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calvin b
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:03:00 -
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CCP has not heard our cries on our problems. For heavies its lack of suits, lack of heavy weapons. It is also the poor job the HMG does, from poor range to bullets hitting everything but there intended target. The heavy in general is out classed and is a joke currently on the battlefield.
For the Scout the same is for you, your suits lack any chance of survivability in today's combat environment. You lack the necessary power and speed to be proficient in your class. Lack of suit choices also limit your choices of play style as well. The scout is a paper doll playing in a glass factory.
I am calling all scouts and heavies to go on strike. I ask that you play Dust but refuse to use the Heavy or Scout class in general. Run BPO starter fits and use the weapon of your choice. If you feel that you have not been given a voice I ask that you sign this petition that you will not use a heavy or scout until CCP fixes the problem.
Let them see the numbers drop on these classes. If you feel the Heavy or the Scout needs to be fixed and given a proper role please sign your name. If you feel the suit is fine then please do not leave your name.
Until CCP acknowledges that the scout and the Heavy have problems I ask that you boycott the use of these class's and run another class or BPO starter fit. Once CCP sees that only Logi and Assault is being used they may get the point.
1. Calvin B (Heavy and HMG user) |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
157
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:06:00 -
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I already do there is no point in running a scout suit right now (although the scout was more of a fun fit for me) |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1453
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:17:00 -
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I stopped running light frames in 1.4.
Until we get points for scanning, or some kind of equipment-oriented bonus for scouts, they will be useless. |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
523
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:19:00 -
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I'm already tired of complaining...
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1285325#post1285325 |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
442
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:20:00 -
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Here comes useless boycott thread #174916491 |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
932
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:22:00 -
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But how will I scan!(and also avoid being scanned)
Wait...aren't we mortal enemies!? Every time I sneak up on you fat jerks you turn around and HMG my face off!
Doesn't sound like someone I'd want to form no alliance with. |
ARF 1049
The Phoenix Federation
46
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:23:00 -
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... I don't run heavy anymore but I used to have advanced forge guns and HMG's along with my scouts, shotguns, shield, armor, jeeps, biotics, nova knives, assault rifles, scrambler pistols, logistics tools, sniper rifles SMG's, logi, advanced jeep gear.... And on and on. Skill points got you a lot farther back then >_>
But I agree scouts and heavies need serious TLC... Or aim assist needs to be removed. People were fine without it! |
ARF 1049
The Phoenix Federation
46
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:26:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:But how will I scan!(and also avoid being scanned)
Wait...aren't we mortal enemies!? Every time I sneak up on you fat jerks you turn around and HMG my face off!
Doesn't sound like someone I'd want to form no alliance with.
Every time they are turned around we knife there fat backs across the floor or use a shotgun. And honestly until 1.4 the heavies big enemy was the Militia LAV sooo... |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
934
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:29:00 -
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ARF 1049 wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:But how will I scan!(and also avoid being scanned)
Wait...aren't we mortal enemies!? Every time I sneak up on you fat jerks you turn around and HMG my face off!
Doesn't sound like someone I'd want to form no alliance with. Every time they are turned around we knife there fat backs across the floor or use a shotgun. And honestly until 1.4 the heavies big enemy was the Militia LAV sooo... I wish I could knife, just shotgun for me.
I think LAVs being nerfed is something we can all be happy about...maybe we aren't so different...after all... |
calvin b
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
517
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:29:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:Here comes useless boycott thread #174916491
TY Capt Obvious. I know there is past forums, but apparently CCP was not paying attention. So I am renewing the effort. Like all protest it takes more than one sit in to get you point across. Sometimes you have to plan marches , sit ins, boycotts, and speak your point until your voice cracks and your legs buckle under the pressure but you will not yield, you will stay strong. Let our voices unite as one and that we shall overcome. |
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calvin b
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
517
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:31:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:But how will I scan!(and also avoid being scanned)
Wait...aren't we mortal enemies!? Every time I sneak up on you fat jerks you turn around and HMG my face off!
Doesn't sound like someone I'd want to form no alliance with.
You were the one being sneaky, why didn't you come to one of us and introduce yourself. I would have said hello, but I do recall a knife being stuck in my back once |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
356
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:32:00 -
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If I may, while my personal scouting experience comes from using the free suits marketing keep giving us, would be happy if the current scout suit was left paper thin, but given buffs back to speed, profile, scan radius and 2eq slots, but you loose your side arm slot
Then we give a "welterweight" brawler suit or assasin suit, or whatever name you like, with a little more health and bonuses to damage at short range as well??
