But how will I scan!(and also avoid being scanned)

Wait...aren't we mortal enemies!? Every time I sneak up on you fat jerks you turn around and HMG my face off!

Doesn't sound like someone I'd want to form no alliance with.

Every time they are turned around we knife there fat backs across the floor or use a shotgun. And honestly until 1.4 the heavies big enemy was the Militia LAV sooo...

Here comes useless boycott thread #174916491

But how will I scan!(and also avoid being scanned)

Wait...aren't we mortal enemies!? Every time I sneak up on you fat jerks you turn around and HMG my face off!

Doesn't sound like someone I'd want to form no alliance with.

If I may, while my personal scouting experience comes from using the free suits marketing keep giving us, would be happy if the current scout suit was left paper thin, but given buffs back to speed, profile, scan radius and 2eq slots, but you loose your side arm slot

Then we give a "welterweight" brawler suit or assasin suit, or whatever name you like, with a little more health and bonuses to damage at short range as well??

I would prefer if you were to respond with civility in mind!!

As it seem there is a limitation on how much speed they can give a suit without screwing hitdetection completely and scouts seem to be on the edge. So in order to make scouts (feel) faster they must make every other suit slower.

They should give scouts some sort of harrassing skills like the min logi hacking bonus. Instead to remove the light weapon slot I would rather see a suit with two siedarms :). A buff to scan radius is badly needed especially for the gallente scout who is all about scouting.

I agree on the low health scouts should be fragile and fast and stealthy compared to all other suits. Unfortunately they are just fragile in the current state of the game...

I cant speak for Scouts. I ask scouts to join heavies in protest because I feel we share a common goal. That is goal is better equipment that better suits our roles.

I as a heavy would love to see the HMG with at least a 20M increase. At least another racial suit also a suit bonus that is actually beneficial. I would like to see a 5% damage resistant per level. Something that would allow the heavy to play its role and the ability to do it job.

I cant speak for Scouts. I ask scouts to join heavies in protest because I feel we share a common goal. That is goal is better equipment that better suits our roles.

I as a heavy would love to see the HMG with at least a 20M increase. At least another racial suit also a suit bonus that is actually beneficial. I would like to see a 5% damage resistant per level. Something that would allow the heavy to play its role and the ability to do it job.

If I may, while my personal scouting experience comes from using the free suits marketing keep giving us, would you be happy if the current scout suit was left paper thin, but given buffs back to speed, profile, scan radius and 2eq slots, but you loose your side arm slot

Then we give a "welterweight" brawler suit or assasin suit, or whatever name you like, with a little more health and bonuses to damage at short range as well??

I would prefer if you were to respond with civility in mind!!
Edit forgot the "You", makes it sound like I would be happy, oops

I'd rather give up my grenade slot for the second equipment slot, personally. If I wanted to run one weapon, I'd just go logi

Fair enough, but I would have said a contact grenade is right up a scouts street!
Will edit orginal to give two sidearms

Hey, you know ... just my preference. I'm sure others would disagree. And I don't care too much about the scout suit's pitiful health ... but we need something to make up for it. It used to be speed, but that's much less useful now. I think the second equipment slot and a scan radius/profile buff would be a big boost, myself.

And the problem with losing a light slot for a second sidearm slot is that it'll wipe out the shotgun scouts. I'm running more sidearm builds (SP + SMG) than shotty lately, but some guys are straight up shotgun ninjas, and I'd hate to see those taken out of the equation...

Unless you're saying the recon scouts would have two sidearms plus two equipment slots, while the brawler scout suits would still be able to rock the shotty, but only have one equipment slot..?

That my friend is exactly what Im saying, sorry ill try to make this clearer, would you be cool with that?

So you want people that specced ALL of their SP into a specific role and not play it, with a high chance of lowering our KDR, ISK and Dignity because you want us to go on strike..................................................................................................................................................No, Thanks.

Now if CCP were to say Scouts are fine and their not making ANY changes to it at all. THEN I would go on strike.

Yeah, I like it, personally. And you were probably plenty clear ... I just haven't had enough coffee

So you want people that specced ALL of their SP into a specific role and not play it, with a high chance of lowering our KDR, ISK and Dignity because you want us to go on strike..................................................................................................................................................No, Thanks.

Now if CCP were to say Scouts are fine and their not making ANY changes to it at all. THEN I would go on strike.

scouts are fine, you just play them wrong

Fair enough, I might have had to much, , but yeah it seems a bit out of kilter to use a scout suit for cqc, but there most definitely be a suit for it, im just not sure which sounds better for its role, assasin or brawler, brawler sounds more like a heavy to me!!

I do? And what do you run?

