer) are much better at longer ranges than the m4. Now the same could be said for a longer barreled rail gun. They operate differently but a longer barrel will add more velocity to a projectile.
the M4/M16 family of rifles fires the 5.56x45 cartridge. the GE/dillon m134 fires the 7.62x51 NATO cartridge, or .308 if you prefer american designations. big difference. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
736
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Posted - 2013.09.12 00:38:00 -
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pamuku420tyme wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Here is my question, were you in fact in a proto suit?
If so, why do you only have 1047 HP total?
I have 1012 with no modules.
3 Complex armor plates gives me more than 900 armor, putting my over all HP at 1400+.
I laugh at solo MLT AR scrubs the whole time I'm reloading, then proceed to shove my HMG so far up their wazoo, the bullets fly out of their mouth when I pull the trigger. Oh dear... getting called out. Ok... Now with out being stupid and thinking your funny comment fits... Everyone go back to page one and look at what i put... does it say anywhere that i am in a proto suit? NO. so STFU and contribute to the post without having a witty retort. Watching the progression of this post, and knowing DEVS listen to you all... No wonder this game is dying out... and that goes for the "funny guy" CPM as well Well, Let me correct myself then.
I have 1012 HP in any Heavy Suit from Standard up to Prototype before fitting any modules.
You need to train your Shield and Armor Upgrades skills, and if you are using a Militia Heavy Suit, well, don't. At least spec into Standard, or get the Dren. |
wild wendigo
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
9
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Posted - 2013.09.12 01:48:00 -
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Shadow Of-Chaos wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
The HMG weighs a good 300 lbs loaded and is typically something you would have found on aircraft and more designed to shoot other aircraft down.
so why does an AR typically beat it in battle? as an anti aircraft weapon, its range should be very long, instead of expecting a pilot to fly 20 meters from an opposing craft before firing it lol. wild wendigo wrote:
To reply to your earlier statement about real life weapons: the Dillon minigun fires the same ammo as the m16/m4 family of weapons. The dillon and m16 by virtue of having longer barrels (allowing powder to burn longer) are much better at longer ranges than the m4. Now the same could be said for a longer barreled rail gun. They operate differently but a longer barrel will add more velocity to a projectile.
the M4/M16 family of rifles fires the 5.56x45 cartridge. the GE/dillon m134 fires the 7.62x51 NATO cartridge, or .308 if you prefer american designations. big difference.
Yer correct, that is my error. Thanks for letting me know. I'm trying to remember what minigun that was built or was in testing i got it backwards with. Oh well what i get for trying to make a cogent argument when i need to be asleep. Lol. |
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Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
890
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Posted - 2013.09.12 02:20:00 -
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Because. By the math, it is supposed to do that.
34*750/60= 425. That's the DPS of a mil AR, with zero proficencies, or weapon mods.
Drops heavies in roughly 2 and a half seconds.
Is it balanced? **** no.
Is that how it is? Hell yes.
Should it be like that? **** no.
Will it be changed? **** no.
This game has been completely catered to the AR, so any change to it, or anything else to bring TTK back up to pre 1.4 levels will instantly get torn to shreds by the community. So, I suggest you better get your AR skills up, otherwise your gonna be quite poor |
KalOfTheRathi
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
700
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Posted - 2013.09.12 02:36:00 -
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pamuku420tyme wrote: -- snip explanation of Heavy insta death -- Welcome to 1.4!
Down it the DUST the only truth is that few things will work. Work somewhat, yes they will do that. But work properly, nah. Doesn't sell AUR items or Boosters.
1.4 included the now famous Aim Assist. That appears to have been implemented based on 1.0 and its many, many horrible failings. For better or worse the game has moved on. While the 1.0 Aim Assist is now dropped like a stone into the rest of 1.4 and death under 2 seconds is normal. For most, not just Heavies.
Try it! Quit aiming! Point in the general direction and what everyone die! It is fun, casual and requires little SP. Which, if of itself seems odd to me, as needing exponential amounts of SP is the basis of the Grinder That Is DUST. If you have a friend that has a PS3, no cash, and is a decent FPS player tell them about DUST. Have them turn on Aim Assist and murder away.
It is almost like the bizarre Battle Finder decision that produced possibly the dumbest matchmaking I have every even heard of. Apparently isolated Devs solving problems that have little requirements, verification or comprehension is the order of the day for CCP/Shanghai. Aim Assist renders a significant amount of SP wasted and much that is not required. Funny, isn't it. No, probably not for you.
Don't worry about it just being an AR killing you. SMGs, Scrambler anythings and many pistols can produce similar amount of damage and you will die just as fast. And it will be Fun! Making profit is based on using Free/Cheap equipment and suits.
Are you looking forward to 1.5 yet? Why not? |
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