I would prefer if you were to respond with civility in mind!! |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
157
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:40:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:If I may, while my personal scouting experience comes from using the free suits marketing keep giving us, would be happy if the current scout suit was left paper thin, but given buffs back to speed, profile, scan radius and 2eq slots, but you loose your side arm slot
Then we give a "welterweight" brawler suit or assasin suit, or whatever name you like, with a little more health and bonuses to damage at short range as well??
I would prefer if you were to respond with civility in mind!!
As it seem there is a limitation on how much speed they can give a suit without screwing hitdetection completely and scouts seem to be on the edge. So in order to make scouts (feel) faster they must make every other suit slower.
They should give scouts some sort of harrassing skills like the min logi hacking bonus. Instead to remove the light weapon slot I would rather see a suit with two siedarms :). A buff to scan radius is badly needed especially for the gallente scout who is all about scouting.
I agree on the low health scouts should be fragile and fast and stealthy compared to all other suits. Unfortunately they are just fragile in the current state of the game... |
Chibi Andy
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
491
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:43:00 -
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actually i havnt touched dust for a few days due to the heavies dying in 2 seconds against an AR user.
and if CCP doesnt bring out the rest of the suits for the heavies, scouts and heavy weapons, well frankly CCP can take the HMG and shove it up their a-s-s (might get banned but what the hell, they had it coming, since its been far too long since they did anything for the scouts and heavies)
everything is pretty much catered to the assault class, but nothing else we can do, if CCP wants to be like that, they can do it, since its their game. |
calvin b
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
517
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:44:00 -
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I cant speak for Scouts. I ask scouts to join heavies in protest because I feel we share a common goal. That is goal is better equipment that better suits our roles.
I as a heavy would love to see the HMG with at least a 20M increase. At least another racial suit also a suit bonus that is actually beneficial. I would like to see a 5% damage resistant per level. Something that would allow the heavy to play its role and the ability to do it job. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
356
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:47:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:If I may, while my personal scouting experience comes from using the free suits marketing keep giving us, would be happy if the current scout suit was left paper thin, but given buffs back to speed, profile, scan radius and 2eq slots, but you loose your side arm slot
Then we give a "welterweight" brawler suit or assasin suit, or whatever name you like, with a little more health and bonuses to damage at short range as well??
I would prefer if you were to respond with civility in mind!! As it seem there is a limitation on how much speed they can give a suit without screwing hitdetection completely and scouts seem to be on the edge. So in order to make scouts (feel) faster they must make every other suit slower. They should give scouts some sort of harrassing skills like the min logi hacking bonus. Instead to remove the light weapon slot I would rather see a suit with two siedarms :). A buff to scan radius is badly needed especially for the gallente scout who is all about scouting. I agree on the low health scouts should be fragile and fast and stealthy compared to all other suits. Unfortunately they are just fragile in the current state of the game...
True but if make the othef suits any slower your gonna feel like running through custard, im sure they will figure it out, the unreal engine has alot of user community support more so than other engines.
2 sidearms for a light and sidearm, seems fair enough, especially when the gallante pistol is released!! What about the brawler suit, you like it? |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
157
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:47:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I cant speak for Scouts. I ask scouts to join heavies in protest because I feel we share a common goal. That is goal is better equipment that better suits our roles.
I as a heavy would love to see the HMG with at least a 20M increase. At least another racial suit also a suit bonus that is actually beneficial. I would like to see a 5% damage resistant per level. Something that would allow the heavy to play its role and the ability to do it job.
I fell your pain you heavies have been left alone for quite some time no new racial suits no weaponry :/. Also I fear the moment when you get all of this ^^ |
Chibi Andy
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
492
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:49:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I cant speak for Scouts. I ask scouts to join heavies in protest because I feel we share a common goal. That is goal is better equipment that better suits our roles.
I as a heavy would love to see the HMG with at least a 20M increase. At least another racial suit also a suit bonus that is actually beneficial. I would like to see a 5% damage resistant per level. Something that would allow the heavy to play its role and the ability to do it job.
yeah i hate being shot to bits by an AR thats 80m away from me, my HMG can't even reach that far. and then trying to run for cover is also bad now that the AA sticks to me as if my hit box wasnt big enough |
Ruthless Lee
The Eliminators
59
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:56:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:If I may, while my personal scouting experience comes from using the free suits marketing keep giving us, would you be happy if the current scout suit was left paper thin, but given buffs back to speed, profile, scan radius and 2eq slots, but you loose your side arm slot
Then we give a "welterweight" brawler suit or assasin suit, or whatever name you like, with a little more health and bonuses to damage at short range as well??