If I may, while my personal scouting experience comes from using the free suits marketing keep giving us, would you be happy if the current scout suit was left paper thin, but given buffs back to speed, profile, scan radius and 2eq slots, but you swap your light slot for 2 side arm slots

Then we give a "welterweight" assasin suit, with a little more health and bonuses to damage at short range as well and prehaps regen, it keeps its light weapon slot, but doesn't get the extra speed and equipment slots the scout does.

Good Idea?

I would prefer if you were to respond with civility in mind!!
Edit forgot the "You", makes it sound like I would be happy, oops

Shotgun scout with active scanner, if you run to the "main battle" you are useless, its your task to kill those who try to flank your team mates. The scout is also perfect for hacking and defending objectives.

Oh really? But that's how YOU play, not how I play. So you stating how I run is wrong shows that you either run different suits (other than Scout) or you just limit your own self to that play style. If I can hold a KDR above 4.50 (solely as a Scout) that runs in battle, still manages to make quota of pay (not plateau on ISK) and still hold my own against other Proto's. Then I guess Im doing something right. You perhaps on the other hand, not so much.

PS: And on top of that I rarely run in Squads and if I do run in a squad it's with 1 of my 4 Corp members.

Oh really? But that's how YOU play, not how I play. So you stating how I run is wrong shows that you either run different suits (other than Scout) or you just limit your own self to that play style. If I can hold a KDR above 4.50 (solely as a Scout) that runs in battle, still manages to make quota of pay (not plateau on ISK) and still hold my own against other Proto's. Then I guess Im doing something right. You perhaps on the other hand, not so much.

PS: And on top of that I rarely run in Squads and if I do run in a squad it's with 1 of my 4 Corp members.

I havent used my scout almost at all, I never trained profile dampening, and i hate the idea that i would need to train it to be useful at all.

I would give up my granade slot for another equipment slot tho, but i think one of the main things scouts need is a much bigger jumping higth, or some sort of micro burst jump pack, because there is allot of head higth terain it would be great to just jump over, or use to get into good sniping positions.

IMO from running Scouts since closed BETA. Here's a list I think would be viable:

1.) Smaller Hit Box

2.) A little bit more health over all not much, but enough to get by.

3.) Better Scan, Range and Dampening.

4.) Higher Stamina and Slight Speed Boost. (NOT A HUGE BUFF)

5.) The only class that should be able to mantle up objects as high as 8-10 feet.

6.) Suits that give the option for either 2 equipment slots (w/ No Grenade) or just the suit we have now. (1 grenade and 1 slot)

7.) Adaptive Camo like Old Snake from Metal Gear Solid 4. (NO ACTIVE CAMO) cough* cough* Sheathe......

8.) Boost on any item that is related to Biotics.

I'm a Heavy HMG and I refuse to sign. It takes skill to properly use this loadout, you are unworthy!

7, hmm, but then all the scouts spend their entire time, facing a wall so their eyes dont give em away!! But hmm I like it, maybe I need to play mgs4 again!!

CCP has not heard our cries on our problems. For heavies its lack of suits, lack of heavy weapons. It is also the poor job the HMG does, from poor range to bullets hitting everything but there intended target. The heavy in general is out classed and is a joke currently on the battlefield.

For the Scout the same is for you, your suits lack any chance of survivability in today's combat environment. You lack the necessary power and speed to be proficient in your class. Lack of suit choices also limit your choices of play style as well. The scout is a paper doll playing in a glass factory.

I am calling all scouts and heavies to go on strike. I ask that you play Dust but refuse to use the Heavy or Scout class in general. Run BPO starter fits and use the weapon of your choice. If you feel that you have not been given a voice I ask that you sign this petition that you will not use a heavy or scout until CCP fixes the problem.

Let them see the numbers drop on these classes. If you feel the Heavy or the Scout needs to be fixed and given a proper role please sign your name. If you feel the suit is fine then please do not leave your name.

Until CCP acknowledges that the scout and the Heavy have problems I ask that you boycott the use of these class's and run another class or BPO starter fit. Once CCP sees that only Logi and Assault is being used they may get the point.

1. Calvin B (Heavy and HMG user)

I'm a Heavy HMG and I refuse to sign. It takes skill to properly use this loadout, you are unworthy!

... No

Still doing quite well with my Heavy and HMG. Your description of the HMG is GREATLY exaggerated, which leads me to believe the problem lies more with someone's gun game. By means though, please do stop playing your heavy. One less whiny, entitled Heavy player in the game can only be a good thing.

I will however agree with scouts having a hard time at the moment. I don't know how you fix it, but they do need some help.

If you have been here as long as I have then you would know that there is a problem with heavies. For one we have only one racial suit, the next obvious is the racial bonus. But all this could be possibly fixed if new racial suits were released. Also if you think your gun game is great as it is I will take you 1 on 1 and we will see who is the best. I do not have hard feeling to other heavies but once you think you are superior is the day I dig your grave.

How will you be digging my grave if your rounds are hitting everything but their intended target? That means I only need only a few of mine to hit you. I suppose you could shoot at an object nearby and those rounds that miss your intended target may decide to hit me.