I would prefer if you were to respond with civility in mind!! Edit forgot the "You", makes it sound like I would be happy, oops
I'd rather give up my grenade slot for the second equipment slot, personally. If I wanted to run one weapon, I'd just go logi |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
356
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Posted - 2013.09.10 13:58:00 -
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Ruthless Lee wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:If I may, while my personal scouting experience comes from using the free suits marketing keep giving us, would you be happy if the current scout suit was left paper thin, but given buffs back to speed, profile, scan radius and 2eq slots, but you loose your side arm slot
Then we give a "welterweight" brawler suit or assasin suit, or whatever name you like, with a little more health and bonuses to damage at short range as well??
I would prefer if you were to respond with civility in mind!! Edit forgot the "You", makes it sound like I would be happy, oops I'd rather give up my grenade slot for the second equipment slot, personally. If I wanted to run one weapon, I'd just go logi
Fair enough, but I would have said a contact grenade is right up a scouts street! Will edit orginal to give two sidearms |
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Ruthless Lee
The Eliminators
60
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Posted - 2013.09.10 14:08:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Ruthless Lee wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:If I may, while my personal scouting experience comes from using the free suits marketing keep giving us, would you be happy if the current scout suit was left paper thin, but given buffs back to speed, profile, scan radius and 2eq slots, but you loose your side arm slot
Then we give a "welterweight" brawler suit or assasin suit, or whatever name you like, with a little more health and bonuses to damage at short range as well??
I would prefer if you were to respond with civility in mind!! Edit forgot the "You", makes it sound like I would be happy, oops I'd rather give up my grenade slot for the second equipment slot, personally. If I wanted to run one weapon, I'd just go logi Fair enough, but I would have said a contact grenade is right up a scouts street! Will edit orginal to give two sidearms
Hey, you know ... just my preference. I'm sure others would disagree. And I don't care too much about the scout suit's pitiful health ... but we need something to make up for it. It used to be speed, but that's much less useful now. I think the second equipment slot and a scan radius/profile buff would be a big boost, myself.
And the problem with losing a light slot for a second sidearm slot is that it'll wipe out the shotgun scouts. I'm running more sidearm builds (SP + SMG or FP) than shotty lately, but some guys are straight up shotgun ninjas, and I'd hate to see those taken out of the equation...
Unless you're saying the recon scouts would have two sidearms plus two equipment slots, while the brawler scout suits would still be able to rock the shotty, but only have one equipment slot..? |
Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
290
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Posted - 2013.09.10 14:09:00 -
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I'll sign, but just like the flaylock and Mass driver, I'll use 'em through thick and thin. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
357
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Posted - 2013.09.10 14:11:00 -
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Ruthless Lee wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Ruthless Lee wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:If I may, while my personal scouting experience comes from using the free suits marketing keep giving us, would you be happy if the current scout suit was left paper thin, but given buffs back to speed, profile, scan radius and 2eq slots, but you loose your side arm slot
Then we give a "welterweight" brawler suit or assasin suit, or whatever name you like, with a little more health and bonuses to damage at short range as well??
I would prefer if you were to respond with civility in mind!! Edit forgot the "You", makes it sound like I would be happy, oops I'd rather give up my grenade slot for the second equipment slot, personally. If I wanted to run one weapon, I'd just go logi Fair enough, but I would have said a contact grenade is right up a scouts street! Will edit orginal to give two sidearms Hey, you know ... just my preference. I'm sure others would disagree. And I don't care too much about the scout suit's pitiful health ... but we need something to make up for it. It used to be speed, but that's much less useful now. I think the second equipment slot and a scan radius/profile buff would be a big boost, myself. And the problem with losing a light slot for a second sidearm slot is that it'll wipe out the shotgun scouts. I'm running more sidearm builds (SP + SMG) than shotty lately, but some guys are straight up shotgun ninjas, and I'd hate to see those taken out of the equation... Unless you're saying the recon scouts would have two sidearms plus two equipment slots, while the brawler scout suits would still be able to rock the shotty, but only have one equipment slot..? That my friend is exactly what Im saying, sorry ill try to make this clearer, would you be cool with that?