You have come on these forums to make a silly argument, and your answer to my negative opinion of said argument is to challenge me to a 1v1? How will this 1v1 work. Will we HMG at 30 paces? No, that would take forever according to most of our "heavy" players. Better make it 20 paces. What about the other 30 players I assume will be in the match? Will we be making a gentlemen's agreement to ignore the fact that we are playing in a "team based" game?

I think more than a few of your fellow corp-mates can vouch for me considering D-Uni is one of your largest providers of recruits. Heavy suits and HMG's reside somewhere in the middle of the Dust food chain. That is a fine place to be. Be thankful that it is so easy to set yourself apart as being good when you aren't considered OP.

And comments like this is why heavies will not be taken serious.

CCP has not heard our cries on our problems. For heavies its lack of suits, lack of heavy weapons. It is also the poor job the HMG does, from poor range to bullets hitting everything but there intended target. The heavy in general is out classed and is a joke currently on the battlefield.

For the Scout the same is for you, your suits lack any chance of survivability in today's combat environment. You lack the necessary power and speed to be proficient in your class. Lack of suit choices also limit your choices of play style as well. The scout is a paper doll playing in a glass factory.

I am calling all scouts and heavies to go on strike. I ask that you play Dust but refuse to use the Heavy or Scout class in general. Run BPO starter fits and use the weapon of your choice. If you feel that you have not been given a voice I ask that you sign this petition that you will not use a heavy or scout until CCP fixes the problem.

Let them see the numbers drop on these classes. If you feel the Heavy or the Scout needs to be fixed and given a proper role please sign your name. If you feel the suit is fine then please do not leave your name.

Until CCP acknowledges that the scout and the Heavy have problems I ask that you boycott the use of these class's and run another class or BPO starter fit. Once CCP sees that only Logi and Assault is being used they may get the point.

1. Calvin B (Heavy and HMG user)

Not so the reason I say Adaptive Camo as opposed to Active is because you can still see the shape of your enemy and its not OP. Now with the new lights/shadowing and particle effects. It's strong but definitely not OP.

Shotgun Scout here.

I feel your frustration OP, but I can't imagine that boycotting the our gimped suit(s) will accelerate the fix timeline.
Scout rebalance is already in the works; last we heard from Wolfman, we'll see it deployed in 1.6 (possibly 1.5).

Big changes -- the kind needed to balance light and heavy suits against mediums -- can't be implemented via hotfix.

Then again, the Devs could always address via nerfbat the other side of the imbalance equation :-)
^ That'd be an effort Scouts could get behind, as we patiently await our Christmas buff.

- Shotty GoBang

I already do there is no point in running a scout suit right now (although the scout was more of a fun fit for me)

Same here., Been using assault + laser rifle.

My proto minny doesnt stand a chance anymore.(PLUS I WANT a amarr scout >..>)

-Maps are to open and usually offer little cover
-Aim assist , while not a bad idea, is too strong making dodging with a scout impossible.
-Proto active scanners are way to acessible and easily equipped (well not on any suit,but logis. And logis are pretty damn common anyways{And most of them now are gallante allowing easier fitting for equipment}, so yeah easy to equip)
Active scanners are almost Impossible to avoid for gallante scouts and pretty sure impossible to evade while being a minnie...

So yeah.If im gonan be detected,i might as well run 800 armor and a Powerful Light weapon....

Isnt the electronics skill enough to avoid enough but the hi gh prescesion scanner!!

reluctantly signed.

Id love to see heavy suits be really competitive in PC without resorting forge sniping.

So you want people that specced ALL of their SP into a specific role and not play it, with a high chance of lowering our KDR, ISK and Dignity because you want us to go on strike..................................................................................................................................................No, Thanks.

Now if CCP were to say Scouts are fine and their not making ANY changes to it at all. THEN I would go on strike.

WHat? no
I have PRoto Prof dampening and proto Min, and unless i TRY and equip 2 PROTO PROF DAMPENERS i get detected nevertheless. So not only i have ONLY 2 low slots, i must use them BOTH to avoid being detected... yeah seems fun....

Shotty, could I get your personal opinion on the assasin and scout suits I suggested!!

If I may, while my personal scouting experience comes from using the free suits marketing keep giving us, would you be happy if the current scout suit was left paper thin, but given buffs back to speed, profile, scan radius and 2eq slots, but you swap your light slot for 2 side arm slots

Then we give a "welterweight" assasin suit, with a little more health and bonuses to damage at short range as well and prehaps regen, it keeps its light weapon slot, but doesn't get the extra speed and equipment slots the scout does.

Good Idea?

I would prefer if you were to respond with civility in mind!!
Edit forgot the "You", makes it sound like I would be happy, oops

Good luck out there fatboy, see you on the battlefield