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Ruthless Lee
The Eliminators
60
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Posted - 2013.09.10 14:12:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Ruthless Lee wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Ruthless Lee wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:If I may, while my personal scouting experience comes from using the free suits marketing keep giving us, would you be happy if the current scout suit was left paper thin, but given buffs back to speed, profile, scan radius and 2eq slots, but you loose your side arm slot
Then we give a "welterweight" brawler suit or assasin suit, or whatever name you like, with a little more health and bonuses to damage at short range as well??
I would prefer if you were to respond with civility in mind!! Edit forgot the "You", makes it sound like I would be happy, oops I'd rather give up my grenade slot for the second equipment slot, personally. If I wanted to run one weapon, I'd just go logi Fair enough, but I would have said a contact grenade is right up a scouts street! Will edit orginal to give two sidearms Hey, you know ... just my preference. I'm sure others would disagree. And I don't care too much about the scout suit's pitiful health ... but we need something to make up for it. It used to be speed, but that's much less useful now. I think the second equipment slot and a scan radius/profile buff would be a big boost, myself. And the problem with losing a light slot for a second sidearm slot is that it'll wipe out the shotgun scouts. I'm running more sidearm builds (SP + SMG) than shotty lately, but some guys are straight up shotgun ninjas, and I'd hate to see those taken out of the equation... Unless you're saying the recon scouts would have two sidearms plus two equipment slots, while the brawler scout suits would still be able to rock the shotty, but only have one equipment slot..? That my friend is exactly what Im saying, sorry ill try to make this clearer, would you be cool with that?
Yeah, I like it, personally. And you were probably plenty clear ... I just haven't had enough coffee
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Lightning xVx
Diamond-Dogs
165
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Posted - 2013.09.10 14:16:00 -
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So you want people that specced ALL of their SP into a specific role and not play it, with a high chance of lowering our KDR, ISK and Dignity because you want us to go on strike..................................................................................................................................................No, Thanks.
Now if CCP were to say Scouts are fine and their not making ANY changes to it at all. THEN I would go on strike. |
Valeryy Igunen
Nexus Marines
17
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Posted - 2013.09.10 14:18:00 -
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Lightning xVx wrote:So you want people that specced ALL of their SP into a specific role and not play it, with a high chance of lowering our KDR, ISK and Dignity because you want us to go on strike..................................................................................................................................................No, Thanks.
Now if CCP were to say Scouts are fine and their not making ANY changes to it at all. THEN I would go on strike.
scouts are fine, you just play them wrong |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
360
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Posted - 2013.09.10 14:18:00 -
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Ruthless Lee wrote:Yeah, I like it, personally. And you were probably plenty clear ... I just haven't had enough coffee
Fair enough, I might have had to much, , but yeah it seems a bit out of kilter to use a scout suit for cqc, but there most definitely be a suit for it, im just not sure which sounds better for its role, assasin or brawler, brawler sounds more like a heavy to me!! |
calvin b
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
517
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Posted - 2013.09.10 14:19:00 -
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Lightning xVx wrote:So you want people that specced ALL of their SP into a specific role and not play it, with a high chance of lowering our KDR, ISK and Dignity because you want us to go on strike..................................................................................................................................................No, Thanks.
Now if CCP were to say Scouts are fine and their not making ANY changes to it at all. THEN I would go on strike.
I can only ask that you voice your opinion. But the best way to get a point across is thru unity. Its your choice to do as you wish but if you want change you must be the change you want. |
Lightning xVx
Diamond-Dogs
165
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Posted - 2013.09.10 14:20:00 -
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Valeryy Igunen wrote:Lightning xVx wrote:So you want people that specced ALL of their SP into a specific role and not play it, with a high chance of lowering our KDR, ISK and Dignity because you want us to go on strike..................................................................................................................................................No, Thanks.
Now if CCP were to say Scouts are fine and their not making ANY changes to it at all. THEN I would go on strike. scouts are fine, you just play them wrong
I do? And what do you run? |
Ruthless Lee
The Eliminators
60
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Posted - 2013.09.10 14:22:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Ruthless Lee wrote:Yeah, I like it, personally. And you were probably plenty clear ... I just haven't had enough coffee Fair enough, I might have had to much, , but yeah it seems a bit out of kilter to use a scout suit for cqc, but there most definitely be a suit for it, im just not sure which sounds better for its role, assasin or brawler, brawler sounds more like a heavy to me!!
Haha, I like assassin quite a bit... |
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